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Dapper_Swindler posted:loving these so hard. We/they knew this day was coming, but they thought it would be 2020 or 2024 maybe even later. Unfortunately, they ignored the rurals/blue collars/whites and after smelling their own farts for a long enough time until they started activily making GBS threads on there groups, was some of it justified, yeah, but they pissed away the majority in the hopes goal that is a long ways away. It's more than that. Young black voters breaking for Bernie was the canary in the coal mine. Young people need more than just triangulated platitudes about how they have to manage their expectations for economic progress, they need a material politics that they can eat. The response from the typical libs was to talk about how much Barack Obama being President was great for the pride of black students, but they can't eat pride..
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Lawman 0 posted:he needs to gently caress off as does everyone who was in the fuckbarn clinton white house Robert is way in support of Bernie and the economic populism FYI.
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robert reich on policy, much like james carville wrt electoral strategy, was one of the good ones so naturally he was gradually shut out of policymaking during the clinton whitehouse. but i agree, no more detritus of the clinton era
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Nov 10, 2016 21:40
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Oh Snapple! posted:I never saw this Circular firing squads, sadly, aren't just a leftist phenomenon, they're also a centrist one. And a lot of centrists are the worst about it. GlyphGryph posted:We are going to have to work with people who supported hillary, and we don't want to alienate them any more than we do anyone else. But we do need to make them understand that her and her power structure are loving dead, and we do need to ignore and oppose anyone who tries to rebuild it in her image. I agree. Incrementalism was a good idea way back in the day when the liberal elite had overwhelming power. Right now they need the populist progressives more than the populist progressives need them. I think that you need to be careful that this doesn't become a wholesale rejection of experts, though. Post-truth, post-fact bellyfeel campaigns are bad in the long run for society. I think it's possible to both have good, expert-driven policy and distill it down into good, headline-gathering soundbites. It's not an either or.
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Nov 10, 2016 21:41
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where were u when killer mike cost hrc the presidency
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Lawman 0 posted:he needs to gently caress off as does everyone who was in the fuckbarn clinton white house Reich joined Team Bernie from p much the get go
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Nov 10, 2016 21:42
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Reich joined Team Bernie from p much the get go he can retire mate
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Nov 10, 2016 21:43
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MJ12 posted:Circular firing squads, sadly, aren't just a leftist phenomenon, they're also a centrist one. And a lot of centrists are the worst about it. everyone is prone to circular firing squads. the republicans went through a big one after losing to obama
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What needs to happen is for an actual national dialogue to take place to get at the root causes of why people do things like "intentionally vote Donald J. Trump into the office of the Presidency" What is actually happening and what will probably continue to happen is smug virtue signalling nonsense calling for the (un)ironic disenfranchisement of rural whites While educated leftists stay in a race to see who can be the most Progressive™ and Enlightened™ in all the land, people like Trump will continue to "tell it like it is" and win in 2020 and really for the foreseeable future Democrats are supposedly represented by the demographics of America's future, but we're not even going to loving make it to that future if this poo poo keeps up, so yep, time to put on the big boy pants and figure out why the gently caress we didn't just appeal to people's empty-rear end bank accounts and depressed counties and the lovely job market for lower middle-class people and make a plan to improve that poo poo, time to figure out why people associate the Left with elitist jerk-offs so stuffed up their own asses they literally cannot fathom losing the general election because haha that other guy, right?, time to figure out that even if you totaled up every POC vote and LGBT vote in the loving country it can't defeat the 63% of the country's eligible voters you have apparently alienated with your messaging dehumanize yourself and face to bloodshed i guess
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Nov 10, 2016 21:47
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I don't know about you guys, but I'm a run Nina run person. In whatever party she feels like. http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2016/11/10/democratic-party-progressives-election
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reich is like 4' 10". america will elect a gay black muslim woman before they elect someone that short
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guts and bolts posted:What needs to happen is for an actual national dialogue to take place to get at the root causes of why people do things like "intentionally vote Donald J. Trump into the office of the Presidency" unfortunatly the dems are probably going to do the same "im more conservative then thou" oympics the repubs did but this time about white privilege and other idpol garbage The_Politics_Man has issued a correction as of 21:54 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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remember when hillary refused to release her wall street transcripts and her faithful gave her a pass? remember when it came out that hillary was indeed in bed with wallstreet and her faithful blew it off because they were blinded by sunk cost fallacy?quote:Touching on her view of developing financial regulations, Clinton declared to a crowd of Goldman Sachs bankers that in order to “figure out what works,” the “people that know the industry better than anybody are the people who work in the industry.” good times
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guts and bolts posted:Democrats are supposedly represented by the demographics of America's future, but we're not even going to loving make it to that future if this poo poo keeps up, so yep, time to put on the big boy pants and figure out why the gently caress we didn't just appeal to people's empty-rear end bank accounts and depressed counties and the lovely job market for lower middle-class people and make a plan to improve that poo poo, time to figure out why people associate the Left with elitist jerk-offs so stuffed up their own asses they literally cannot fathom losing the general election because haha that other guy, right?, time to figure out that even if you totaled up every POC vote and LGBT vote in the loving country it can't defeat the 63% of the country's eligible voters you have apparently alienated with your messaging OOO! OOO! I KNOW! *raises hand* It's because liberalism is an individualistic ideology which is antithetical to mass politics, and its gatekeepers never cared about the immediate economic concerns of the people because they're already making 6-figure incomes.
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Condiv posted:remember when hillary refused to release her wall street transcripts and her faithful gave her a pass? remember when it came out that hillary was indeed in bed with wallstreet and her faithful blew it off because they were blinded by sunk cost fallacy? lmao where is this from
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Nov 10, 2016 21:56
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there is such a bias against people who have led successful lives fam
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Oh Snapple! posted:remember when hill shills got mad as gently caress about the bernie folks booing him and cuomo during the DNC lol people actually got mad that andrew loving cuomo got booed? cuomo is probably the worst democrat who holds any position in the entire country what the gently caress
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Typo posted:OTOH maybe it's good that the dems has to face those issues today instead of in 2020 thats what i meant. yeah we are hosed in the short(relative) term but if the party completly rebuilds itself and makes actual changes, they might have a good chance at winning or at least fighting trump. guts and bolts posted:What needs to happen is for an actual national dialogue to take place to get at the root causes of why people do things like "intentionally vote Donald J. Trump into the office of the Presidency" amen to this.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:OOO! OOO! I KNOW! *raises hand* This doesn't explain why libertarian appeals to things like self-made-men and individual rights and freedoms and excoriation of the lazy are so popular, though. I'm not saying you're wrong. I think you might be onto something here. I just want to know how we can get these two disparate factual patterns together. My guess is that right-libertarianism is defined more as what it's against, as a group, than what it's for, but so is left-liberalism so idk.
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Cubey posted:people actually got mad that andrew loving cuomo got booed? they got mad at loving everything, it was honestly pretty amazing. never think for a second that this forum wasn't half neolibs who vote democrat solely because it's in their own personal interests instead of any sense of broad empathy
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Condiv posted:remember when hillary refused to release her wall street transcripts and her faithful gave her a pass? remember when it came out that hillary was indeed in bed with wallstreet and her faithful blew it off because they were blinded by sunk cost fallacy? No, no, no man. You have to understand that is in fact a nothingburger and not something that is hugely important to the electorate. What really matters is whether Trump releases his taxes.
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Oh Snapple! posted:lmao where is this from https://theintercept.com/2016/10/07/excerpts-of-hillary-clintons-paid-speeches-to-goldman-sachs-finally-leaked/
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Thoguh posted:This came up yesterday but I don't think it got answered. Did it ever come out if any of that Hillary Victory Fund money made it back to the states after the convention? Because the democrats continued their trend of losing statehouses and governorships on Tuesday and that's going to impact people's day to day lives a lot more than having an orange buffoon in the White House will. Remember when all the Hillary people said she'd be better for downballots than Bernie because she would fund them and campaign for them? Still got Republican house, Republican senate.
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Condiv posted:https://theintercept.com/2016/10/07/excerpts-of-hillary-clintons-paid-speeches-to-goldman-sachs-finally-leaked/ goddamn that got buried
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Oh Snapple! posted:goddamn that got buried i wonder why...
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MJ12 posted:This doesn't explain why libertarian appeals to things like self-made-men and individual rights and freedoms and excoriation of the lazy are so popular, though. I'm not saying you're wrong. I think you might be onto something here. I just want to know how we can get these two disparate factual patterns together. to be very basic right-libertarianism is anti state liberalism. left-libertarianism is anti state socialism.
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anime was right posted:i wonder why... like i remember the "public and private position" poo poo coming up but i dont remember a single mention of what condiv initially posted
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Karl Barks posted:there is such a bias against people who have led successful lives fam https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC9D-paXcHU
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resar posted:to be very basic right-libertarianism is anti state liberalism. left-libertarianism is anti state socialism. I would like a more detailed explanation if you have the time. Right-libertarianism is anti state liberalism, which I assume you're defining in the classical sense of "individual rights and freedoms" while left-libertarianism is anti-state socialism which you're presumably defining as... "collective rights and freedoms"? I mean I agree that left-libertarianism is a pretty dangerous ideology and I'm kinda glad the flirtations with it got a lot of people burned because it's like progressivism without the sacrifice or the actual results but I'm not quite getting the full picture here.
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*runs the most data driven, organized, lockstep campaign in history* *gets dunked on and loses to the political equivalent of the Washington Generals* nothing to see here folks
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"Hey white people! Nobody actually thinks you're evil, don't listen to Lena Dunham haha, seriously though sucks about your job how about we <plan> to improve your currently lovely lives? Also, POC/LGBT/minority voters, some people do actually think you're evil, and we're not those people! Here's <platform> to improve your lives, too! DEMOCRATS: Everyone's lives can, theoretically, improve!!!" it doesn't fit on a bumper sticker or in a tweet tho
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MJ12 posted:This doesn't explain why libertarian appeals to things like self-made-men and individual rights and freedoms and excoriation of the lazy are so popular, though. I'm not saying you're wrong. I think you might be onto something here. I just want to know how we can get these two disparate factual patterns together. Full disclosure: I used to be a right libertarian, and they're very clear about what they're actually for. It just doesn't manifest publicly because what they're for is against any form of government which doesn't guarantee the right to property. Right wing libertarianism is liberal ideology carried to its logical extreme.
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Lawman 0 posted:*runs the most data driven, organized, lockstep campaign in history* It's like when the Williams sisters said they would challenge and defeat any male tennis player, then got owned by a heavy smoking middle aged German who drank beers between sets and didn't practice. Like some Monty Python sketch.
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steinrokkan posted:It's like when the Williams sisters said they would challenge and defeat any male tennis player, then got owned by a heavy smoking middle aged German who drank beers between sets and didn't practice. Like some Monty Python sketch. hahaha I honestly didn't even know this actually happened like holy gently caress how can you be so blind toward reality just because your worldview says something is fair or right, just because you really want something to be true, that doesn't make it true
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Lawman 0 posted:*runs the most data driven, organized, lockstep campaign in history* Yep
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Typo posted:Warren: TPP is dead hurray Not even in office and he's making America great again 
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Oh Snapple! posted:they got mad at loving everything, it was honestly pretty amazing. The worst was the projecting. Posters unironically thinking I want to decriminalize weed, not because I want to end the police state HRC *spit* helped architect, but obviously because "I just want to smoke weed". Completely ignoring that retail weed in NYC would actually be a step down from the awesome delivery services that are available. (Lol if you think weed delivery would be allowed). Or how about wanting a minimum income, oh obviously I just want to oppress black people and only allow white people to have it. Free College? Heh, only white people go to college, you racist. Against the Low Income Earned Housing Credit? Obviously you hate black people. Completely ignoring that the LIEHC is a loving handout to people like Donald Trump in the first place. It was just awful. Anyway I've reached out to a several people I worked with during the Primary so hopefully I can be a small part of the New DNC, now is a good time for people looking to get in on the ground floor since loyalty pledges and purity tests have been abandoned. ate shit on live tv has issued a correction as of 22:29 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Full disclosure: I used to be a right libertarian, and they're very clear about what they're actually for. It just doesn't manifest publicly because what they're for is against any form of government which doesn't guarantee the right to property. Right wing libertarianism is liberal ideology carried to its logical extreme. Extreme American libertarianism is no different from anarchist capitalism at all
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