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BarbarianElephant posted:It is a useless recourse. If a black guy shoots a cop, even in self-defense, they send twenty cops ready to shoot on sight. 1. It's not just cops, it's thugs emboldened by state ideology 2. That's why you arm entire neighborhoods and communities 3. That's why you organize these neighborhoods and communities 4. Cops aren't actually mor enumerous than entire neighborhoods and communities People have a very very serious to not trust the likelihood that things are going to keep going on peacefully with these elections literally putting an alt-right meme in the white house. If David Duke thinks the new president's victory is "the most exciting night in his life" the time to get ready was yesterday.
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Glazier posted:I've never owned a gun, never even fired one, but I just contacted an LGBT friendly CCW instructor in my county. I just don't trust Federal, State or Local law enforcement in Trump's America. you mean you're not going to passively protest and hope for the best while these guys roam the streets?  You're insane!
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Tatsuta Age posted:Show me a single time that someone having a gun as the police Bundy Ranchers
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It's like Trump is just combing freep for PYF dream deplorable transition team.
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Sweet, it has been two days and his campaign is already sweeping his horrible statements under the rug as just "campaign rhetoric." This is good, maybe the next Trump can win on starting (totally not real, just campaign rhetoric!) concentration camps but promise some white folks they'll get their (dead and buried) jobs back and walk into office on the votes of super not-racists.
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Waffles Inc. posted:good on you. stay safe out there. Thanks, I hope I never have to use it, but if I do I want to be trained and ready. MickeyFinn posted:Sweet, it has been two days and his campaign is already sweeping his horrible statements under the rug as just "campaign rhetoric." This is good, maybe the next Trump can win on starting (totally not real, just campaign rhetoric!) concentration camps but promise some white folks they'll get their (dead and buried) jobs back and walk into office on the votes of super not-racists. I can't wait to see how 2020 plays out if he's simultaneously saying horrible things on the stump and then immediately telling people to ignore it. Then again it worked in 2016.
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A couple of good things about the election: The states that had less than a 10 point Trump advantage: Michigan 0.3% (16 EV) Wisconsin 0.9% (10 EV) Florida 1.2% (29 EV) Pennsylvania 1.2% (20 EV) North Carolina 3.8% (15 EV) Arizona 4.3% (11 EV)* Georgia 5.4 % (16 EV) Ohio 7.5% (18 EV) Texas 9.1% (38 EV)* Iowa 9.5% (6 EV) These total up to 179 electoral votes. The states that had less than a 10 point advantage for Clinton: New Hampshire 0.4% (4 EV) Minnesota 1.5% (10 EV) Colorado 2.1% (9 EV) Nevada 2.3% (6 EV) Maine 2.7% (3 EV) Virginia 4.8% (13 EV) New Mexico 8.2% (5 EV) These total up to 50 electoral votes. Clinton closed the gap in Arizona and Texas by 4% and 3%, respectively, when compared with Obama's 2008 results. The demographic growth is going to put the Republicans at a disadvantage over the course of the next 20 years, but right now, they are the dominant party in the US. They have been the dominant party over the past 30 years. They have controlled the federal legislature for most of that time. They've controlled the appointments to the judiciary. At the state level, they control basically all three branches of government. Only when do you get to local governments does the Democratic party have more elected positions in the large cities. I think that the nation has lost sight of that when some people declared the Republican party's demise over the past few years. As soon as you remove the Presidency, you expose the fact that there is no depth to the Democratic party. The Republican party may be on its way out but it's still a much bigger heavy hitter than the Democratic party.
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Squashing Machine posted:I didn't buy you poo poo, and you're right, I am trying to have an intellectual conversation, which is apparently something you're completely incapable of. If fear is the first stop in this conversation, then fine, let it be run by fear. But gun ownership kills innocents, and it's fear that makes it seem like a viable option. It's the same fear that the NRA relies on to keep its membership and donations up. You have completely failed to tell me how these ideas are at all different. aight man
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Tatsuta Age posted:Show me a single time that someone having a gun as the police Sorry, I think you might have misread me, I'm on the side that there's no good reason to call for increased gun ownership. I agree with you. There are thousands of cases of these guns being used in suicide and personal murder, and essentially none in the stopping of an actual crime against one's person.
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Squashing Machine posted:I didn't buy you poo poo, and you're right, I am trying to have an intellectual conversation, which is apparently something you're completely incapable of. If fear is the first stop in this conversation, then fine, let it be run by fear. But gun ownership kills innocents, and it's fear that makes it seem like a viable option. It's the same fear that the NRA relies on to keep its membership and donations up. You have completely failed to tell me how these ideas are at all different. goddammit you idiot white supremacy kills innocents too and you're sitting there telling black people not to defend themselves. what the gently caress.
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Waffles Inc. posted:encouraging poc gun ownership is a Good Thing(tm) because when the state has the guns and are using them against you it is the only recourse Now you sound like Joe Walsh GRAB YOUR MUSKET
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:Rudy will probably do the same. 
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Polygynous posted:goddammit you idiot white supremacy kills innocents too and you're sitting there telling black people not to defend themselves. As though there's no other option. As though you're not acting exactly like a "right wing gun nut." As though that suddenly makes personal ownership of guns not a national health crisis.
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Gun non-ownership also kills people, at least let people make a political statement, even if it causes problems in the short hand, it can't make things worse in the long term. Additionally gun control is a single issue voter poison.
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"Be the change you want to be" is morally and ethically bankrupt, cowardly nonsense, hth Knowing how to die well enough to elicit liberal tears isn't going to make the people killing minorities grow a loving heart.
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steinrokkan posted:Gun non-ownership also kills people, at least let people make a political statement, even if it causes problems in the short hand, it can't make things worse in the long term. But that's pure "break a few eggs" logic, and I can't agree with it. There are lives we can save right now.
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Tatsuta Age posted:Show me a single time that someone having a gun as the police Bundy Ranch Black Panthers Agnosticnixie posted:"Be the change you want to be" is morally and ethically bankrupt, cowardly nonsense, hth This is the lesson PoC learned from MLK. Squashing Machine posted:As though there's no other option. As though you're not acting exactly like a "right wing gun nut." As though that suddenly makes personal ownership of guns not a national health crisis. What are the other options when people are emboldened enough to bring back lynching? I'd love to hear it.
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Lote posted:A couple of good things about the election: The Republican Party is dying, objectively and measurably. Opportunists like Trump are what happens when an established party dies and leaves a power vacuum the opposition declines to fill. Expect more of them.
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Agnosticnixie posted:"Be the change you want to be" is morally and ethically bankrupt, cowardly nonsense, hth People aren't buying guns to get killed. Aggregate results do not reflect on individual rationality. Anyway, the alternative to this is a Gandhinian passive resistance, and hoping that the death of people will make people have a change of heart, as you posted, except in this case the dead were unarmed.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:The Republican Party is dying, objectively and measurably. Opportunists like Trump are what happens when an established party dies and leaves a power vacuum the opposition declines to fill. Expect more of them. They are in control at all levels. Even if they are dying, they can still do everything in their power to try and maintain that advantage.
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steinrokkan posted:People aren't buying guns to get killed. Aggregate results do not reflect on individual rationality. I'm arguing that passive resistance is the morally bankrupt stance if it's imposed by people who want their precious liberal reductionism preserved. Like I'm on the side of "gently caress, poc and queers arm yourselves rn"
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steinrokkan posted:People aren't buying guns to get killed. Aggregate results do not reflect on individual rationality. We've been there and done that, and this is where it inevitably took us. So nah, I'm good.
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Squashing Machine posted:As though there's no other option. As though you're not acting exactly like a "right wing gun nut." As though that suddenly makes personal ownership of guns not a national health crisis. Well actually the "right wing gun nuts" are all about going into black neighborhoods and taking the guns away. Anyway, just what other option is there at this point, just hope and pray the KKK just sits on their hands for 4+ years?
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Ditto with Asian allies apparently. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-southkorea-idUSKBN13508O
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Squashing Machine posted:As though there's no other option. As though you're not acting exactly like a "right wing gun nut." As though that suddenly makes personal ownership of guns not a national health crisis. Think of it like this, binge drinking is absolutely not something you should do and in recent years has been a crisis on college campuses. However let's say you just accidentally ingested a pint of methanol and it's going to kill you unless you immediately start drinking as much alcohol as fast as you can.
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Also the dignity and grace with which Obama is handling the transition is nothing short of remarkable. What an amazing man.
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Please don't bring up Gandhi. His ideology of nonviolence was very much a personal thing and while he advocated it and hoped that people would aspire to it, even he said that if the choice was to die or fight, you would be a coward not to fight.
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Rush Limbo posted:Please don't bring up Gandhi. His ideology of nonviolence was very much a personal thing and while he advocated it and hoped that people would aspire to it, even he said that if the choice was to die or fight, you would be a coward not to fight. Also Gandhi REALLY hated black people.
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Rush Limbo posted:Please don't bring up Gandhi. His ideology of nonviolence was very much a personal thing and while he advocated it and hoped that people would aspire to it, even he said that if the choice was to die or fight, you would be a coward not to fight. negromancer posted:Also Gandhi REALLY hated black people. Also dude was incel as gently caress.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:The Republican Party is dying Hahaha Look at this post I really hope you're still posting here when trump gets re-elected so I can see you post this again
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mdemone posted:Dimon for SecTreas, Giuliani for AG, Palin for Interior, have I missed any other floated nightmare picks? Joe Arpaio and David Clarke were being talked about for DHS and Newt for Secretary of State.
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Agnosticnixie posted:I'm arguing that passive resistance is the morally bankrupt stance if it's imposed by people who want their precious liberal reductionism preserved. Like I'm on the side of "gently caress, poc and queers arm yourselves rn" I see, sorry.
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LLJKSiLk posted:
dudes a liberterian rear end, but he is right to an extent. the left should be woke.
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Squashing Machine posted:As though there's no other option. What's the other option? Besides "allow yourself to be slaughtered", of course.
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The GOP obviously isn't as dead as everyone thought it was, but how fragmented it is is going to become more apparent when Trump takes office and the next session of Congress begins. Reminder that there are significant sections of the GOP who all hate each other and also hate Trump and will no longer have a Democratic president to unify them. Even without the filibuster it will provide plenty of opportunities for Congressional Democrats to put their thumbs on the scale.
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Scent of Worf posted:The best thing about the next 4 years is going to be watching tens of millions of republicans realize they've been duped by the establishment yet again Again, this claim is bullshit. Conservatives don't care if they get conned. As long as they feel their team is winning they don't give a poo poo about anything other than clamping down on dissenting voices. This is why militia groups spiked in the 90s, fell in the 00s, and spiked again under Obama. They'll drop again now that Real American is President. They are loving nihilists.
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Rush Limbo posted:Please don't bring up Gandhi. His ideology of nonviolence was very much a personal thing and while he advocated it and hoped that people would aspire to it, even he said that if the choice was to die or fight, you would be a coward not to fight. I wasn't advocating for him.
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Unzip and Attack posted:Again, this claim is bullshit. Conservatives don't care if they get conned. As long as they feel their team is winning they don't give a poo poo about anything other than clamping down on dissenting voices. This is why militia groups spiked in the 90s, fell in the 00s, and spiked again under Obama. They'll drop again now that Real American is President. Conservatives didn't put Trump in the White House.
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Hahaha Man, gently caress you. I've seen nothing but lovely winner posts like this from your kind. To be graceful in victory is a virtue we can't expect from conservatives. Meanwhile you don't see Hillary claiming the election was rigged.
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