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Womyn Capote posted:Evil will always win, because good is dumb Well Hilary lost by being dumb so this emphatically does not check out
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Freaking Crumbum posted:I don't mean like she's a nobel prize laureate who should know better; I mean if you're a rational person and you have a media platform that you can leverage to try and accomplish goals that you personally believe in, you might want to figure out how to do so without stomping all over your own dick. if you're only there to entertain people that's cool, but you can still do that in a way that doesn't gently caress up stuff you might actually want accomplished. california is a bastion of smug retards who live in their own echo chamber,
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Grand Theft Autobot posted:So, now that gun control as a national issue is completely dead, can liberals/Democratic pols finally, mercifully, give it the gently caress up? 50% of my extended family is rural and liberal, and nearly all of them voted Trump based on gun control. they'll never give it up because city elites love gun control and they have the money
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I'm looking at trying to get involved in some of my state's caucuses and local Dem office, is that the right way to go? I literally have no idea what I'm doing, but having a random idiot show up couldn't hurt I figure
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Typo posted:lol Sam B will be why the dems are gonna keep losing I think the problem is less that Sam B, John Oliver, etc. alienate certain demographics and more that they create a very complacent, insular worldview among liberals. And that complacent, insular worldview ended up being the hallmark of the Clinton campaign.
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Fullhouse posted:same reason thousands of people went out last night to stand in their cities and protest, and tons of people shared big long Facebook posts calling the entire country a white supremacist racist hateland: makes them feel better about themselves without having to do any of the hard parts of effecting change Did you just call protesting an easy
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Typo posted:no because the democrats are idiots and probably don't understand you can just pass gun control laws in blue states and if the red states wants to shoot at each other so be it Except they can't do that because those gun control laws get challenged in court by republican lobbying groups or blocked by the national party If states were allowed to decide their own gun control policies and if people were allowed to get legal recourse for gun crime there would be less of a push for it to happen at the national level in the first place.
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Pomp posted:Did you just call protesting an easy protesting with no goals except "I'm really mad!" serves absolutely no purpose except to make you look like a baby
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Nov 10, 2016 19:48
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Mirthless posted:Except they can't do that because those gun control laws get challenged in court by republican lobbying groups or blocked by the national party I feel like gun control is a lost issue and we just have to accept that many, many people will die unnecessarily and things will only get worse (due to never being successful and losing votes over it) if we try to stop it
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Fiction posted:She better get her rear end in gear tbh Warren: TPP is dead hurray
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Pomp posted:Did you just call protesting an easy Meaningless protest is super easy. Good protesting is hard, largely because it requires a lot of organization and negotiation and a lot of politicking during the protest, but uh, that's not the sort of protests we're talking about, which is currently "spend a few hours shouting and waving signs and then go on with your life as normal".
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Oh that was quick http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marty-rudoy/dear-bernie-or-busters-co_b_12892318.html
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i guess the most frustrating thing that this election proved is that you aren't going to get meaningful social reform that will have any real longevity if you don't get the buy-in of white men. all of the incremental progress that different minority groups have made is likely to get wiped clean off the slate because the people with the privilege to actually determine the course of our culture didn't like feeling like their privilege was going to be reduced
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Lemming posted:I feel like gun control is a lost issue and we just have to accept that many, many people will die unnecessarily and things will only get worse (due to never being successful and losing votes over it) if we try to stop it yeah I don't really disagree, though I'm still frustrated about it. :\ We might get gun control eventually in this country but it probably won't happen until one of these 3%er militias takes over a town and kills a couple of dozen cops
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Typo posted:no because the democrats are idiots and probably don't understand you can just pass gun control laws in blue states and if the red states wants to shoot at each other so be it Yeah, its cool how all the guns ravaging the south side of chicago come from a red state that's allowed to shoot at other red states. Gun control doesnt work unless it's uniform across all states.
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Mister Fister posted:Oh that was quick slower than anticipated
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Freaking Crumbum posted:i guess the most frustrating thing that this election proved is that you aren't going to get meaningful social reform that will have any real longevity if you don't get the buy-in of white men. Getting the buy-in of white women would have been enough, too, but we didn't do that either. You definitely got to get the buy in of white people of some sort, though, yeah, that's sort of a "no duh" situation, especially when you aren't exactly running with 100% non-white support.
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After Bernie lost the primary i stopped paying much attention to the race. I might have cared enough to phonebank for a candidate who actually gave a poo poo. Oh well, I didn't do anything more than vote, and if trump had stayed with his early promise of universal healthcare I would have voted for him. I am not an atypical case, the Dems would do well to realize that
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Womyn Capote posted:Evil will always win, because good is dumb Liberalism isn't good.
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Mister Fister posted:Oh that was quick this is deliciously salty.
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this is it. this is the best tweet about the election https://twitter.com/audiosprite/status/796463167970783232
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sanders has made his first move for progressives to take over the dnc. keith ellison is the co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus which is basically then anti-third way/clinton faction of the party http://www.mprnews.org/story/2016/11/10/sanders-decries-working-class-vote-for-trump quote:Bernie Sanders is leaving open the possibility of another presidential bid, saying in a Thursday interview that he wants to focus on helping the party rebuild its base after Donald Trump's victory.
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Nov 10, 2016 20:01
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Peel posted:The LAT poll was still well off, though to its credit no more off than the others in the final analysis. I think Nate Silver called it 'still one of the least accurate polls' so not really. Peel posted:I don't think it was a mistake to trust the consensus of polling and try for important bonuses like propositions. We know the polling was systematically wrong now, but going with your gut feeling over what reputable polls tell you will burn you more often than not. Bill Mitchell was lucky, not insightful. I think the fundamental, core thing which hurt Hillary's campaign the most is exemplified by people talking about how trusting the data and the experts was a dumb decision. Experts aren't allowed to get anything wrong. The moment they do, they get turned on-and often unjustly. If Clinton had won in a landslide there would be a lot of smug threads about 'shook Nate' the same way now there's a lot of threads about how people got boned by Sam Wang. It's why we had "the people have had enough of experts" even when their track record had a lot more hits than misses compared to gut instinct. But this can't be fixed, not easily. Whereas creating a concerted effort to make people understand class as well as race can be fixed. I think it's something to keep in mind though. NumberLast posted:It seems to be, because a lot of the people that are natural allies to a socially, economically progressive party are rural whites that voted Trump. And some people can't get over their themselves enough to reach out to those people. I think a lot of them are angry right now and are going to need some time to get over it. I know I did. As a minority, I can sympathize with the view that rural whites threw us under the bus. I still feel like they did, even when I know they didn't vote because gently caress minorities, they voted because a pretty-sounding lie was better than vague murmurs. Maybe if the media wasn't so hosed, it wouldn't be like this, because a normal candidate could expect the media would discuss her policies and compare it to the other guy's so she didn't need more than vague statements. But the media was hosed, and so here we are.
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HannibalBarca posted:I think the problem is less that Sam B, John Oliver, etc. alienate certain demographics and more that they create a very complacent, insular worldview among liberals. And that complacent, insular worldview ended up being the hallmark of the Clinton campaign. Yeah it's really not them but literally everyone who loving goes on facebook or tumblr next day and says "WATCH SamB and John Oliver DESTROY XYZ"
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Freaking Crumbum posted:i guess the most frustrating thing that this election proved is that you aren't going to get meaningful social reform that will have any real longevity if you don't get the buy-in of white men. Incrementalism was always absolutely loving retarded, and anybody who claims it's realistic should never be taken seriously ever again.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://www.buzzfeed.com/juliareinstein/even-in-the-darkest-of-times?utm_term=.utgk26yk#.yhA5lgZ5 I hate our dumb weak liberalism.
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Freaking Crumbum posted:i guess the most frustrating thing that this election proved is that you aren't going to get meaningful social reform that will have any real longevity if you don't get the buy-in of white men. You can think that this sucks or not but it is empirical loving fact - yep, you still need white guys to win an election, like Whether it is fair or not the perceived tone and message coming from vocal fringe groups associated with "The Left" is deliberately exclusionary - to undereducated and/or poor folks what stake do you have in someone's loving identity politics? What exposure do you have to Black Lives Matter on anything other than an abstract level? Minorities and minority interests didn't cost the Dems the election, nominating a loving terrible candidate and then letting her allow those rural/undereducated white people to believe she didn't care about them cost the Dems the election Again, Trump's exit polling numbers are catastrophically low, people didn't vote for the guy because they like him, Wisconsin polled at overwhelming disapproval and Trump still won that state I don't believe that the 63% of our country that's white people is just a bunch of hateful bigots, but I do believe that a large number of those people will cut their nose to spite their faces and a Trump vote is the ultimate expression of that - the perception that Hillary cared more about courting "coastal elites" and empowering women/minorities than she did about, say, making sure that Randall in Michigan saw some actual economic progress became the reality Like how can rational people still seem to think that the answer to the Dems problems is to double down on "boy howdy gently caress white people, what a bunch of assholes, I shouldn't need the buy-in of 63% of our country to get elected and accomplish the goals of my platform"
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Throw another thing on the pile of "stuff that Robby Mook's GOTV supercomputer missed by a mile" https://twitter.com/RoundSqrCupola/status/796768978303647744
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Freaking Crumbum posted:i guess the most frustrating thing that this election proved is that you aren't going to get meaningful social reform that will have any real longevity if you don't get the buy-in of white men. turns out telling poor people they are privileged and therefor can get hosed pisses them off.
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FYI, I can say with nearly 100% certainty that this is happening right now because the DNC is practically begging the AFL-CIO to not abandon them going forward. The AFL-CIO and all of the major labor unions in this country are strongly considering dropping their de-facto support of the DNC every election. We spent an absolutely insane amount of money this election alone on GOTV operations for D candidates nationwide... money we could have used to hire several thousand organizers and ran issue based/local referendum campaigns in all 50 states. There's very much a mindset of "what, exactly, have we gotten the past ~30 years from the Democratic party? they take our support for granted." A lot of people in the labor movement consider Obama not going to Wisconsin during the Walker stuff nearly as damaging to our cause as Reagan and the Air Traffic Controllers.
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RENEGADE CUCKSKY posted:FYI, I can say with nearly 100% certainty that this is happening right now because the DNC is practically begging the AFL-CIO to not abandon them going forward. they should have done this 16 years ago
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RENEGADE CUCKSKY posted:FYI, I can say with nearly 100% certainty that this is happening right now because the DNC is practically begging the AFL-CIO to not abandon them going forward. There's a lot to digest here, and I hope that the next generation of DNC leadership realizes that.
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Zikan posted:sanders has made his first move for progressives to take over the dnc. keith ellison is the co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus which is basically then anti-third way/clinton faction of the party 
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Zikan posted:sanders has made his first move for progressives to take over the dnc. keith ellison is the co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus which is basically then anti-third way/clinton faction of the party Bernie really can't run at 79, that's loving nuts, but otherwise I am 100% on board with this I am completely done with the neoliberal wing of the party and I regret ever buying into that poo poo
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HannibalBarca posted:There's a lot to digest here, and I hope that the next generation of DNC leadership realizes that. Are we allowed to Bernie thread style shitpost because I already posted it but the Bernie running gif applies here too.
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Karl Barks posted:they should have done this 16 years ago yep. a big reason is because after Clinton's presidency ended, a huge amount of ex-Clinton folk went to work for the AFL and other unions, like the SEIU and AFSCME. Way too incestuous. Most of these people know literally nothing about unions and really pushed hard to just rubber-stamp every single thing the DNC does.
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