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etalian posted:Also how they smugly look down on others and couldn't understand why workers would be upset over things like NAFTA/TPP. actually, fishmech showed me some stats that PROVE nafta and TPP won't affahahahahaha
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:This reminds me of how vigorously zoux accused me of being a sexist for making the obviously objectively true statement that Hillary got to this point because she was an influential First Lady. I mean, zoux is the person that accused a black goon of not being black (and the guy had to take a picture of his arm to prove he was), so his opinion is completely worthless anyway (like a lot of hillaristas here).
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I'd honestly prefer if we purge Warren from the progressive movement. She isn't that great anyway and it's more fun to imagine starting from scratch.
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Mordiceius posted:So I'm not sure if it's been discussed in the past 45 pages, but what's stopping a new Progressive Party from being created and scooping up the people who feel abandoned? Probably the lack of money. You'd need to find a couple extremely rich progressives, and there aren't very many of those, willing to burn mountains of money on a long term philosophical and political movement. Plus the outcry of such a move splitting the Democratic vote leading to a disaster in the polls. Oh wait that part already happen. 
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I wonder how the Board of Directors at Planned Parenthood feel about endorsing Hillary during the primaries now. gently caress.
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The one thing about the auto bailouts is it crushed the used car industry. First up was Cash for Clunkers, which wiped out thousands of used but serviceable cars and trucks that were deemed as polluters and gas guzzlers, completely discounting that used cars are already built and while they often pollute more than a newer car, building the newer car to replace the older car uses far more resources and emits far more pollution as a whole than had that old car been allowed to live out its life cycle. The second part that hurt was those cars, the $3,000 and under "clunkers" are what poor people drive, and the used car dealerships that cater to that market were the ones that could finance those cars for the poor, so you effectively removed ease of purchase from the people who needed help the most. On top of that, once Chrysler and GM were flush with governmental cash, they had to figure out a way to increase sales and the easiest way they did this was by offering huge incentives to buy new. This had a cascading effect on the used car market, as one to three year cars took a bath in value (why spend $20,000 on a lightly used car when you can get a new one for $30,000 with $7,000 in rebates), which then depressed the prices of 3-7 year old cars, and absolutely annihilated 7+ year old sales. Often times, dealers would buy a cheap car that ran fine only to part it out, as the parts were worth more money than the whole car. Again, this hit used dealers hard, and forced a consolidation of the market because the small time guys simply gave up as they couldn't compete with factory dealerships who had their own used lots. I recently left a job at a large wholesale auction and was there when the economy dropped out. We were doing relatively ok until those two policies hit full stride, and then it was a bloodbath. It directly cost jobs at my location (I was lucky and doing a fairly technical job and was the only guy who could work on some of the exotic stuff we got in), but I had many friends take it in the rear end, hard. I won't say that the bailouts were bad or shouldn't have happened, but they certainly had unintended consequences that people in the industry foresaw before they came about.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:lmao oh man the responses to brazile's tweet Andy Rowe @andyrowe posted:@donnabrazile Here's an advance question for #DonnaBrazile: how does it feel knowing your lack of ethics set this nation on this path? Resign immediately.
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Karl Barks posted:literally all i can do right now is stroke my schadenfreude, it's terrible I have so much work to do but I can't stop gloating
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The Kingfish posted:I'd honestly prefer if we purge Warren from the progressive movement. She isn't that great anyway and it's more fun to imagine starting from scratch. No, no no no. Wrong. First you win elections and take power. Then you start up the purges. Win first, purge later.
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Mister Fister posted:I mean, zoux is the person that accused a black goon of not being black (and the guy had to take a picture of his arm to prove he was), so his opinion is completely worthless anyway (like a lot of hillaristas here). The fact that this forum which previously had a reputation as being uber-left politically had devolved into a hotbed of shameless DNC shills had started to slowly drive me insane, the fact that this did a complete 180 after her loss is probably one of the few silver linings of this shitshow.
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Well What Now posted:No, no no no. Wrong. poo poo! I always forget
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:This reminds me of how vigorously zoux accused me of being a sexist for making the obviously objectively true statement that Hillary got to this point because she was an influential First Lady. I find it pretty hard to see her as part of the feminist movement because she is way more entrenched with the elites. Her status is well above working class people who have to deal with sexual harassment or racism on a daily basis or even frustration for not being able to have a meal on their plate for dinner and it showed through out her campaigning, having private dinners and 500 dollar tickets to see her speak etc. We can appreciate the fact that thirdwayism is completely dead and its time for a democrat populist movement, speaking of which https://twitter.com/politico/status/796798355896758272  I hope they consider his opinion instead of bringing Howard Dean back on board because he's pretty insider and it won't represent the leadership the DNC needs right now after the DNC pretty much strongarmed people and padded Clinton's nomination to her favor. While yes, some people were pretty smug about it, I'll ask you to try not to incite some lovely flamewar over some grudge. The election craze will die down and C-SPAM will have some changes, so please consider this moving forward. The hill-bots are thoroughly owned, this much is evident and after a year of twisting the knives and smugly dismissing your opinions, I can understand the sentiment but don't let that devolve the topic thanks in advance~
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The Kingfish posted:It would be nice if the bad lady had to resign in even more disgrace. she's already done that once in the past month
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MaxxBot posted:The fact that this forum which previously had a reputation as being uber-left politically had devolved into a hotbed of shameless DNC shills had started to slowly drive me insane, the fact that this did a complete 180 after her loss is probably one of the few silver linings of this shitshow. I don't know about anyone else but at the start of this campaign I was a full-on BernieBro all the way until it was clear he wasn't gonna win. I swallowed my annoyance and supported Clinton despite the fact she's always rubbed me wrong. Hell, I even got legit excited by her because of the alternative. I did my duty as a good partisan, and I'm drat well gonna speak my mind about what I think went wrong now.
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VikingSkull posted:On top of that, once Chrysler and GM were flush with governmental cash, they had to figure out a way to increase sales and the easiest way they did this was by offering huge incentives to buy new. This had a cascading effect on the used car market, as one to three year cars took a bath in value (why spend $20,000 on a lightly used car when you can get a new one for $30,000 with $7,000 in rebates) And now there is also an auto loan bubble that we all know the working class can't pay off, much like 2008.
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DaveWoo posted:I dunno, my progressive friends apparently hate Warren now because she didn't endorse Bernie in the primary. No way she and Bernie don't publicly make nice to each other. Warren sees the writing on the wall and she's up for reelection in 2018.
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MaxxBot posted:The fact that this forum which previously had a reputation as being uber-left politically had devolved into a hotbed of shameless DNC shills had started to slowly drive me insane, the fact that this did a complete 180 after her loss is probably one of the few silver linings of this shitshow.
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MaxxBot posted:The fact that this forum which previously had a reputation as being uber-left politically had devolved into a hotbed of shameless DNC shills had started to slowly drive me insane, the fact that this did a complete 180 after her loss is probably one of the few silver linings of this shitshow. MRIT and Venom Snake and all those other people are gonna be right back on the pragmatist wagon as soon as they get the opportunity. DnD talks a huge game about how cool and socialist it is, but the average poster is just slightly further left than Clinton.
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/796831076886970368 Bannon has spent his time at breitbart trying to destroy Ryan and McConnell, that would not be a smart move for Trump unless he wanted McConnell to start blocking nominations. I really don't think Congress is going to bend over for Trump to the degree he thinks they will.
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The Kingfish posted:MRIT and Venom Snake and all those other people are gonna be right back on the pragmatist wagon as soon as they get the opportunity. DnD talks a huge game about how cool and socialist it is, but the average poster is just slightly further left than Clinton. There's more than one type of pragmatism. There's the idiot sticking with Clinton and Co. pragmatism that you're rightly belittling, and there's the recognition that maybe the way forward is to try and force the Democratic Party to face facts and change.
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Fiction posted:No way she and Bernie don't publicly make nice to each other. Warren sees the writing on the wall and she's up for reelection in 2018. I don't think Warren has to worry, there's no way she can lose to an idiot clown like Curt Sch*separated into 500 pieces by a yuge golden alien noise*
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Hot take internet humor pundit incoming (but drat it was a good feeling purge): https://www.facebook.com/JonathanPieReporter/videos/1044777035645189/ "How poo poo do you have to be to lose to [Trump]?" This thread has moved me past shock, sadness, and terror to anger at the people who hosed this up.
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Deimus posted:And now there is also an auto loan bubble that we all know the working class can't pay off, much like 2008. I'm not in the business now so I'm not up on it like I was, I washed my hands of it because it was loving disgusting, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was. They never stopped with the incentives because fuckin lol make money y'all, and that poo poo is unsustainable at this point. Though it was fun being the guy that hosed over car dealers every day. Fun fact, the only auto manufacturer that actually failed because of SUV sales alone was Porsche, if you can believe it. They were selling the Cayenne SUV at such a rapid pace before the collapse that they were taking the newfound wealth and buying shares of VW in an attempt to take them over. Then the collapse happened, the majority of their sales dried up, and VW bought them out lmao http://www.automobilemag.com/news/porsche-and-volkswagen-what-happened/ Seizure Meat has issued a correction as of 02:28 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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Sir Tonk posted:Bannon has spent his time at breitbart trying to destroy Ryan and McConnell, that would not be a smart move for Trump unless he wanted McConnell to start blocking nominations. I really don't think Congress is going to bend over for Trump to the degree he thinks they will. It will be interesting to see people like Bannon, who have spent years distorting facts and selling total lies to people, come face to face with facts and situations that they can't spin and can't make go away by shouting at it. The lovely part is that we have to live with the consequences of that.
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mrmcd posted:This thread has moved me past shock, sadness, and terror to anger at the people who hosed this up. Welcome to the club. Now then, help me find Robby Mook's house.
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Well What Now posted:There's more than one type of pragmatism. Right. The same type of pragmatism brought to us by Bill Clinton and third-wayism. E: pragmatism has a gross connotation for me. Pragmatism is about helping the party, what we need is the sort of ideological stubbornness that the tea party has. The Kingfish has issued a correction as of 02:29 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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The Kingfish posted:Right. The same type of pragmatism brought to us by Bill Clinton and third-wayism. Bernie Sanders and Keith Ellison, noted third-wayists.
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DaveWoo posted:I've always thought Dean's 50-state strategy was a bit overrated, since it ended up giving us a bunch of blue-dog reps and senators who ultimately ended up getting wiped out in Tea Party waves It's a good idea if you focus on state level races instead of Congress. Dems can actually win in cities and states, but Congress is often a waste of time in super red states.
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Well What Now posted:There's more than one type of pragmatism. yeah seriously being pragmatic and Serious brought us president trump, on both the micro level of the clinton campaign and the macro level of austerity and the financial crisis this doesn't mean you stop being pragmatic, it means you realise what centrists call 'pragmatism' is (frequently sincere) rationalisation of class interest
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Pragmatism has a gross connotation for me. Pragmatism is about helping the party; what we need is the sort of ideological stubbornness that the tea party has.
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Lastgirl posted:I find it pretty hard to see her as part of the feminist movement because she is way more entrenched with the elites. Her status is well above working class people who have to deal with sexual harassment or racism on a daily basis or even frustration for not being able to have a meal on their plate for dinner and it showed through out her campaigning, having private dinners and 500 dollar tickets to see her speak etc. We can appreciate the fact that thirdwayism is completely dead and its time for a democrat populist movement, speaking of which i have no issue with ex-hillbots i want to do my best to disabuse the remaining hillaries of the notion she was a good candidate
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Peel posted:I don't think Warren has to worry, there's no way she can lose to an idiot clown like Curt Sch*separated into 500 pieces by a yuge golden alien noise* If she doesn't take the right side we're going to primary the gently caress out of her. The fact that she went right to the AFL-CIO to make her bent knee speech makes me think she won't, but who really knows.
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comedyblissoption posted:the CTR checks stopped coming in Username: Mitt Romney http://forums.somethingawful.com/member.php?action=getinfo&&userid=87145 Last Post Jul 25, 2016 3:58 PM The 2016 Democratic Party presidential primaries and caucuses were a series of electoral contests organized by the Democratic Party to select the 4,051 delegates to the Democratic National Convention held July 25–28
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SerCypher posted:I can't find my Guillotine. hailthefish posted:Find out when your party has meetings and caucuses and poo poo, on the precinct and county level, and start showing up and saying stuff. but also volunteer to help. They're not going to let you stick around if you just complain in meetings and aren't helping with day to day stuff. Basically start at the lowest level, depending on where you live, and get to know the party operators. It's usually a small group even if you're in a major city and you'll know pretty quick if you're going to get along with them. It may not seem like much, but the super local stuff is where you can actually see your actions change things and it's where the people running for state and federal offices come from.
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Lastgirl posted:While yes, some people were pretty smug about it, I'll ask you to try not to incite some lovely flamewar over some grudge. The election craze will die down and C-SPAM will have some changes, so please consider this moving forward. The hill-bots are thoroughly owned, this much is evident and after a year of twisting the knives and smugly dismissing your opinions, I can understand the sentiment but don't let that devolve the topic thanks in advance~ Any Hillaryman shall be forgiven if they Come to Lenin and accept Karl Marx as their lord & savior.
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HannibalBarca posted:Welcome to the club. Now then, help me find Robby Mook's house. Is he a New Yorker? Because it's pretty easy to find addresses here: https://voterlookup.elections.state.ny.us/
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