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HannibalBarca: Sep 11, 2016; History shows, again and again, how nature points out the folly of man.

GlyphGryph posted:

I think he could if he ran with a clear, decent pick for VP in mind. A Bernie/Warren ticket would pretty easily calm fears about him dying in office, wouldn't it? It's like, worst case scenario you get the first woman president.

Warren is no spring chicken herself. Bernie Sanders, Liz Warren, and others like them should be doing everything they can to recruit and empower people like them who are 20, 30, and 40 years younger to rebuild the Democratic party.

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Homework Explainer posted:

it's funny to see the same people who called me a paid kremlin stooge mysteriously disappear from this forum after the election

that's cuz you aren't even paid

# ? Nov 10, 2016 20:50

GlyphGryph: Jun 23, 2013; Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.

HannibalBarca posted:

Warren is no spring chicken herself. Bernie Sanders, Liz Warren, and others like them should be doing everything they can to recruit and empower people like them who are 20, 30, and 40 years younger to rebuild the Democratic party.

Yeah, but I still feel like if they could find some sort of good VP candidate there would be a lot less concern about their age.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 20:52

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GlyphGryph posted:

I think he could if he ran with a clear, decent pick for VP in mind. A Bernie/Warren ticket would pretty easily calm fears about him dying in office, wouldn't it? It's like, worst case scenario you get the first woman president.

Oh, he done hosed up, and a ton of his supporters hosed up getting his message out too. I find it hard to blame him too much though - he was a goddamn independent running in the Dem primary who clearly before this election never had any intent for running for President. We shouldn't have needed him, and I think he did well considering the circumstances.

All that said, I'm not sure he should run again. I think if he's willing to take a leadership role these next four years we can find someone that's even better instead of relying on a candidate who lost a primary 4 years previously, and I think he'd probably be all for doing exactly that.

honestly i still don't know what the gently caress warren was even doing this year

It felt like she was trying as hard as she could to be as useless as possible to everybody

# ? Nov 10, 2016 20:51

Porpoise With A Purpose: Feb 28, 2006

GlyphGryph posted:

I think he could if he ran with a clear, decent pick for VP in mind. A Bernie/Warren ticket would pretty easily calm fears about him dying in office, wouldn't it? It's like, worst case scenario you get the first woman president.

Oh, he done hosed up, and a ton of his supporters hosed up getting his message out too. I find it hard to blame him too much though - he was a goddamn independent running in the Dem primary who clearly before this election never had any intent for running for President. We shouldn't have needed him, and I think he did well considering the circumstances.

All that said, I'm not sure he should run again. I think if he's willing to take a leadership role these next four years we can find someone that's even better instead of relying on a candidate who lost a primary 4 years previously, and I think he'd probably be all for doing exactly that.

I seriously hope Bernie and supporters are willing and able to wrestle control of the party away from the Clintonites that have turned it into republican lite, and yeah, they're going to need a new candidate with the same fire and passion as Bernie, but hopefully at a much younger age.

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# ? Nov 10, 2016 20:53

Zythrst: May 31, 2011; Time to join a revolution son, its going to be yooge!

Condiv posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuGFJUnYwtk

I'm gonna listen to this meanwhile here's an email I got.

Elizabeth Warren posted:

Kyle,

This wasn�t a pretty election. In fact, it was ugly, and we should not sugarcoat the reason why. Donald Trump ran a campaign that started with racial attacks and then rode the escalator down. He encouraged a toxic stew of hatred and fear. He attacked millions of Americans. And he regularly made statements that undermined core values of our democracy.

And he won. He won � and now Latino and Muslim-American children are worried about what will happen to their families. LGBT couples are worried that their marriages could be dissolved by a Trump-Pence Supreme Court. Women are worried that their access to desperately needed health services will disappear. Millions of people in this country are worried, deeply worried. And they are right to be worried.

Today, as President-Elect, Donald Trump has an opportunity to chart a different course: to govern for all Americans and to respect our institutions. In his victory speech, he pledged that he would be �President for all� of the American people. And when he takes the oath of office as the leader of our democracy and the leader of all Americans, I sincerely hope that he will fulfill that pledge with respect and concern for every single human being in this country, no matter who they are, no matter where they come from, no matter what they believe, no matter whom they love.

And that marks Democrats� first job in this new era: We will stand up to bigotry. There is no compromise here. In all its forms, we will fight back against attacks on Latinos, African Americans, women, Muslims, immigrants, disabled Americans � on anyone. Whether Donald Trump sits in a glass tower or sits in the White House, we will not give an inch on this, not now, not ever.

But there are many millions of people who did not vote for Donald Trump because of the bigotry and hate that fueled his campaign rallies. They voted for him despite the hate. They voted for him out of frustration and anger � and also out of hope that he would bring change.

If we have learned nothing else from the past two years of electioneering, we should hear the message loud and clear that the American people want Washington to change. It was clear in the Democratic Primaries. It was clear in the Republican Primaries. It was clear in the campaign and it was clear on Election Day. The final results may have divided us � but the entire electorate embraced deep, fundamental reform of our economic system and our political system.

Working families across this country are deeply frustrated about an economy and a government that doesn�t work for them. Exit polling on Tuesday found that 72 percent of voters believe that "the American economy is rigged to advantage the rich and powerful." 72 percent of ALL voters � Democrats and Republicans. The polls were also made clear that the economy was the top issue on voters� minds. Americans are angry about a federal government that works for the rich and powerful and that leaves everyone else in the dirt.

Lobbyists and Washington insiders have spent years trying to convince themselves and each other that Americans don�t actually believe this. Now that the returns are in and the people have spoken, they�re already trying to wave their hands and dismiss these views as some sort of mass delusion. They are wrong � very wrong.

The truth is that people are right to be angry. Angry that wages have been stagnant for a generation, while basic costs like housing, health care, and child care have skyrocketed. Angry that our political system is awash in barely legalized campaign bribery. Angry that Washington eagerly protects tax breaks for billionaires while it refuses to raise the minimum wage, or help the millions of Americans struggling with student loans, or enforce the law when the millionaire CEOs who fund our political campaigns break it. Angry that Washington pushes big corporate interests in trade deals, but won�t make the investments in infrastructure to create good jobs right here in America. Angry that Washington tilts the playing field for giant corporations � giving them special privileges, letting them amass enormous economic and political power.

Angry that while Washington dithers and spins and does the backstroke in an ocean of money, while the American Dream moves further and further out of reach for too many families. Angry that working people are in debt. Angry that seniors can�t stretch a Social Security check to cover the basics.

President-Elect Trump spoke to these issues. Republican elites hated him for it. But he didn�t care. He criticized Wall Street and big money�s dominance in Washington � straight up. He supported a new Glass-Steagall. He spoke of the need to reform our trade deals so they aren�t raw deals for the American people. He said he will not cut Social Security benefits. He talked about the need to address the rising cost of college and about helping working parents struggling with the high cost of child care. He spoke of the urgency of rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure and putting people back to work. He spoke to the very real sense of millions of Americans that their government and their economy has abandoned them. And he promised to rebuild our economy for working people.

The deep worry that people feel over an America that does not work for them is not liberal or conservative worry. It is not Democratic or Republican worry. It is the deep worry that led even Americans with very deep reservations about Donald Trump�s temperament and fitness to vote for him anyway.

So let me be 100% clear about this. When President-Elect Trump wants to take on these issues, when his goal is to increase the economic security of middle class families, then count me in. I will put aside our differences and I will work with him to accomplish that goal. I offer to work as hard as I can and to pull as many people as I can into this effort. If Trump is ready to go on rebuilding economic security for millions of Americans, so am I and so are a lot of other people�Democrats and Republicans.

But let�s also be clear about what rebuilding our economy does not mean.

It does not mean handing the keys to our economy over to Wall Street so they can run it for themselves. Americans want to hold the big banks accountable. That will not happen if we gut Dodd-Frank and fire the cops responsible for watching over those banks, like the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. If Trump and the Republican Party try to turn loose the big banks and financial institutions so they can once again gamble with our economy and bring it all crashing down, then we will fight them every step of the way.
It does not mean crippling our economy and ripping working families apart by rounding up and deporting millions of our coworkers, our friends and neighbors, our mothers and fathers, our sons and daughters. And if Republicans choose that path, we will fight them every single step of the way.
Americans want reform to Obamacare � Democrats included. We must bring down the costs of health insurance and the cost of health care. But if the Republicans want to strip away health insurance from 20 million Americans, if they want to let cancer survivors get kicked to the curb, if they want to throw 24-year-olds off their parents� health insurance, then we will fight them every step of the way.
Americans want to close tax loopholes that benefit the very rich, and Donald Trump claimed to support closing the carried interest loophole and other loopholes. We need a fairer tax system, but if Republicans want to force through massive tax breaks that blow a hole in our deficit and tilt the playing field even further toward the wealthy and big corporations, then we will fight them every step of the way.

The American people � Democrats, Republicans, and Independents � have been clear about what economic policies they want Washington to pursue. Two-thirds of people support raising the federal minimum wage. Three-quarters of Americans want the federal government to increase its infrastructure investments. Over 70 percent of people believe students should have a chance at a debt-free education. Nearly three-quarters support expanding Social Security. These are the kinds of policies that will help level the playing field for working families and address the frustrations felt by millions of people across the country.

The American people sent one more message as well. Economic reform requires political reform. Why has the federal government worked so long only for those at the top? The answer is money � and they want this system changed. The American people are sick of politicians wallowing in the campaign contributions and dark money. They are revolted by influence peddling by wealthy people and giant corporations. When Bernie Sanders proved his independence by running a campaign based on small dollar contributions and when Donald Trump promised to spend his own money, both were sending an important message that they could not be bought. And once again, if Donald Trump is ready to make good on his promise to get corruption out of politics, to end dark money and pay-to-play, count me in. I will work as hard as I can and to pull as many people as I can to end the influence of big money and return democracy to the people.

Donald Trump won the Presidency under a Republican flag. But Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan and the Republicans in Congress � and their way of doing business � were rejected � rejected by their own primary voters, rejected during the campaign, and rejected in Tuesday�s election. Regardless of political party, working families are disgusted by a Washington that works for the rich and powerful and leaves everyone else behind.

The American people have called out loudly for economic and political reform. For years, too many Republicans and too many Democrats have refused to hear their demands.

The majority of Americans voted against Donald Trump. Democrats picked up seats in both the House and the Senate. And yet, here we are. Republicans are in control of both houses of Congress and the White House. And that makes our job clear. As the loyal opposition we will fight harder, we will fight longer and we will fight more passionately than ever for the rights of every human being in this country to be treated with respect and dignity. We will fight for economic opportunity, not just for some of our children, but for all of our children. We do not control the tools of government, but make no mistake, we know what we stand for, the sun will keep rising, and we will keep fighting � each day, every day, we will fight for the people of this country.

The time for ignoring the American people is over. It�s time for us to come together to work on America�s agenda. Democracy demands that we do so, and we are ready.

 Thank you for being a part of this,  

Elizabeth

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GlyphGryph posted:

Yeah, but I still feel like if they could find some sort of good VP candidate there would be a lot less concern about their age.

I don't know why older candidates always make this mistake, Dole and McCain did it too. The longer you take to put a youthful and competent person beside you, the more time your opponent has to scare the poo poo out of potential voters. If you put someone beside you who's incompetent, it just costs you the goddamn election.

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Lawman 0: Aug 17, 2010

Homework Explainer posted:

it's funny to see the same people who called me a paid kremlin stooge mysteriously disappear from this forum after the election

just for the record you're still an idiot.

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ate shit on live tv: Feb 15, 2004; by Azathoth

RENEGADE CUCKSKY posted:

FYI, I can say with nearly 100% certainty that this is happening right now because the DNC is practically begging the AFL-CIO to not abandon them going forward.

The AFL-CIO and all of the major labor unions in this country are strongly considering dropping their de-facto support of the DNC every election. We spent an absolutely insane amount of money this election alone on GOTV operations for D candidates nationwide... money we could have used to hire several thousand organizers and ran issue based/local referendum campaigns in all 50 states.

There's very much a mindset of "what, exactly, have we gotten the past ~30 years from the Democratic party? they take our support for granted."

A lot of people in the labor movement consider Obama not going to Wisconsin during the Walker stuff nearly as damaging to our cause as Reagan and the Air Traffic Controllers.

Finally.

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Oh Snapple!: Dec 27, 2005

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

He didn't campaign in a lot of those states because the Clinton machine had a stranglehold on their electoral politics, which is what the polling made clear.

people also forget that bernie put a shitload of work into SC and got largely rebuked - there was no reason whatsoever to spend those resources again all throughout the south when it was clear it was just going to be a repeat.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 20:53

Peztopiary: Mar 16, 2009; by exmarx

The Democrats lost because they said "...those jobs are gone now." and didn't immediately follow it up with "...and we're going to hang the bastards on Wall Street who stole them." They should have attacked Wall Street in the most violently populist terms possible, because no one who works there is even slightly sympathetic. Anyone who thinks of themselves as a citizen of the world rather than as an American has poo poo to offer poor people.

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Lawman 0: Aug 17, 2010

HannibalBarca posted:

Warren is no spring chicken herself. Bernie Sanders, Liz Warren, and others like them should be doing everything they can to recruit and empower people like them who are 20, 30, and 40 years younger to rebuild the Democratic party.

killary literally ruined the democratic party because of her ego lol

# ? Nov 10, 2016 20:55

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

Mister Fister posted:

I think the first fight i ever got into was with Obdicut. I want to see him answer for his crimes.

he was perhaps the biggest fart huffer of them all

# ? Nov 10, 2016 20:54

Studio: Jan 15, 2008

Zikan posted:

sanders has made his first move for progressives to take over the dnc. keith ellison is the co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus which is basically then anti-third way/clinton faction of the party

http://www.mprnews.org/story/2016/11/10/sanders-decries-working-class-vote-for-trump

All I got from this is an excuse to Minnesota post :woop:

Actually nevermind Minnesota was too close for happy Minnesota posting.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 20:55

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Peztopiary posted:

The Democrats lost because they said "...those jobs are gone now." and didn't immediately follow it up with "...and we're going to hang the bastards on Wall Street who stole them." They should have attacked Wall Street in the most violently populist terms possible, because no one who works there is even slightly sympathetic. Anyone who thinks of themselves as a citizen of the world rather than as an American has poo poo to offer poor people.

One Democrat said that...

# ? Nov 10, 2016 20:55

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Peztopiary posted:

The Democrats lost because they said "...those jobs are gone now." and didn't immediately follow it up with "...and we're going to hang the bastards on Wall Street who stole them." They should have attacked Wall Street in the most violently populist terms possible, because no one who works there is even slightly sympathetic. Anyone who thinks of themselves as a citizen of the world rather than as an American has poo poo to offer poor people.

Kinda hard to do that when your nominee got rich from them!

# ? Nov 10, 2016 20:55

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

Zythrst posted:

I'm gonna listen to this meanwhile here's an email I got.

lol doesn't mention hillary clinton once

# ? Nov 10, 2016 20:56

big business man: Sep 30, 2012

Powercrazy posted:

Finally.

believe me, I am not nearly in a position to make these sort of decisions but I would be giddy if we actually did take a step back from insider DNC politics. Obama not going out to Wisconsin was loving shameful: that was the moment to show the US labor movement that when things got really lovely, the D's would have our backs.

they do not.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 20:55

Oh Snapple!: Dec 27, 2005

Mirthless posted:

honestly i still don't know what the gently caress warren was even doing this year

It felt like she was trying as hard as she could to be as useless as possible to everybody

probably didnt help that fellow democrats (~DWS~) were going after her poo poo like payday loan protections.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 20:56

GlyphGryph: Jun 23, 2013; Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.

Mirthless posted:

honestly i still don't know what the gently caress warren was even doing this year

It felt like she was trying as hard as she could to be as useless as possible to everybody

Does Clinton's machine have a history of making things unpleasant for those who oppose her? It felt like they gave Warren power in Congress in terms of committee positions, with the understanding that if she got in the way and they won anyway it would all disappear.

Who knows, though, in the end.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 20:56

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013

LmaoTheKid posted:

Its funny how the superdelegates were in the wrong party.

I mean, they shouldn't exist to begin with but

Also gently caress closed primaries, I'm looking at you NY State.

Everybody who ever posted about how superdelegates are necessary to prevent the Left Wing Donald Trump from taking over the Democratic party should be rocketed up and into the loving sun.

Mirthless posted:

Dude, I don't really know what your objection to what I'm saying is, and this one is the most confusing

Bernie had nothing to lose by changing minor things about his campaign to appeal to a wider audience. He just didn't do it. It's possible to criticize the way he campaigned without criticizing him, the candidate. He lost the primary for a lot of reasons, not campaigning in the south and not doing more to bring minority voters into the big tent were big ones.

It's difficult to see how "tweaking his message" would work in the face of an institutional wisdom which discredited any potential for his victory in the first place. Political views aren't actually shaped by cheap bromides, the problem was always fundamentally ideological.

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The_Politics_Man: Aug 25, 2015

Peztopiary posted:

The Democrats lost because they said "...those jobs are gone now." and didn't immediately follow it up with "...and we're going to hang the bastards on Wall Street who stole them." They should have attacked Wall Street in the most violently populist terms possible, because no one who works there is even slightly sympathetic. Anyone who thinks of themselves as a citizen of the world rather than as an American has poo poo to offer poor people.

really hard to do that when your party leadership is Wall Street

# ? Nov 10, 2016 20:57

HannibalBarca: Sep 11, 2016; History shows, again and again, how nature points out the folly of man.

Speaking of the Democratic party being in shambles right now, let's count the ways:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/democratic-party-in-crisis-trump-president-231134

quote:

�We thought this would happen in 2018, not 2016,� added a senior Democratic aide who woke up on Wednesday unsure of his party�s shape for the first time in years, especially given the forbidding map two years down the line. �It could get worse before it gets better."

�I don�t know who�s in charge. Who would email me?� said one state party chairman when asked if he�d heard from other party leaders.

quote:

�As you can imagine, I�m taking the simple view that the party will re-litigate 2016, find gems in the debris, and begin a long and arduous task of rebuilding,� Brazile told POLITICO. �We are a forward-looking party."

quote:

Why did Clinton spend so much time in North Carolina, so little in Wisconsin?

Is it Clinton's party? Obama's? Warren's?

quote:

And then, inevitably, there�s the question of what happens before 2020, the party already expecting a furious fight to oust Trump, but the fury not yet overtaking the despair. No senators or governors have been laying any groundwork for a run, though Tim Kaine has an obvious step ahead. There haven�t been any trips to Iowa or New Hampshire. No recruiting of national finance teams.

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Oh Snapple!: Dec 27, 2005

resar posted:

really hard to do that when your party leadership is Wall Street

It's this.

I wonder if Clinton was ever terrified of particular speeches getting out.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 20:59

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Karl Barks posted:

lol doesn't mention hillary clinton once

let her name lay upon the land as a curse for a thousand generations

# ? Nov 10, 2016 20:59

Zythrst: May 31, 2011; Time to join a revolution son, its going to be yooge!

Oh Snapple! posted:

people also forget that bernie put a shitload of work into SC and got largely rebuked - there was no reason whatsoever to spend those resources again all throughout the south when it was clear it was just going to be a repeat.

Justin Bamberg is a hero though.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 20:59

Oh Snapple!: Dec 27, 2005

HannibalBarca posted:

Speaking of the Democratic party being in shambles right now, let's count the ways:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/democratic-party-in-crisis-trump-president-231134

�I don�t know who�s in charge. Who would email me?� said one state party chairman when asked if he�d heard from other party leaders.

lol they're literally not prepared because Clinton culled the field so thoroughly they probably didn't have any plans for the next 8 years

# ? Nov 10, 2016 21:00

Fast Luck: Feb 2, 1988

Freaking Crumbum posted:

I don't mean like she's a nobel prize laureate who should know better; I mean if you're a rational person and you have a media platform that you can leverage to try and accomplish goals that you personally believe in, you might want to figure out how to do so without stomping all over your own dick. if you're only there to entertain people that's cool, but you can still do that in a way that doesn't gently caress up stuff you might actually want accomplished.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 21:00

Lawman 0: Aug 17, 2010

resar posted:

really hard to do that when your party leadership is Wall Street

looks like they are salivating at a trump presidency anyways.
literally nothing of value would be lost.

also ^^^^^ lol!

# ? Nov 10, 2016 20:59

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Lawman 0 posted:

looks like they are salivating at a trump presidency anyways.
literally nothing of value would be lost.

also ^^^^^ lol!

No it's different you see as Trump likes JP Morgan while Hillary likes Goldman Sachs

# ? Nov 10, 2016 21:00

mastershakeman: Oct 28, 2008; by vyelkin

Oh Snapple! posted:

lol they're literally not prepared because Clinton culled the field so thoroughly they probably didn't have any plans for the next 8 years

yea it's loving hilarious. she didn't want an Obama 2.0 and completely wrecked the party apparatus with help from Kaine and dws

# ? Nov 10, 2016 21:02

Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

Oh Snapple! posted:

lol they're literally not prepared because Clinton culled the field so thoroughly they probably didn't have any plans for the next 8 years

i wouldn't be surprised if Cory Booker is looking into a run

he must stopped at all costs if he does

# ? Nov 10, 2016 21:02

Mister Fister: May 17, 2008; D&D: HASBARA SQUAD
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Raskolnikov38 posted:

let her name lay upon the land as a curse for a thousand generations

Good job Clintoning your term paper, i give you an F!

# ? Nov 10, 2016 21:03

Oh Snapple!: Dec 27, 2005

Say one thing about Hillary Clinton, say she connects with affluent white women in the twilight of their careers who need one last moment of validation.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 21:03

The_Politics_Man: Aug 25, 2015

Lawman 0 posted:

looks like they are salivating at a trump presidency anyways.
literally nothing of value would be lost.

A Trump presidency makes no real difference to them. they aren't going to get attacked by Rightist shitheads

# ? Nov 10, 2016 21:02

Oh Snapple!: Dec 27, 2005

Zikan posted:

i wouldn't be surprised if Cory Booker is looking into a run

he must stopped at all costs

remember when hill shills got mad as gently caress about the bernie folks booing him and cuomo during the DNC lol

# ? Nov 10, 2016 21:05

mastershakeman: Oct 28, 2008; by vyelkin

Zikan posted:

i wouldn't be surprised if Cory Booker is looking into a run

he must stopped at all costs if he does

my co-workers have been hyping him and Gavin newsome all morning

# ? Nov 10, 2016 21:04

Oh Snapple!: Dec 27, 2005

Oh Snapple! posted:

remember when hill shills got mad as gently caress about the bernie folks booing him and cuomo during the DNC lol

while salivating over the crying white berniegirls, i should add

# ? Nov 10, 2016 21:05

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navyjack: Jul 15, 2006

Grand Theft Autobot posted:

So, now that gun control as a national issue is completely dead, can liberals/Democratic pols finally, mercifully, give it the gently caress up? 50% of my extended family is rural and liberal, and nearly all of them voted Trump based on gun control.

Yes please.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 21:04

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