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Australia is bad Bigly bad. Tories across the board will be looking at Trumpism and clapping. I fear that all they have to do is take Campbell Newman's brain and put it in a loud orange apparatus and will create a Tory God who will smite us all. Australia is next.
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hooman posted:Seen on channel 9 last night:
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Nov 11, 2016 02:02
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Anidav posted:Australia is bad What the gently caress do you mean next, we already elected Tony Abbott you utter nong. The Australian public proved their loving stupidity before the American public did and we don't even have voluntary voting as an excuse.
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Nov 11, 2016 02:07
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The American public elected him after Obama. There was no instability and no leadership tugowars. All it took was yelling at the status quo until it exploded. Loud conservative assholes are upon us. Abbott was an idiot but he is nothing compared to this toxic brand of conservatism. Tony Abbott is Mitt Romney levels and Trump proved there is a level below that and that level is electable.
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Nov 11, 2016 02:11
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Graic Gabtar posted:Story unseen, but wouldn't something that highlighted the stress of a job that turns people into (anecdotally) dead-eyed uncaring fucks that handball anything that can't be resolved in five minutes be a good thing? Yes, absolutely. The government being taken to task for loving over centrelink worker as well as welfare recipients is a good thing. It just staggers me to see the sympathy directed to the overworked workers while the recipients whose lives these kind of delays can destroy are glossed over.
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Nov 11, 2016 02:15
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So how long until Bernardi makes a change to the House?
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Nov 11, 2016 02:17
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Amoeba102 posted:So how long until Bernardi makes a change to the House? Never, he's been playing this game for years.
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Nov 11, 2016 02:24
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ewe2 posted:Apparently a black Muslim guy wants to run the DNC (Democrat National Committee). Now he sounds like a great guy, but can you think of anything more dumb just after this election? Howard Dean is in the running too, and from memory his 50 States approach ended up being pretty successful and lead to the Dems controlling the Reps and helped Obama's win.
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Nov 11, 2016 02:26
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1GadTfGFvU The Working Classes belief in the Trump Presidency
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Nov 11, 2016 02:32
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We've got time for refugee deal with US, Pyne says A reported deal to send refugees currently on Nauru and Manus Island to the US could be revealed within days, with Christopher Pyne saying there is plenty of time to put it in place before anti-immigration President-elect Donald Trump takes office.
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Nov 11, 2016 02:37
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Nauru and Manus arent working, where's a worse place we can send them?
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Nov 11, 2016 02:39
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Like others have said we've already had our Trumps (e.g. Newman, Palmer, Abbott) and voters got buyers' remorse very quickly.
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Nov 11, 2016 02:55
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Palmer couldn't actually do anything, but might have been a bit like a Trump-lite if he could. I don't really see Newman and Abbott as Trump analogues though. They're conservative blowhards, but their style is so different.
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Nov 11, 2016 03:06
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The closest we've had to a Trump would've been Kerry Packer.
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Nov 11, 2016 03:08
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We gave the world Rupert Murdoch, there will be no mercy.
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Nov 11, 2016 03:15
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Les Affaires posted:For anybody looking for a comparison with Australia, our electorates and voting system get reproportioned every few years as demographics and geographic migration changes. We have next to nobody in our geographic interior, and because our voting system roughly follows where people actually live, it mostly reflects the wishes of the people living in the urban and suburban areas around the capital cities. Its also worth nothing that Republican state governments have spent years restructuring boundaries to make it more favorable for them and getting reelected. I'm on the phone otherwise I'd link but Michael Moore did a speech where he predicted this outcome. Basically, he said Trump spoke more to people when he told US auto manufactures that he'd put tarrifs on their cars if they move production offshore then any other political leader has in decades. He called the vote for Trump the only 'gently caress you' many could give to the establishment.
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Nov 11, 2016 03:17
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A exhibit about the Great Barrier Reef is showing in Brisbane called "Wild State" Ok here is the punchline It is at the Queensland Museum and funded by BHP.
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Nov 11, 2016 03:19
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Anidav posted:A exhibit about the Great Barrier Reef is showing in Brisbane called "Wild State" I'll check it out after I look at the coal mining exhibit and the state of origin merchandise collection.
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Nov 11, 2016 03:35
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Graic Gabtar posted:Story unseen, but wouldn't something that highlighted the stress of a job that turns people into (anecdotally) dead-eyed uncaring fucks that handball anything that can't be resolved in five minutes be a good thing? From a class and disadvantage point of view I suspect the gap between centerlink call centre staff and callers is not very big.
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Nov 11, 2016 03:42
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You Am I posted:The closest we've had to a Trump would've been Kerry Packer. Not Clive Palmer?
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Nov 11, 2016 03:48
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open24hours posted:Palmer couldn't actually do anything, but might have been a bit like a Trump-lite if he could. I don't really see Newman and Abbott as Trump analogues though. They're conservative blowhards, but their style is so different. Palmer had the rich guy buying his way into parliament as a novelty analogy, but while crazy he also actually has some principles. For example he was very critical of our refugee policies.
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Nov 11, 2016 03:51
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You Am I posted:The closest we've had to a Trump would've been Kerry Packer. Christopher Skase seems more apt.
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Nibbles! posted:Its also worth nothing that Republican state governments have spent years restructuring boundaries to make it more favorable for them and getting reelected. It's a good speech. People should really give it a listen. quote:I know a lot of people in Michigan that are planning to vote for Trump and they don't necessarily like him that much, and they don't necessarily agree with him. They're not racist or rednecks, they're actually pretty decent people, and so after talking to a number of them I wanted to write this:
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Nov 11, 2016 04:08
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Milky Moor posted:It's a good speech. People should really give it a listen. Thanks for the link. I actually don't mind Moore to a degree and for the rust belt I think this is a good analysis. Spent some time talking to a friend from New York state earlier today. He's historically a Democrat but he's also dropped out of the middle class. He voted Trump even though it was pointless. Although he realises he's probably hosed, he thinks at least Trump will be his last chance to get his old life back. Interesting to hear a similar message within an hour or two.
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Nov 11, 2016 05:28
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The best thing the Rust Belt could've hoped for is a Dem running on a platform of building solar panels in America for America but they hosed that up and will probably have to import it from Germany like we do because we also hosed up the renewable shift.
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Nov 11, 2016 05:35
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Anidav posted:The best thing the Rust Belt could've hoped for is a Dem running on a platform of building solar panels in America for America but they hosed that up and will probably have to import it from Germany like we do because we also hosed up the renewable shift.
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Nov 11, 2016 05:45
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Because Hillary Clinton is a bad candidate.
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Nov 11, 2016 05:56
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Anidav posted:Because Hillary Clinton is a bad candidate. It's not (just) that; the Dem leadership / campaign in general didn't feel the need to push those areas as hard as they should have.
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Nov 11, 2016 06:07
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Literally promise to build solar panels in the Rust Belt and it would be the opposite result. Didn't happen. Laughing my rear end off. Someone post Kevin Rudd's piece on Trump that came out today it's behind a paywall.
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Nov 11, 2016 06:09
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I don't know why you'd believe them even if they did promise that.
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Nov 11, 2016 06:11
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Because it's more specific than Trumps vague promise to just "Bring it back"
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quote:http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/kevin-rudd-donald-trump-might-just-need-a-friend/news-story/afd9d0ba9317fede449de346e1c32598
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Graic Gabtar posted:'Deplorables', who'd have thunked it? The Dems ran a campaign that spoke to no one who wasn't a city-living Democrat who thought that having a bunch of celebrities singing Fight Song was enough. No one turned out to vote for them, that's it. As much as a lot of people are going to say it came down to a swell of racists and sexists on the side of Trump, it's not the case. When you look at the numbers, votes for Clinton decreased across every demographic that wasn't rich, college-educated or over 65 years of age. Less white people voted for Trump this they did for Romney, more minority voters voted for Trump than they did for Romney. More poor people voted for Trump than they did Romney, more people with and without Union memberships (and vice versa for Clinton!) The Clinton supporters got cocky as gently caress, as could be seen in the C-SPAM meltdown thread, and paid for it. And, ultimately, I think there were a lot of people who just didn't vote because they didn't like Trump's vision for America but certainly didn't like Clinton's message that things were fine. Milkfred E. Moore fucked around with this message at 06:30 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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ModernMajorGeneral posted:From a class and disadvantage point of view I suspect the gap between centerlink call centre staff and callers is not very big. To be fair I know a number of people who are employed in this very area, and it is actually quite a high paying role. I'm talking around the sum of $60k+ with very accessible over-time which sees their rate of pay increase substantially. A couple of these friends happen to be casual staff, so of course their rates of pay are even higher, with the ability to "easily" as quoted by a worker, earn in excess of $100k a year. Though casual staff have recently had their daily limit of hours reduced to just 5 hours, so that makes earning more a fair bit more difficult, and I would expect casual staff to suffer in regards to well-being in this circumstance. In saying that, despite the reduction of hours for casual staff, the work itself involves a large amount of paid training in which it is reported that it mostly consists of up to 2 weeks of classroom type re-training. I suspect this is where many of the short-comings are occurring, besides the obvious lack of necessary staff to adequately answer calls. So it may be quite stressful work for those with souls, who feel the pain of only being able to offer so much assistance, but for the rest it is just another cushy job where people can shift responsibilities with the push of a button. E: This is in Victoria in case there happens to be fluctuations in rates of pay between states.
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I still can't get over more minorities voting for Trump. Romney didn't have nearly as toxic attitudes but 2% more latinos and 2% more African Americans voted for Trump than Romney. I guess there's some stupid ones out there who believe a wall will keep out the bad hombres and putting law and order back on TV will save our cities.
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Nov 11, 2016 06:32
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Anidav posted:I still can't get over more minorities voting for Trump. Romney didn't have nearly as toxic attitudes but 2% more latinos and 2% more African Americans voted for Trump than Romney.
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Nov 11, 2016 06:41
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Nov 11, 2016 06:49
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Remember reading an Australian piece not long ago, they found plenty of first and second generation non-white immigrants/refugees in western Sydney who were all totally onboard with our gross immigration policies because they were all afraid they would suffer economically without those policies protecting their jobs and services. A lot of people seem completely convinced that there's no way that a refugee could actually contribute to the economy.
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Milky Moor posted:The Clinton supporters got cocky as gently caress, as could be seen in the C-SPAM meltdown thread, and paid for it. Fast forward to 2016 and while the polls get the primaries wrong they were frequently not too far off, and primaries are inherently harder to poll anyway. Trump certainly performed about as well as the polls predicted in them. starkebn posted:and exit polling has a margin of error There is that too. Doctor Spaceman fucked around with this message at 06:59 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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Milky Moor posted:The Dems ran a campaign that spoke to no one who wasn't a city-living Democrat who thought that having a bunch of celebrities singing Fight Song was enough. No one turned out to vote for them, that's it. As much as a lot of people are going to say it came down to a swell of racists and sexists on the side of Trump, it's not the case. When you look at the numbers, votes for Clinton decreased across every demographic that wasn't rich, college-educated or over 65 years of age. Less white people voted for Trump this they did for Romney, more minority voters voted for Trump than they did for Romney. More poor people voted for Trump than they did Romney, more people with and without Union memberships (and vice versa for Clinton!) The Clinton supporters got cocky as gently caress, as could be seen in the C-SPAM meltdown thread, and paid for it. Anidav posted:Because it's more specific than Trumps vague promise to just "Bring it back" cohsae posted:Remember reading an Australian piece not long ago, they found plenty of first and second generation non-white immigrants/refugees in western Sydney who were all totally onboard with our gross immigration policies because they were all afraid they would suffer economically without those policies protecting their jobs and services.
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