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Mirthless posted:Bernie really can't run at 79, that's loving nuts, but otherwise I am 100% on board with this mrit and mirthless, switching allegiance lol
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Incrementalism was always absolutely loving retarded, and anybody who claims it's realistic should never be taken seriously ever again. Incrementalism is what you do when your elections and platforms are a negotiation between the populists who need to be somewhat satisfied and the elites who hold actual power. But the Democrat elites are now all on fire or have surrendered and the populists are the only guys with a plan, so that's all gone in the trash can.
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resar posted:turns out telling poor people they are privileged and therefor can get hosed pisses them off. This should be branded permanently on every neoliberal hack involved in the 2016 campaign.
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Karl Barks posted:mrit and mirthless, switching allegiance lol I was always more on the socialist side than the neolib side, I was just too committed to the party to not support Hillary when she was clearly going to be the candidate. I've been a rabid Democrat for as long as I've been in politics. I'm not doing that poo poo anymore. FWIW I still blame Bernie for losing the primary, he made some of The Dumbest decisions early in the primary, kind of like how Hillary made some of The Dumbest decisions late in the general. The whole year's been a shitshow for Dem campaigning. Both candidates were just groping around in the dark while Trump had a clear strategy he never stopped executing. We all mocked him because it was a bad strategy, without considering we didn't have any strategy at all.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Incrementalism was always absolutely loving retarded, and anybody who claims it's realistic should never be taken seriously ever again. "We don't need to repeal McCarran-Ferguson, because ACA will have a strong public option to act as competition." "We had to ditch the public option to get to 60 votes, but we'll add it in later as we improve ACA over time." FAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRTTTTTTTTTT
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guts and bolts posted:You can think that this sucks or not but it is empirical loving fact - yep, you still need white guys to win an election, like i think HRC's team believed they would capture 100% of the exact same demographic split that Obama did, and while he didn't dominate the white demographics, he held fairly steady. HRC got way less of the non-white turnout that may have been there for Obama, and they completely punted on trying to hold water with white people. but it's easier to blame everybody for being -ist than it is to try and figure out what you actually hosed-up. resar posted:turns out telling poor people they are privileged and therefor can get hosed pisses them off. that's a really excellent point, and i think it kind of glosses over the fact that wealth has waaaayyyy more to do with privilege than race, in many cases. like sure, a dirt poor white guy might not face the same institutional racism as a dirt poor person of color, but if the city they both live in has a water table that's literally toxic and there's no jobs to be found within a 50 mile radius that aren't part-time mcjobs, the white guy's overall quality of life isn't much different. likewise, an affluent white person and an affluent person of color both have much more in common with each other than our current racial climate would like to indicate. IIRC there was a study that found that in very nearly 0% of all killings where a police officer murders a person of color, did the person of color earn more than $40k/yr. Jay-Z and Beyoncé don't face the same risks that a poor colored couple deals with on a daily basis.
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Just lmao @ people suggesting more Democrats to run as the answer to this issue. Did you loving jabronis not learn anything this week? The Democratic Party is over; it's a trash organization that cannot be reformed and it needs to be put in the dumpster where it belongs. We need a new party of the people.
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Karl Barks posted:this is it. this is the best tweet about the election lol
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putting johnny 290s post ittJonny 290 posted:um
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Also, telling people they are privileged is generally a really stupid way to engage them. Most people just don't believe in their own privilege and never will, no matter what evidence you show them.
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Mirthless posted:I was always more on the socialist side than the neolib side, I was just too committed to the party to not support Hillary when she was clearly going to be the candidate. I've been a rabid Democrat for as long as I've been in politics. I'm not doing that poo poo anymore. All the "mistakes" Bernie made were only considered mistakes because of the idiotic Neoliberal consensus, which couldn't countenance an insurgent politics after they had replaced oxygen with their own farts. It's clear now why liberals were always harping on about why platforms and policies don't matter, because they never loving cared about it themselves. They treated politics like a loving game, but it's always blood & guts. Now hundreds of thousands of people are going to die needlessly because of that institutional hubris and ideological failure.
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I remember when Hillfolk posters here would go the sandersforpresident subreddit to copy/paste poo poo over there to make sanders supporters look crazy and racist, when i pointed out that half of those posts were from newly created accounts that had no activity other than one or two crazy posts, they started to blur out their names under the pretense of not 'doxxing' those posters, lmao. This is, of course, a microcosm of what the media did when they assassinated Bernie's character indirectly by calling his supporters sexists and racists. There's your autopsy. Edit: Oh yes, and you guys told us you didn't need BernieBro votes and HRC will win in a landslide victory against the orange oompah loopmah. Mister Fister has issued a correction as of 20:37 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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Mister Fister posted:I remember when Hillfolk posters here would go the sandersforpresident subreddit to copy/paste poo poo over there to make sanders supporters look crazy and racist, when i pointed out that half of those posts were from newly created accounts that had no activity other than one or two crazy posts, they started to blur out their names under the pretense of not 'doxxing' those posters, lmao. Those posts were part of a little-known smear campaign orchestrated by /pol/
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:All the "mistakes" Bernie made were only considered mistakes because of the idiotic Neoliberal consensus, which couldn't countenance an insurgent politics after they had replaced oxygen with their own farts. It's clear now why liberals were always harping on about why platforms and policies don't matter, because they never loving cared about it themselves. They treated politics like a loving game, but it's always blood & guts. Now hundreds of thousands of people are going to die needlessly because of that institutional hubris and ideological failure. Look, it's a mistake to not campaign in multiple states when you know you need them to win, whether you're Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton. I'm not saying he should have run the social progressivism campaign Hillary did but it should be pretty obvious he should have done things differently if he wanted to win the primary. He also only had one god drat stump speech despite running for like eight months.  diversify!It was frustrating to see him make these mistakes (ones Hillary prophetically made in 08, lol) b/c I wanted him to win the primary and I think he had a real shot right up until ST2
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Mirthless posted:I was always more on the socialist side than the neolib side, I was just too committed to the party to not support Hillary when she was clearly going to be the candidate. I've been a rabid Democrat for as long as I've been in politics. I'm not doing that poo poo anymore. I wouldn't say blame him, but given how he was the candidate who started his campaign by standing basically alone on a lawn, he probably should have started way earlier than he did. Though maybe then he would have just been forgotten?
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The Kingfish posted:Those posts were part of a little-known smear campaign orchestrated by /pol/ Hey, as long as it fed their narrative that BernieBros were in fact terrible people and their votes shouldn't count, who cares, right?
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LmaoTheKid posted:Are we allowed to Bernie thread style shitpost because I already posted it but the Bernie running gif applies here too. Posting a gif isn't Bernie thread style shitposting. Posting 100 gifs in 11 second intervals is Bernie thread style shitposting.
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bump_fn posted:putting johnny 290s post itt This works even better when you look at the original post he quotes. Goddamn Jonny.
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Mirthless posted:Look, it's a mistake to not campaign in multiple states when you know you need them to win, whether you're Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton. I'm not saying he should have run the social progressivism campaign Hillary did but it should be pretty obvious he should have done things differently if he wanted to win the primary. Bernie's one speech would have done much better than Hillary's zero speeches in the general fwiw
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Mirthless posted:Look, it's a mistake to not campaign in multiple states when you know you need them to win, whether you're Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton. I'm not saying he should have run the social progressivism campaign Hillary did but it should be pretty obvious he should have done things differently if he wanted to win the primary. He didn't campaign in a lot of those states because the Clinton machine had a stranglehold on their electoral politics, which is what the polling made clear.
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yeah god forbid the guy that campaigned on actually fixing healthcare go stump for a ballot proposition that would have lowered drug prices
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Speaking of the Bernie thread it is definitely bullshit that Bernie toxxers got banned before he even officially lost but Hillary toxxers are getting a pass. Free Matey.
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Thoguh posted:Speaking of the Bernie thread it is definitely bullshit that Bernie toxxers got banned before he even officially lost but Hillary toxxers are getting a pass. don't worry we all got banned in the end
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Mirthless posted:I was always more on the socialist side than the neolib side, I was just too committed to the party to not support Hillary when she was clearly going to be the candidate. I've been a rabid Democrat for as long as I've been in politics. I'm not doing that poo poo anymore. If only Bernie was a power hungry sociopath with the foresight to campaign in places like South Carolina several decades ago.
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Fullhouse posted:Bernie's one speech would have done much better than Hillary's zero speeches in the general fwiw No disagreement here. If Hillary had as many stump speeches in the general as she did in the primary she would have done better in the general, too. Pener Kropoopkin posted:He didn't campaign in a lot of those states because the Clinton machine had a stranglehold on their electoral politics, which is what the polling made clear. It was terrible optics and cost him minority votes in other states, though. He was never going to win the south but pulling out - and doing so openly - made it pretty easy for his opponents to paint him as not caring about minority voters. It was a dumb criticism, but it worked.
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Mister Fister posted:If only Bernie was a power hungry sociopath with the foresight to campaign in places like South Carolina several decades ago.
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Mirthless posted:It was terrible optics and cost him minority votes in other states, though. He was never going to win the south but pulling out - and doing so openly - made it pretty easy for his opponents to paint him as not caring about minority voters. It was a dumb criticism, but it worked. Talking about "optics" is exactly the loving problem. Jesus Tapdancing Goddamn Christ.
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Homework Explainer posted:it's funny to see the same people who called me a paid kremlin stooge mysteriously disappear from this forum after the election I think the first fight i ever got into was with Obdicut. I want to see him answer for his crimes.
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Homework Explainer posted:it's funny to see the same people who called me a paid kremlin stooge mysteriously disappear from this forum after the election they're huddling in dnd and huffing their own farts still
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Mirthless posted:Bernie really can't run at 79, that's loving nuts, but otherwise I am 100% on board with this I think he could if he ran with a clear, decent pick for VP in mind. A Bernie/Warren ticket would pretty easily calm fears about him dying in office, wouldn't it? It's like, worst case scenario you get the first woman president. Mirthless posted:FWIW I still blame Bernie for losing the primary, he made some of The Dumbest decisions early in the primary, kind of like how Hillary made some of The Dumbest decisions late in the general. The whole year's been a shitshow for Dem campaigning. Both candidates were just groping around in the dark while Trump had a clear strategy he never stopped executing. We all mocked him because it was a bad strategy, without considering we didn't have any strategy at all. Oh, he done hosed up, and a ton of his supporters hosed up getting his message out too. I find it hard to blame him too much though - he was a goddamn independent running in the Dem primary who clearly before this election never had any intent for running for President. We shouldn't have needed him, and I think he did well considering the circumstances. All that said, I'm not sure he should run again. I think if he's willing to take a leadership role these next four years we can find someone that's even better instead of relying on a candidate who lost a primary 4 years previously, and I think he'd probably be all for doing exactly that.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Talking about "optics" is exactly the loving problem. Jesus Tapdancing Goddamn Christ. I'm hoping that this election causes the death of people talking about politics as if they are totally removed observers taking part in a big meta discussion. Like, poor people have TVs to and can hear you talking about them.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Talking about "optics" is exactly the loving problem. Jesus Tapdancing Goddamn Christ. Dude, I don't really know what your objection to what I'm saying is, and this one is the most confusing Bernie had nothing to lose by changing minor things about his campaign to appeal to a wider audience. He just didn't do it. It's possible to criticize the way he campaigned without criticizing him, the candidate. He lost the primary for a lot of reasons, not campaigning in the south and not doing more to bring minority voters into the big tent were big ones.
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