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pocket pool posted:Let's not gloss over the fact that the hysteria was completely warranted. In many ways yes, but racial issues will set people off. Framing of issues is incredibly important, which mobs aren't very good at doing, understandably.
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Bishounen Bonanza posted:If you really thinks it was all just racism, then that means 3/4 of whites and about 1/3 of Hispanics are just evil racists. If that's true then might as well give up the fight. Racism is a bit more nuanced than you make it sound here. It isn't like every person who is racist is some cartoony KKK member out trying to lynch black people.
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we've run the numbers and this was 69% motivated by racism, 420% motivated by sexism, and 28008% motivated by economic anxiety turn that last number upside on your calculator now!!
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So, just to be clear: Trump talks about the economy : This election was about the economy. Trump is racist and issues anti-Semitic dogwhistles: This election was not about bigotry.
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afeelgoodpoop posted:Dylan Roof claimed in his own writing that the racial hysteria surrounding trayvon martin is what set him off. This post.
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im glad as hell americans voted a thin-skinned narcissist to rule over the atomic bomb decision. basically a really good prank call could set off world war 3-4
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Kilroy posted:A handful of posters in USPOL != the Democratic party. This 100% Kilroy is on fire 🔥
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afeelgoodpoop posted:In many ways yes, but racial issues will set people off. Framing of issues is incredibly important, which mobs aren't very good at doing, understandably. You're starting to make the argument that white people are inherently unstable which is an odd path to start going down.
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Sharkopath posted:You're starting to make the argument that white people are inherently unstable which is an odd path to start going down. How about "people are inherently unstable, and pointing their rage at minorities works."
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i wonder how much of this "the election wasn't about race ablooooooo" bullshit is honestly from a part of people's brains where they can't reconcile that their friends, coworkers and parents are actually racists it's way easier to say that my parents voted for trump because of ~~~the economy~~~ so i don't have to see them at christmas and tell them that they're complicit in racism Arsenic Lupin posted:How about "people are inherently unstable, and pointing their rage at minorities works." this is undeniably true basically since the dawn of time
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Sharkopath posted:You're starting to make the argument that white people are inherently unstable which is an odd path to start going down. ....wellll...........
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Bad Decision Dino posted:"Oh man, I voted for two terms of Obama but I could really go for some HATE CRIMES right now." I think it is fair to say that there have been some racial events between 2012 and now that could certainly have changed how some voters look at race issues in America. Again, racism is a bit more nuanced then you are portraying it to be.
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I still never got an an answer to why any of you voted Trump that wasn't 'hillary' btw. What the hell does the actual end game of your vote look like? You got the dude, tell me what you're going to get out of it.
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Aware that this is just me extrapolating the points of your posts but: Racial hysteria is real and a very serious concern -> It's a concern because when white people are afraid of imminent racial conflict it is natural for them to commit heinous violence against minorities -> therefore we should be very careful when discussing race.
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Armani posted:This is the literal definition of a personal opinion. You may not want to believe it, but it's true. People largely don't care about stuff that doesn't affect them. Yeah, there's a real problem out there right now, but a lot of people aren't going to care because that's just how they are. Sometimes it's a defense mechanism, a way to avoid going nuts over a world of poo poo. Sometimes it's casual racism or classism or just plain old ignorance. Sometimes it's just a matter of having higher priorities like getting through the next shift without getting fired or complained about or assaulted or whatever. It sucks, but it's what I've seen.
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afeelgoodpoop posted:Dylan Roof claimed in his own writing that the racial hysteria surrounding trayvon martin is what set him off. Please, tell us more how black people are at fault for all the violence brought against them. pocket pool posted:Let's not gloss over the fact that the hysteria was completely warranted. If he didn't afeelgoodpoop sure is.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:So, just to be clear: Trump is a bigoted orange clown man : Hillary is a well documented progressive Conclusion: White people love them some hate crimes.
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Armani posted:This is the literal definition of a personal opinion. you know you've lost track of the game when your argument is "get out and talk to REAL people, nerd" *flexes so hard that shirt shoots off like a pressurized bullet*
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Sharkopath posted:Aware that this is just me extrapolating the points of your posts but: Racial hysteria is real and a very serious concern -> It's a concern because when white people are afraid of imminent racial conflict it is natural for them to commit heinous violence against minorities -> therefore we should be very careful when discussing race. Basically arguing this for real. 
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Zelder posted:wait has the narrative shifted to "this had nothing to do with race/gender" Nobody is saying that racial and gender issues aren't important. People are saying it had nothing to do with that because racists and sexists aren't the reason Trump won. The reason Trump won is because Hillary voters did not turn out. Democrats do not have to appeal to racists and sexists to win now. That is not what's happening. They just have to choose a better candidate that can turn out their base better. Racists and sexists do not matter and will only become more and more irrelevant as the years go by.
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Sharkopath posted:This post. I hope that dude posts like an even bigger victim of his own whiteness for the next couple of years while he runs out of things and people to blame lmao maybe the other dude can run a fund
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Arsenic Lupin posted:So, just to be clear: It's about bigotry to the extent that it confirmed that people are not bothered by bigotry if they smell benefits for themselves, which speaks of a lack of empathy born of depravity. It's not about bigotry in the sense that Trump actively attracted new armies of voters because he was openly bigoted. The vocal bigots were organized into their GOP enclaves way back. It also showed that lots of Democrats are depressed enough that even open bigotry by the other party isn't enough to make them active, so there needs to be another component to their campaigning. Hillary narrowly beat Trump in arithmetics, but against any other GOP candidate, even Romney, her loss of millions of voters would have made her figures look loving ridiculous.
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Bad Decision Dino posted:Trump has a
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It looks like Chief Justice Lowtax overturned exmarx's Donate To RAINN Act so expect a bunch of TOXX bans soon.
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Sharkopath posted:You're starting to make the argument that white people are inherently unstable which is an odd path to start going down. Their's been a few in the other direction, though I think only at police? Their are probably hundreds of thousands of paranoid meth addicted white men in this country so sure, you can look at it like that.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:FTFY. The plan is that we're gonna' make it great, what more do you need, huh?
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Queering Wheel posted:Nobody is saying that racial and gender issues aren't important. People are saying it had nothing to do with that because racists and sexists aren't the reason Trump won. The reason Trump won is because Hillary voters did not turn out. steinrokkan posted:It's about bigotry to the extent that it confirmed that people are not bothered by bigotry if they smell benefits for themselves, which speaks of a lack of empathy born of depravity. It's not about bigotry in the sense that Trump actively attracted new armies of voters because he was openly bigoted. The vocal bigots were organized into their GOP enclaves way back. It also showed that lots of Democrats are depressed enough that even open bigotry by the other party isn't enough to make them active. Arsenic Lupin posted:FTFY.
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also serious question does trumps plan of "i'm going to fix everything, trust me, we're going to do great, it'll be great" legit count as focusing on economic issues. I'm not trying to be sarcastic, i feel like of all trump's plans, that's always been the vaguest and most straight up "wish fulfillment" of the things he says at rallies/in policies. Is that really all it takes to make the argument that he reached out to white america's economic concerns?
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1-800-DOCTORB posted:It looks like Chief Justice Lowtax overturned exmarx's Donate To RAINN Act so expect a bunch of TOXX bans soon. Where'd that happen?
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Race, gender, and status were used by the establishment as a way to rile up voters and get them to vote their way. We've all been hoodwinked.
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afeelgoodpoop posted:Their's been a few in the other direction, though I think only at police? I'm convinced, we need to criminalize whiteness. (This is a joke, it is using ironic humor to poke fun at the oddness of the sentiment that because all white people can be incredibly dangerous it is best to not do anything to set them off or make them uncomfortable; Does not actually espouse a view that I believe all white people are criminals)
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Zelder posted:we've run the numbers and this was 69% motivated by racism, 420% motivated by sexism, and 28008% motivated by economic anxiety I tried on my phone calculator but the screen flipped 
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Where'd that happen? Lowtax posted:Okay, gonna have to side with tradition and rules on this one, and unfortunately going to have to go over a moderator's head, which I absolutely do not ever like doing.
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1-800-DOCTORB posted:It looks like Chief Justice Lowtax overturned exmarx's Donate To RAINN Act so expect a bunch of TOXX bans soon. All part of the "Let's Make Something Awful Again!" campaign. Can't have money going to victims of rape when a campaign to bring money into this site is running.
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Queering Wheel posted:Nobody is saying that racial and gender issues aren't important. People are saying it had nothing to do with that because racists and sexists aren't the reason Trump won. The reason Trump won is because Hillary voters did not turn out. -Hillary ran a poo poo campaign and was unlucky to be on the tail end of people finally giving up on neoliberalism as it failed for two decades. -Trump's campaign was racist and sexist to the core and the people that voted for him either are massively bigoted or at best don't give a poo poo about being being horrible. There were enough of these people to almost get to Romney levels of support which is a large percentage of the country. These aren't mutually exclusive. Hillary can be a gently caress up that threw this away but don't act like she just had to beat some nebulous score in order to win. Trump people came out and voted for a racist campaign and that's a big problem. If even less lovely people voted for trump (I'll give the Republican voters SOME credit that they all didn't turn out) she would have won. Zelder posted:also serious question does trumps plan of "i'm going to fix everything, trust me, we're going to do great, it'll be great" legit count as focusing on economic issues. I'm not trying to be sarcastic, i feel like of all trump's plans, that's always been the vaguest and most straight up "wish fulfillment" of the things he says at rallies/in policies. Is that really all it takes to make the argument that he reached out to white america's economic concerns? The presidential election is about feeling which Hillary and her team forgot. Trump's entire campaign was bullshit top to bottom but he had a easy to digest soundbite which at least somewhat resonated. Hillary was never able to control the narrative of her own campaign so even when she talked about economics it was lost since she had actual plans and stuff which wasn't exciting. Sadly what Trump said is enough to get people on board. People remember Obama's Change and Hope but little else about his campaign stuff.
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Zelder posted:also serious question does trumps plan of "i'm going to fix everything, trust me, we're going to do great, it'll be great" legit count as focusing on economic issues. I'm not trying to be sarcastic, i feel like of all trump's plans, that's always been the vaguest and most straight up "wish fulfillment" of the things he says at rallies/in policies. Is that really all it takes to make the argument that he reached out to white america's economic concerns? Shillary's response was 'look at my website if you want to know my views' and that's even less. The only noteworthy policy soundbite for them was that shes gonna put coal out of business and get green jobs. That woman was with a team of people huffing their own farts.
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Bad Decision Dino posted:"Oh man, I voted for two terms of Obama but I could really go for some HATE CRIMES right now." Voting for Obama does not make it impossible to be a bigot, you loving moron.
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Waffles Inc. posted:we actually don't care about that The number of people that voted in this election was abysmal. We need to get more people to vote. We definitely need to connect with more voters or else voting numbers are gonna continue to drop.
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