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BarbarianElephant posted:This website says $40 billion to build the wall Lol you Dems actually think he was serious about that, how cute!
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Doctor Butts posted:I guess. Stoking his paranoia might not be the right phrase, cause in this case people like Gingrich really ARE just using him to empower themselves and don't give a poo poo about him. Obama is probably legitimately more invested in Trump having a successful presidency than any Republican. And, God, after that meeting today, it's loving insane but if he had just invited Trump over for golf in 2009 this never would have happened. NOT THAT HE SHOULD HAVE TO AND I PLACE NO BLAME ON OBAMA.
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BarbarianElephant posted:Actually, it was a big strategy in the depression days. Those weren't useless busywork projects. They achieved things in addition to giving people a paychck. Public works aimed at renewing infrastructure and protecting environment would totally be a good idea even in tyool 2016. steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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BarbarianElephant posted:Actually, it was a big strategy in the depression days. ah yes, all those things posted there had no use at all
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steinrokkan posted:Those weren't useless busywork projects. They achieved things in addition to giving people a paychck. Well, yes, that would be better. But this is Trump we are talking about here. He's going to build that wall! If you'd wanted someone who built useful things, America, perhaps you shouldn't have elected Trump.
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My Linux Rig posted:Lol you Dems actually think he was serious about that, how cute! What's your point exactly? "That trump gets to say anything and get away with it. Haha sucks to be America!" Or what?
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steinrokkan posted:Making something with no use is not an economic boost. They might as well just receive a government check, or be paid to sit in an empty room, looking at a blank wall. John Maynard Keynes posted:If the Treasury were to fill old bottles with banknotes, bury them at suitable depths in disused coalmines which are then filled up to the surface with town rubbish, and leave it to private enterprise on well-tried principles of laissez-faire to dig the notes up again (the right to do so being obtained, of course, by tendering for leases of the note-bearing territory), there need be no more unemployment and, with the help of the repercussions, the real income of the community, and its capital wealth also, would probably become a good deal greater than it actually is. It would, indeed, be more sensible to build houses and the like; but if there are political and practical difficulties in the way of this, the above would be better than nothing.
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Wound't it be crazy if Trump were the President to bring us mincome?
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BarbarianElephant posted:Well, yes, that would be better. But this is Trump we are talking about here. He's going to build that wall! He wasn't elected to build, he was elected to destroy. Primarily people who can't pass the paper bag test or who pop a boner looking at the wrong gender.
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Glazier posted:Wound't it be crazy if Trump were the President to bring us mincome? "Only Trump could sign a free trade deal with China" they will say
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quote:Donna Brazile, the interim leader of the Democratic National Committee, was giving what one attendee described as “a rip-roaring speech” to about 150 employees, about the need to have hope for wins going forward, when a staffer identified only as Zach stood up with a question. http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5824cb95e4b0ddd4fe7954e8 Excellent
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DACK FAYDEN posted:e: And in case it's not clear from this post, I'm Keynesian on this issue to the point of being a Modern Monetary Theorist. The government should be spending more and running a deficit to promote private-sector surplus. Yeah, that is not the brightest solution except as an ad absurdum example, which it was meant to be, there is always productive work to be done and agreed upon by members of the respective community that creates value. Even if it is basic landscaping or repairing potholes.
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Lol Zach didn't even stay to listen to her answer. But I'm sure that was worth shutting down the effort to motivate people.
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BarbarianElephant posted:This website says $40 billion to build the wall Rofl if it only costs 40 billion
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Good, I'd like to see Bernie or John Lewis at the top setting vision with Warren running the day to day.
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Trabisnikof posted:What's your point exactly? "That trump gets to say anything and get away with it. Haha sucks to be America!" Or what?
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negromancer posted:Hey for all the asshats thinking minorities have nothing to fear from Trump and his followers! my god they wrote the word trump on a wall im literally loving shaking and a bunch of stories people wrote???? holy poo poo but theres a real video of someone getting beaten up for voting for trump.....meh...kill racist scum tbh Trabisnikof posted:What's your point exactly? "That trump gets to say anything and get away with it. Haha sucks to be America!" Or what? he got the racist vote by making promises he had no intention of keeping, a new and bold strategy that no one has ever done before
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WampaLord posted:LOL "faith in my vote." Word of advice, don't troll the thread about how bad the Trump government is. That kind of stuff seems to upset some goons.
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Glazier posted:Good, I'd like to see Bernie or John Lewis at the top setting vision with Warren running the day to day. Well is Sanders even a Democrat anymore? so it probably won't be him.
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steinrokkan posted:Yeah, that is not the brightest solution except as an ad absurdum example, which it was meant to be, there is always productive work to be done and agreed upon by members of the respective community that creates value. Even if it is basic landscaping or repairing potholes.
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steinrokkan posted:Those weren't useless busywork projects. They achieved things in addition to giving people a paychck. Trump actually called out a lot of infrastructure work he wants to get done in his victory speech. He specifically named highways, bridges, and a few other important facets. Ironically I think it was McConnell who said the Senate isn't really interested in taking that on.
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Reminder that the GOP hates spending and Trump wants to spend. There are already cracks in the right-wing coalition that just aren't apparent yet.
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Feral Integral posted:Rofl if it only costs 40 billion Don't worry, Mexico will pay for it. LOL Iraq war cost: $1.7 trillion. The wall will be cheaper if it distracts him from declaring war on somewhere. It'll be a big clusterfuck of a project, bogged down in corruption issues and rising costs. Can't wait to hear about its progress on the Daily Show!
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Trabisnikof posted:Lol Zach didn't even stay to listen to her answer. But I'm sure that was worth shutting down the effort to motivate people. No one is going to take Donna Brazile seriously. Thanks to the leaked emails she is already seen as another DWS.
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Too Shy Guy posted:Trump actually called out a lot of infrastructure work he wants to get done in his victory speech. He specifically named highways, bridges, and a few other important facets. Ironically I think it was McConnell who said the Senate isn't really interested in taking that on. And the Democrats can say to Trump "Well, we might be able to give you the senate votes to get this infrastructure bill passed if you do X and Y with these other things" This is how governing works and always has been.
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Fojar38 posted:Reminder that the GOP hates spending and Trump wants to spend. There are already cracks in the right-wing coalition that just aren't apparent yet. not a crack that racist clarion calls cant fix
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Here's what democrats actually needed during the presidential run: https://twitter.com/sensanders/status/796785451713593344 actual loving leadership and willingness to stand up and fight just as viciously as the GOP has for their party. This pacifist liberal bullshit Hillary tried lost us the government The Ol Spicy Keychain fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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chumbler posted:If those 6 million people could not summon up the energy to prevent a backslide on nearly all social progress in at least a decade, there's nothing the party or candidate could have done. This is in the fake progressives who say it out. Don't try to pretend it's not. Bullshit. Yeah, maybe you can put some blame on them for sitting it out. But you can put all of the blame on the Democratic Party for years of "do as I say, not as I do" and lesser of two evils garbage. For burying progressive issues that their constituents demonstrably want. Private speech transcripts come out where Hillary tells bankers that sometimes you have to tell different people different things, and voters take a look at how the Democratic track record has affected their lives, and walk. That doesn't make any kind of sense to you?
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Trabisnikof posted:Lol Zach didn't even stay to listen to her answer. But I'm sure that was worth shutting down the effort to motivate people. What's the point of giving a pep talk if you're not going address and fix the underlying problems? Glazier posted:Good, I'd like to see Bernie or John Lewis at the top setting vision with Warren running the day to day. Bernie's reportedly pushing for Keith Ellison to take over the DNC, so there's that.
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Scent of Worf posted:Here's what democrats actually needed during the presidential run: Wait I thought the complaint was Clinton attacked Trump too much? Everyone has been whining in this thread she attacked Trump too much. But now, after Sanders says he will work with Trump, you're saying she wasn't aggressive enough in attacking Trump?
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Trabisnikof posted:What's your point exactly? "That trump gets to say anything and get away with it. Haha sucks to be America!" Or what? That's part of the trump magic Don't worry little Dem, you'll get to see it with your own eyes one day. Trumpster is gonna make America great again 
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Scent of Worf posted:https://twitter.com/sensanders/status/796785451713593344 It's funny because a lot of people in earlier uspol were assured that if she won she wasn't going to make Obama's mistake of reaching across the aisle in 08 because of being attacked by them for a few decades, but I agree she really should have just been willing to drop the hammer on every Republican in the legislature and never let any of them squirm away from the lovely things they said or the lovely things Trump said that they refused to shout him down for.
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Fojar38 posted:Reminder that the GOP hates spending and Trump wants to spend. There are already cracks in the right-wing coalition that just aren't apparent yet. I'd love to see Trump get angry at his failures and lash out at Ryan, or endorse democrats for congress. But realistically he'll just blame Obama.
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idiotsavant posted:Bullshit. Yeah, maybe you can put some blame on them for sitting it out. Nah, you can totally put the majority of the blame at the feet of the people who see absolutely nothing wrong with destroying the lives of everyone who isn't straight or white. They might as well have gone ahead and pulled the lever for Trump, the results would have been exactly the same. So gently caress them.
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My Linux Rig posted:That's part of the trump magic Unlikely.
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BarbarianElephant posted:Don't worry, Mexico will pay for it. I really don't think a wall of that size can be built in four years, or at least not built in a way that's structurally sound. And then after it's up it would require lots of repairs and maintenance and all that jazz. I'm pretty sure one of those things that's just not going to happen.
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How is Keith Ellison? All I know is he is on the he and he is Muslim and black. Anything laughably wrong with him?
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idiotsavant posted:Bullshit. Yeah, maybe you can put some blame on them for sitting it out. But you can put all of the blame on the Democratic Party for years of "do as I say, not as I do" and lesser of two evils garbage. For burying progressive issues that their constituents demonstrably want. Private speech transcripts come out where Hillary tells bankers that sometimes you have to tell different people different things, and voters take a look at how the Democratic track record has affected their lives, and walk. That doesn't make any kind of sense to you? And if that walk leads us to 1910s, well just gently caress the minorities that will actually be hurt the most, right?
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:I really don't think a wall of that size can be built in four years, or at least not built in a way that's structurally sound. And then after it's up it would require lots of repairs and maintenance and all that jazz. Trump, building something structurally sound?
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Trabisnikof posted:Wait I thought the complaint was Clinton attacked Trump too much? Everyone has been whining in this thread she attacked Trump too much. This is a really good point. A whooooooole bunch of people in this thread complained how Hillary spent too much time attacking Trump and not doing the whole hope and change routine.
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