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Mixodorian posted:Why have white rear end cities like Seattle and Portland made Columbus day into Indigenous people day, but New York hasn't? New York is really big
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I wish the history in school wasn't so white washed and that it focused on more than just a white centric point of view. Also I'm 90% sure that my best friend growing up voted for Trump. I haven't spoken to him in a while and now I don't want to because I know I'll be angry with him.
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Nov 10, 2016 08:21
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Gaunab posted:I wish the history in school wasn't so white washed and that it focused on more than just a white centric point of view. I do too. I talked briefly about this in the misogynoir thread but basically regular history teachers will keep choosing Great Men, Great Chain of Progress narrative because it's easy, you can cover the standardized test material and you won't get fired for hurting white feelings. They're not right to do so but it's the path of least resistance for people with increasingly little job security. Textbook authors have no excuse tho.
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Nov 10, 2016 08:23
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:New York is really big It is also significantly less white than Seattle and Portland. What's Bill De Blasio doing? Too busy parading his black family around to show "he's one of the good ones"? Gaunab posted:I wish the history in school wasn't so white washed and that it focused on more than just a white centric point of view. Do kids learn about John Brown? I came up in SC and know I didn't. He's a good role model that would be more relatable to the little white children than MLK or Malcolm X.
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Nov 10, 2016 08:25
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Man KM and gf both got their own black threads. I gotta find some corner of blackness I can make my own. The Black Dinosaur Herbivore Thread: I Voted Giant Meteor What The gently caress Is This poo poo?
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Nov 10, 2016 08:29
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Mixodorian posted:Do kids learn about John Brown? I came up in SC and know I didn't. He's a good role model that would be more relatable to the little white children than MLK or Malcolm X. Anecdotally, in a Wisconsin private Catholic school I did get taught about him in both middle and high school, we were taught that he was a well-meaning crazy person who failed to incite a great slave rebellion but served as one of the final pushes into the Civil War. They went over his dying quote and framed him as a martyr. Overall I agree with that assessment historically. He was crazy, but he was also good and right.
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Nov 10, 2016 08:29
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I learned a weird version of John Brown I guess. I learned that he did a thing people thought was good, but most people thought that anyway and he just kinda went too far. But we also skipped over a lot of the civil war and basically went from signing the declaration to WW2, because Hitler is a historical villain without much nuance. Or at least I thought so.
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Nov 10, 2016 08:32
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Who knew that careful study of Hitler's rise to power would ever come in handy
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Nov 10, 2016 08:34
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Eej posted:Who knew that careful study of Hitler's rise to power would ever come in handy The difference is Germany was hosed over by the Treaty of Versailles, but the rural whites here caused themselves to be hosed over by being purposefully isolationists, denying black people housing and jobs in their poo poo towns, and then those factory owners they were so loyal to worked in concert with the Republicans that played on their racism to move their factories overseas, leaving them with nothing but their dick in their hands. But besides that, the same.
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Nov 10, 2016 08:38
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John Brown should be considered a national hero, and I think we should be pushing the white people that are sympathetic to do dirty work for us. I think some would. I really don't feel like bailing on the US. I've had worse experiences with Indians, Arabs, and Asians in New York than white people and that represents a good chunk of the world. My father is from Ghana so I could just get citizenship there, but I like making money in New York and the variety of women. I'm definitely feeling numb after Trump winning. I know the bar can be lowered in my mind, but my soul feels like it's already as low as it can get.
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Nov 10, 2016 08:46
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negromancer posted:The difference is Germany was hosed over by the Treaty of Versailles, but the rural whites here caused themselves to be hosed over by being purposefully isolationists, denying black people housing and jobs in their poo poo towns, and then those factory owners they were so loyal to worked in concert with the Republicans that played on their racism to move their factories overseas, leaving them with nothing but their dick in their hands. If I might engage in a bit of retrospection, I would humbly argue the real difference is in terms of scale. Take away the specifics of a bad treaty versus bad economic decisions, the real difference is that Hitler's main boogeyman, Jewish people, really wasn't that much of their overall population in relative terms - about 0.75% of their overall population. Hitler was free to bullshit people because of ignorance, but him saying the Jews were the problem is like Republicans saying Syrian refugees are the problem - it's almost comically absurd. But in America, black people, Hispanics, Muslims, etc. are a huge, visible chunk of the population. The racism is already there swirling about. Many white people live in sheltered segregated communities but with the internet and modern media it's easy to see them anyway. Essentially, I'd argue Germany was actually a case of economic anxiety being morphed into racial hatred. They already had racial hatred but it wasn't a primary motivation until the fascists came in. With America racism is the primary motivator and the economic anxiety is the aggravating factor. It's a reversal of causes, albeit the same outcome.
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Humble question to noble thread, does a Trump presidency frighten you? Not in a vague cultural sense, but as a real world threat.
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Nov 10, 2016 08:49
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...Looking at the exit polls, for whatever they're worth, Clinton won those with a household income below $50,000, while Trump won those above. Which means the problem is the white middle class and upper class. ...Eff the bourgeoisie. narm00 fucked around with this message at 08:59 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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Nov 10, 2016 08:56
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negromancer posted:The difference is Germany was hosed over by the Treaty of Versailles, but the rural whites here caused themselves to be hosed over by being purposefully isolationists, denying black people housing and jobs in their poo poo towns, and then those factory owners they were so loyal to worked in concert with the Republicans that played on their racism to move their factories overseas, leaving them with nothing but their dick in their hands. Nah, your average schmucks were just told they were being unfairly punished by a small group of elites who wound up running the economy into the ground out of sheer spite. Add in the left squabbling over bullshit purity tests failing to stop a rising fascist movement playing the dual fiddles of economic woes and racism and welp. I definately tortured that analogy a bit/alot, but meh. It seems appropriate. If you want to discuss it, the WW2 thread is actually really good with a minimum of whining wheraboos. Edit: narm00 posted:...Looking at the exit polls, for whatever they're worth, Clinton won those with a household income below $50,000, while Trump won those above. A disproportinate amount of those votes are likely to be from PoC given they're more likely to fall into those income brackets. 
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Nov 10, 2016 09:01
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doverhog posted:Humble question to noble thread, does a Trump presidency frighten you? Not in a vague cultural sense, but as a real world threat. No, not at all. It aggravates me, but the democrats let the republicans disenfranchise black and brown voters so thems the brakes. Obama also didn't really do much for us w/r/t getting hunted by cops besides calling Baltimore protesters thugs. Maybe if he did a better job people would've been more enthusiastic about Hillary. At least we won't have to worry about starting poo poo with Iran/Russia like we would've with Hillary.
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Nov 10, 2016 09:02
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Mixodorian posted:No, not at all. It aggravates me, but the democrats let the republicans disenfranchise black and brown voters so thems the brakes. Obama also didn't really do much for us w/r/t getting hunted by cops besides calling Baltimore protesters thugs. Maybe if he did a better job people would've been more enthusiastic about Hillary. Trump is planning to pull out of the Iran deal and go back to sanction status quo within the first 100 days dude. All the talk of how Hillary is more of a hawk was garbage.
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Nov 10, 2016 09:02
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Lightning Knight posted:Trump is planning to pull out of the Iran deal and go back to sanction status quo within the first 100 days dude. All the talk of how Hillary is more of a hawk was garbage. I didn't see that in his 100 day plan, and I haven't heard him mention it in a while. I'm thinking Putin told him "no". edit: I have no doubt Trump will kill plenty of muslims, but I don't think he will go against Putin. loving over Iran would be going against Putin in a big way. Mixodorian fucked around with this message at 09:11 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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Nov 10, 2016 09:09
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Truly the thread of the thousand cropped anime porn avs.
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I am wondering how much the post-facts society has exacerbated the problems that led to Trump getting elected. Basically, the Information Age has brought about information overload, making it increasingly difficult to distinguish facts from lies, and causing communities to retreat into like-minded bubbles where the facts they're exposed to all suit their worldview. At that point, politics becomes a matter of tone rather than policy, because any policy, no matter how deranged, can create a vast, immersive reality where it looks like it works. What matters is its emotional content, whether it recognises your hurt and your pride. Racism didn't just spontaneously come into being alongside the Internet, but I can't help but wonder if this was part of what contributed to rural/deindustrialised white radicalisation - it didn't matter that Clinton's policies offered them objectively more help than Trump's, because in the age of modern communications technology, there is no such thing as objectivity - what mattered was that Clinton's milder tone means she felt comfortable with their brutal, horrifying status quo to them, while Trump's outrage felt appropriate to their situation. Insane racism won not only because of America's history of insane racism, but because the only one of the two competing ideologies that recognised and provided a cause for their pain was the insanely racist one, and because the post-facts society helpfully provided them with a reality where, say, turfing out black people wasn't racist or evil.
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Nov 10, 2016 10:16
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doverhog posted:Humble question to noble thread, does a Trump presidency frighten you? Not in a vague cultural sense, but as a real world threat. Some of my friends back home have had pretty wretched interactions yesterday, and a lot of other immigrants here in Sweden have told me about their family in the states. They're worried. My sister was stalked few weeks back by some creep with a Gadsden flag waving from their truck while running. She goes to school at Hampshire which is comedically left. I'm...keeping in there.
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Nov 10, 2016 10:31
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doverhog posted:Humble question to noble thread, does a Trump presidency frighten you? Not in a vague cultural sense, but as a real world threat. Yes. I am an immigrant. My family's been here since the 80s, but now I have to wonder if some of my aunts and cousins who haven't gotten their citizenship yet are going to be deported because some red faced chunk of midwest mayo wanted to play at being a brownshirt.
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Nov 10, 2016 10:34
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Sorry white people are so poo poo. My suggestion is to follow the examples of the black panthers and get armed. Hopefully it never gets to the point where you have to violently defend poo poo, but it's becoming readily apparent that PoC in America are living in an environment that is openly hostile to their very existence. That sucks hard.
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Nov 10, 2016 10:51
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:New York is really big I suspect a big contributing factor is that it's pretty Italian, which is also why, I think, San Francisco hasn't done the right thing yet either. Speaking of holidays and John Brown, I've enjoyed celebrating his birthday for a few years now, though I think next year's celebration will be even more bleak than usual.
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Nov 10, 2016 11:36
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doverhog posted:Humble question to noble thread, does a Trump presidency frighten you? Not in a vague cultural sense, but as a real world threat. I live in Arkansas and the KKK is getting their dream candidate. That should tell you what I worry about.
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Nov 10, 2016 11:48
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doverhog posted:Humble question to noble thread, does a Trump presidency frighten you? Not in a vague cultural sense, but as a real world threat. Yes. I may be pretty ok. But I know people that probably won't be. Plus there is still the very real fear of getting killed with no one caring about your death.
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blackguy32 posted:Yes. I may be pretty ok. But I know people that probably won't be. Plus there is still the very real fear of getting killed with no one caring about your death. Hate crimes definitely will spike.
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doverhog posted:Humble question to noble thread, does a Trump presidency frighten you? Not in a vague cultural sense, but as a real world threat. Imagine a Trump response to a major terror attack.
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Nov 10, 2016 12:38
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Trump's definitely gonna try to start a war or three.
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Nov 10, 2016 12:43
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Martha Stewart Undying posted:Hate crimes definitely will spike. Just look at what happened after the Brexit vote in the UK, which is a different, but still comparable situation: 
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Nov 10, 2016 12:43
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Goddammit Marietta City School's teachers are proving to be terrible. Day started with them dragging down the protestors and one made a snide comment about none of the protestor being mostly non-white. And white people wonder why PoC distrust us.
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Martha Stewart Undying posted:Trump's definitely gonna try to start a war or three. My brother in law who lives in China is excited because Trump is going to cut Japan, South Korea and the Philippines loose. Now no-one will be able to stop the rise of Mighty China 
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Nov 10, 2016 13:19
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Samantha Bee's monologue yesterday seems pretty on point https://youtu.be/s1SaD-gSZO4
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Nov 10, 2016 13:20
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Trump's gonna cut one loose alright.
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E_Motion posted:Just look at what happened after the Brexit vote in the UK, which is a different, but still comparable situation: and if its anything like the Brexit hate crime spike it'll be downplayed as a bunch of sensitive minorities looking to start problems with innocent white people because they didn't like how they voted
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Nevvy Z posted:Holy poo poo I hope any of you are reading the election thread and reporting the incredible amounts of shittery going on because I'm out. I reported a shitload of people yesterday. I only know of one who was probated and it was for all of one day. negromancer posted:I've actually never been in GBS or FYAD, but if D&D is the highest level of discourse people on this board are capable of, we are definitely turbofucked and I'm glad I'm leaving this shithole. I have a feeling that the vast majority of the bullshit going on right now are sour grapes BernieBros who think they won because Hilary lost. They'll disappear just as quickly as they appeared when they get bored of dropping their vile bullshit. The 'election' thread was their cool kids clubhouse yesterday- but seems to be calming down today. I have never seen upwards of 90% of those people post in D&D before, and at least a quarter of them should have been probated almost immediately.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Man KM and gf both got their own black threads. I gotta find some corner of blackness I can make my own. Black creatives? Black film nerds? Black Didius Falco fans?
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Well, GBS and /pol have invaded D&D. What in the actual gently caress happened with white people?
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WampaLord posted:Well, GBS and /pol have invaded D&D. The multi-generational campaign to brainwash poor whites into working in the interest of rich whites worked?
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