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bump_fn posted:no third party has the country-wide infrastructure the dems have. this is why it's so important to try to convince people to own the gently caress-up so they have to acknowledge that they need to change Judging by the experience of UK Labour they won't admit any wrong doing, but they just might be so trash at actual politics an (hopefully) incipient mass movement can beat them and take control of at least some of that infrastructure.
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MJ12 posted:Hey if Trump and centrism are so awful that you can actually run a progressive socialist against Trump and a milquetoast generic Democrat candidate and win against both, go for it. But that's unnecessary risk when it looks like the democratic party is perfectly willing to hand over its infrastructure and tools to said socialist if he can not scare them for long enough. PSL does direct action services for the poor, which is what they're gonna need in the next 2 years. Unless the Democrats get taken over by radical socialists, they're not going to be starting up any soup kitchens.
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Atrocious Joe posted:Judging by the experience of UK Labour they won't admit any wrong doing, but they just might be so trash at actual politics an (hopefully) incipient mass movement can beat them and take control of at least some of that infrastructure. an incipient mass movement just did my friend........... ok now you go
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bump_fn posted:what's the DSA exactly? is it a separate organization that's democratic party affiliated? they're one of a few socialist parties in the US, I believe the largest. no affiliation with the democratic party, tho they do mostly endorse them (mistakenly sometimes, I think). they probably aren't as far left as parties like the PSL, but they're more active in my area.
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one of the threads in C-spam is already scaring me, people are talking about buying guns and saying trump will commit genocide. someone is also going insane. i think the dems are already preparing for their grave.
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the dsa function more like an interest group than anything else. for that reason i'm suspect of them but also who gives a poo poo, i'll take what i can get
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Homework Explainer posted:it's not a .gif buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut same
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bernie just sent me an email about keith ellison for DNC chair so keep an eye out for that friends
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Cyron posted:one of the threads in C-spam is already scaring me, people are talking about buying guns and saying trump will commit genocide. The Gay Communist Gun Club is good, friend.
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The Twin Cities DSA chapter endorsed a loving pirate named Captain Jack Sparrow for Hennepin County Commissioner. You gotta be loving kidding me.
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MJ12 posted:Bill Clinton and third-wayism were run, and worked at the time, because people were scared of socialism, scared of 'leftism,' and scared of anti-business redistribution so it was basically what they saw as the only way you could shift things to the left a bit-and in some real ways it worked. A populist progressive firebrand trying to run on a Sanders-like ticket in 1992 or 1996, during an economic boom where everyone was getting rich would be a longshot. Maybe the party should have gotten the message in 2004 that the Republicans are going to be better at being centrist and pandering to right-wing fears than you are most of the time, and Bill definitely sowed the wind that led to Hillary reaping the whirlwind, but like, not every long-term mistake is some sort of malicious evil or gross incompetence. As someone who voted Hillary in the NY primary, I will say they/we hosed up in not hearing the alarm bells going off when Sanders did unexpectedly well in rural and rustbelt states. The Obama coalition was coming apart, and Hillary did gently caress all to put it back together. Part of the reason was her arrogance in just treating Sanders like a pesky and uninvited challenger, and part of it was the distraction of the horror show unfolding on the Republican side. I do think there's equally plausible timelines where Sanders could have won the general handily, or Clinton could've noticed what was going on and made a real effort to fix it was too late. We don't live on those timelines though, we live on the one where everybody laughed at the Trump clown show while worshiping Mook's infallible GOTV supercomputer, and here we are. The people who hosed this up have to be held accountable and cannot be in charge anymore, lest they attempt to shoot us all in the foot a second or third time.
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Cyron posted:one of the threads in C-spam is already scaring me, people are talking about buying guns and saying trump will commit genocide. someone is also going insane. i think the dems are already preparing for their grave. which one, everything is a mess rn 
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Not a Step posted:Democrats need to realize middle America is a must win group and find ways to consistently bring them on board. Obama did it twice! The electorate is already out there! They aren't even the racist boogeymen the WokeLords are crying about. They just want someone to give a poo poo about their dead unions and dying towns, and maybe recognize that all of civilization is not found within 50 miles of an ocean. Also black people, latinos, asians, muslims, students, and lgbtq people all live in Rust belt states too and are under daily attack by their lovely state government. The Dems have been trash at inspiring them and turning them out, especially with GOP voter suppression. Hell, Pence caused a loving HIV outbreak and the Michigan gov poisoned the drinking water but all we heard about for the last few weeks from the Clinton campaign was "Russian subervision" Al! posted:an incipient mass movement just did my friend........... ok now you go Trump steamrolling everyone out of nowhere is a pretty good indicator that the political class is out of touch
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Fiction posted:Like I know all of you are having a good ol time playing the I-told-you-so game but unless you try to have a dialogue with people you know in frank terms you're just going to circle back to the mess we're now in. You know, if the Dems could apply this mindset to the voters D&D seems to despise I think they'd really have a chance But I think most of them just like being angry at things
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So who the gently caress do I email about making Ellison chair?
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Lastgirl posted:which one, everything is a mess rn me, he thinks it's me
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mrmcd posted:As someone who voted Hillary in the NY primary, I will say they/we hosed up in not hearing the alarm bells going off when Sanders did unexpectedly well in rural and rustbelt states. The Obama coalition was coming apart, and Hillary did gently caress all to put it back together. Part of the reason was her arrogance in just treating Sanders like a pesky and uninvited challenger, and part of it was the distraction of the horror show unfolding on the Republican side. Don't leave out how the DNC was complicit in stacking the deck against Sanders during the primaries, needlessly, and how the revelations of that corruption probably suppressed turnout.
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Larry Parrish posted:Why take over the Democratic Party when you can shatter the two party system. FIRST PAST THE POST VOTING DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY GOODNIGHT!
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Grand Theft Autobot posted:So who the gently caress do I email about making Ellison chair? i'm working on The List
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Cyron posted:one of the threads in C-spam is already scaring me, people are talking about buying guns and saying trump will commit genocide. someone is also going insane. i think the dems are already preparing for their grave. That thread is loving insane and bad for everyone's mental health.
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mrmcd posted:As someone who voted Hillary in the NY primary, I will say they/we hosed up in not hearing the alarm bells going off when Sanders did unexpectedly well in rural and rustbelt states. The Obama coalition was coming apart, and Hillary did gently caress all to put it back together. Part of the reason was her arrogance in just treating Sanders like a pesky and uninvited challenger, and part of it was the distraction of the horror show unfolding on the Republican side. I agree with everything you said. The leadership needs a shakeup, there needs to be accountability. There were many mistakes that could have been avoided. But there's a difference between acknowledging mistakes and working to fix them, and acknowledging error and doing a better job next time, and like, circular firing squad mentality. And I just want people to keep doing the former while avoiding the latter. Pener Kropoopkin posted:Don't leave out how the DNC was complicit in stacking the deck against Sanders during the primaries, needlessly, and how the revelations of that corruption probably suppressed turnout. That was a really dumb own-goal, huh. Like, I'm going to maintain that mistakes and fuckups are the default state of any complicated adversarial affair, but that was a dumb own-goal because it was also totally unnecessary. MJ12 has issued a correction as of 03:44 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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NecroMonster posted:me, he thinks it's me dude i have a mental disability too and i am scared, please don't just sit in your filth waiting for the death wragon. this sucks but we can make though this.
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People in this thread who are saying Clinton lost because she overextended her ground game... Just want to give you guys a heads up... That's exactly the kind of thinking dems resorted to after Gore lost, and it's what led to Kerry's loss after that. Don't make that same mistake too, for gently caress's sake. Yeah she should've gone to Wisconsin and not been an idiot about the "blue wall" states but it was a good idea to target FL and NC. She lost NC by roughly the same number of votes she lost Pennsylvania. It's a vital state for Democrats to target for the long term as it'll be basically another Virginia in a cycle or two. AZ shows promise as well. That's not the reason she lost. Youth turnout was the reason she lost. If she'd gotten the same kind of youth turnout Obama did in 2012 she would've won all three rustbelt states she lost and we wouldn't be having this conversation. Probably the whole "let them eat cake" college debt policy and "not universal healthcare" healthcare policy is what killed her there. And hiring DWS on her campaign. And Tim Kaine. And the arrogant comments about Sanders supporters... Bodyholes has issued a correction as of 03:50 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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In all of the craziness of the election, I totally forgot that the choices of a republican governor literally poisoned an entire city. HOW THE gently caress DO YOU NOT HAMMER THAT poo poo HOME!? It could literally happen to any city. If the bar is so low that you can promise that you will provide a safe drinking water system, poo poo should be in the bag. I'm seeing red right now.
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Zikan posted:i'm working on The List ...of jericho? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQXGa6N10Nk
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CheesyDog posted:I talked about wondering how millennials were going to handle regression of social issues in one of these drat threads, and it's not looking good... Pener Kropoopkin posted:The Gay Communist Gun Club is good, friend. These posts go great together
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Cyron posted:dude i have a mental disability too and i am scared, please don't just sit in your filth waiting for the death wragon. this sucks but we can make though this. i sympathize, i really do, i don't mean to sound facetious or false here i am being dead honest and i don't want to hurt you or anyone else more than they are already hurting
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Optimus Subprime posted:In all of the craziness of the election, I totally forgot that the choices of a republican governor literally poisoned an entire city. HOW THE gently caress DO YOU NOT HAMMER THAT poo poo HOME!? It could literally happen to any city. If the bar is so low that you can promise that you will provide a safe drinking water system, poo poo should be in the bag. I'm seeing red right now. "lol who cares with those people with bad food" -DNC
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Mental-Rectangle posted:people in this thread who are saying Clinton lost because she overextended her ground game The problem wasn't that she overextended her ground game, obviously, it's that it wasn't extended to the dang Rust Belt.
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Not a Step posted:The mood right now is that Democrats seem to be incapable of realizing they need more than blue coastal strongholds to govern the country. People are still screaming about the popular vote and not realizing that running up the score in California and New York doesn't mean a goddamn thing if you lose the entire Rust Belt because you somehow forgot to make it a priority. I agree, but I also think that part of the reason it's an issue is that anyone who can get out of the Midwest has been doing so the last several years (or concentrating in Midwest urban centers like Chicago). My brother, sister and I are all 25-30 years old, grew up in Michigan (SE even, which has more going for it than a lot of the Midwest by comparison), went to school in the state, and my sister and I did grad school in the Midwest and had jobs in that part of the country for a while. Within the last year and a half all three us have moved to either the East or West Coasts. I'd love to go back to my home and raise a family there, but there's just more out here for my wife and me. A lot of people my age are leaving the Midwest because there's nothing there, but there's nothing there because everyone is leaving. So the cycle perpetuates.
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Doorknob Slobber posted:from the other thread here: https://go.berniesanders.com/page/s/keith-ellison-dnc the link to support keith ellison for chair oh god damnit sanders
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Clinton had no ground game in the places where it mattered. She left the Wisconsin and Florida senate races out to dry. Where did all of the money go?
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Don't leave out how the DNC was complicit in stacking the deck against Sanders during the primaries, needlessly, and how the revelations of that corruption probably suppressed turnout. I mean as long as super-delegates remain a thing, winning the Democratic primary is gonna be partly convincing voters, and partly convincing party officials. Obama understood that in 2008 and beat Hillary at that game. Hillary beat Sanders at it in 2016. Beyond that, holy poo poo people heavily involved in party politics have favorite candidates and talk poo poo on email?? I will admit she probably hosed up messaging on it though.
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mrmcd posted:As someone who voted Hillary in the NY primary, I will say they/we hosed up in not hearing the alarm bells going off when Sanders did unexpectedly well in rural and rustbelt states. The Obama coalition was coming apart, and Hillary did gently caress all to put it back together. Part of the reason was her arrogance in just treating Sanders like a pesky and uninvited challenger, and part of it was the distraction of the horror show unfolding on the Republican side. I don't think the Obama coalition really even fell apart, as much as it was never activated. If Hillary had done literally anything other than run up the score in blue strongholds and fantasize about blue Arizona I really think she had a golden chance to grow the coalition, rather than see it collapse and hand Trump the Presidency. Trump was a real stark choice and an opportunity for the Democratic Party to use as a contrast for their own platform of growth and recovery or whatever. Instead Hillary almost entirely defined herself as 'Not Trump' and had no grand plans or visions for America. Apparently because she didn't want to risk alienating anyone by being *for* things - probably after watching Bernie get lambasted for being *for* economic justice which translated to *against* racial justice because reasons. They didn't vote for Hillary because Hillary never asked them to, or gave them a reason to vote for her beyond 'Not Trump', and it turns out thats just not enough.
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Optimus Subprime posted:We'll know we're really boned when the next democratic candidate doesn't campaign on expanding medicare on the corpse of the ACA. I can't decide if I'm in the Let's retake the country, gently caress this country I'm moving to Amsterdam/the Moon, or burn and salt the Earth camp but I would like to do what the gently caress ever possible to not die in the next 2 years so, in the mean time, let's stack the DNC with Atheist/Muslim/Hindi socialists.
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Optimus Subprime posted:Clinton had no ground game in the places where it mattered. She left the Wisconsin and Florida senate races out to dry. Where did all of the money go? Into the confetti cannons they had to send back.
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Optimus Subprime posted:In all of the craziness of the election, I totally forgot that the choices of a republican governor literally poisoned an entire city. HOW THE gently caress DO YOU NOT HAMMER THAT poo poo HOME!? It could literally happen to any city. If the bar is so low that you can promise that you will provide a safe drinking water system, poo poo should be in the bag. I'm seeing red right now. tbf the problem completely went away after some Priztkers donated a bit of cash jk they are still using bottled water every day the story of a multi racial blue collar community being destroyed by de industrialization and then poisoned by privatization is apparently unappealing to Dem strategists
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