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Clinton surrounded herself with a sycophant echo chamber and look how that ended up.
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Oh Holy poo poo, Ivanka Trump is in charge of decorating the White House edit: They're gonna put Gold EVERYWHERE.
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Nov 11, 2016 05:13
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Fojar38 posted:Because they need it and even if they did nuke it it wouldn't stop the Democrats from having influence in the senate. All it takes is one GOP representative to say "no" and their simple majority is gone and they suddenly need Dem support. Unless I'm missing something, one single defection would render the Senate 50-50 and would just mean Vice President Whiplash would spend all day every day in the Senate instead of in his evil conversion therapy lair? Rated PG-34 posted:Clinton surrounded herself with a sycophant echo chamber and look how that ended up. I mean, so did Bernie; the influence of Jeff Weaver on his campaign was hilariously destructive. This is pretty much normal for political campaigns in general.
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Quorum posted:Unless I'm missing something, one single defection would render the Senate 50-50 and would just mean Vice President Whiplash would spend all day every day in the Senate instead of in his evil conversion therapy lair? 2 then, and this isn't unbelievable because as I've been saying repeatedly, the GOP is not unified. Boehner resigned for a reason.
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Nov 11, 2016 05:15
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ErIog posted:Why? Once it's gone there is no excuses they own every lovely thing that passed 100%
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Nov 11, 2016 05:14
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Obama lucked the gently caress out with his team. Or was better at choosing, more accurately. Bernie kinda has slim pickings choose from though.
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Nov 11, 2016 05:14
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disjoe posted:Sure, I'm glad to deliver (slightly) good news: So they didn't mind throwing minorities under the bus because they knew the violence would never visit them, so they tacitly supported it. Voting isn't a la carte.
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Nov 11, 2016 05:15
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By the way I am very willing to admit that I underestimated the power of the meme this election. Net-game needs to coincide with ground-game going forward. (This is something Obama pioneered)
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Nov 11, 2016 05:16
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Rated PG-34 posted:I never said that this was an echo chamber. I'm saying that if you purge merely on ideology, you will end up with one. If you read the internal nazi memos, they all thought their ideology was double plus good too. Echo chambers are bad news. remind me again how well open, fair, and reasoned debate with the nazis went in 1930's germany.
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Nov 11, 2016 05:17
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greatn posted:Obama lucked the gently caress out with his team. Or was better at choosing, more accurately. Particularly given that the way for HRC was cleared well in advance of the primary season.
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Nov 11, 2016 05:16
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PKJC posted:The problem I am speaking to is not posters saying "Dems need to ignore minorities" but rather posts that have been directed at posters who are minorities saying they were somehow at fault for this result for not reaching out to and educating and coddling the feelings of racist whites. People were victim blaming minorities for allowing Trump to happen because they don't want to interact with the people who would rather see them dead, I think it is plain why that is an unreasonable view that needs to be stomped on and rejected as bigotry. Hell, people still are. There are posters that have been screaming at anyone that voted Hillary in the general, particularly minorities, for daring to lose the election, while also claiming they did the moral thing of note voting against Trump at all. If you go back to shortly after the election was called in the election thread, you will find a whole collection of people blaming quite literally anyone but white men for Trump, including the white men that voted for him. You'll find lots of posts talking about how bad 'identity politics' are. A minor derail about how women politicians can't be trusted and women in general can't be trusted to vote right, which has occasionally cropped up as 'but why didn't the white women'? repeatedly. And then every ten pages or so, someone new joins the thread and starts telling people responding to this that they're just labeling everyone who wants to address economic concerns as racists and are being bad for being angry. It's loving exhausting.
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Nov 11, 2016 05:16
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negromancer posted:So they didn't mind throwing minorities under the bus because they knew the violence would never visit them, so they tacitly supported it. Basically.
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Nov 11, 2016 05:17
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Rated PG-34 posted:Clinton surrounded herself with a sycophant echo chamber and look how that ended up. I can guarantee that she didn't lose the election because of an absence of nazis and klansmen in her inner circle, though you are free to disagree.
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Nov 11, 2016 05:17
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Potato Salad posted:Particularly given that the way for HRC was cleared well in advance of the primary season. It's not like people were told "Don't work for anyone else or else". She just hired all the "good" people. If Bernie announced earlier he would have had more options.
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Nov 11, 2016 05:19
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Sharkopath posted:Don't worry, Ryan is already planning on destroying medicare entirely and replacing it with private carriers lmao. They're gonna make Obamacare into Medicare for all by making Medicare Obamacare checkmate, libs
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Nov 11, 2016 05:18
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Fojar38 posted:By the way I am very willing to admit that I underestimated the power of the meme this election. Net-game needs to coincide with ground-game going forward. (This is something Obama pioneered) Maybe the next candidate shouldn't tweet poo poo like "Describe how you feel about student loan debt using emojis"
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Nov 11, 2016 05:19
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kartikeya posted:Hell, people still are. There are posters that have been screaming at anyone that voted Hillary in the general, particularly minorities, for daring to lose the election, while also claiming they did the moral thing of note voting against Trump at all. If you go back to shortly after the election was called in the election thread, you will find a whole collection of people blaming quite literally anyone but white men for Trump, including the white men that voted for him. You'll find lots of posts talking about how bad 'identity politics' are. A minor derail about how women politicians can't be trusted and women in general can't be trusted to vote right, which has occasionally cropped up as 'but why didn't the white women'? repeatedly. Yeah, agreed, I've posted far too many times on the subject because it keeps coming up. Is sunk post fallacy a thing?
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Nov 11, 2016 05:19
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Monaghan posted:Maybe the next candidate shouldn't tweet poo poo like "Describe how you feel about student loan debt using emojis" She had some gems like "delete your account."
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Nov 11, 2016 05:20
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:They're gonna make Obamacare into Medicare for all by making Medicare Obamacare I would laugh pretty hard if Republicans decided to get revenge against Democrats co-opting their platform by stealing the liberal platform.
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Nov 11, 2016 05:19
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Deadly Ham Sandwich posted:I would laugh pretty hard if Republicans decided to get revenge against Democrats co-opting their platform by stealing the liberal platform. I can get behind this kind of ownage.
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Nov 11, 2016 05:21
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negromancer posted:So they didn't mind throwing minorities under the bus because they knew the violence would never visit them, so they tacitly supported it. Right but it means with the right economic message you can win those voters over without abandoning your social issues.
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Nov 11, 2016 05:19
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pocket pool posted:Unless they plan on literally winning forever... Yes, between making it harder to vote and schemes that apportion EC votes by congressional district and packing the court with Scalia clones to rubber stamp it all this is precisely what their plan is. pocket pool posted:It is a risky move that could boomerang back to hurt them. You could have said this about refusing to fill the vacant SCOTUS seat. The GOP, in the absence of a cohesive strategy for winning over a majority of the American people, will push absolutely every single they advantage they can while they are able. The last time this configuration of government happened for that party was 1928. This is a wet dream kind of scenario for most conservatives. They're going to lose their minds. Winkie01 posted:Once it's gone there is no excuses they own every lovely thing that passed 100% They lie to their base and the American people all the time. They'll pull a different excuse out of thin air. The base was already quite pissed Obamacare wasn't repealed already through reconciliation. That's why Ted Cruz was #2 after Trump. ErIog fucked around with this message at 05:23 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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Nov 11, 2016 05:21
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Monaghan posted:Maybe the next candidate shouldn't tweet poo poo like "Describe how you feel about student loan debt using emojis" This way you don't have to hear a millennial speak
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Nov 11, 2016 05:20
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negromancer posted:So they didn't mind throwing minorities under the bus because they knew the violence would never visit them, so they tacitly supported it. But remember, it's not racist if you give power to the guy who says he's gonna gently caress up all the brown people. It's only racist if you, personally, call someone a rude name (and even then it's not racist if they made you mad first).
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Nov 11, 2016 05:21
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Here's some positive news for y'all: Maine is no longer FPTP https://twitter.com/democracynow/status/796919153353486336
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Nov 11, 2016 05:22
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ErIog posted:You could have said this about refusing to fill the vacant SCOTUS seat. The GOP, in the absence of a cohesive strategy for winning over a majority of the American people, will push absolutely every single they advantage they can while they are able. The last time this configuration of government happened for that party was 1928. They're going to eat each other alive arguing over what should be done with this power actually and senate Democrats are going to get to pick who to support.
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Nov 11, 2016 05:21
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I would like to propose the radical idea that there is actually a medium between echo chamber and 'let's listen to what the Nazis have to say'. Because I kind've draw the line at actual Nazis and think that's a good idea.
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Nov 11, 2016 05:21
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Colin Mockery posted:But remember, it's not racist if you give power to the guy who says he's gonna gently caress up all the brown people. Also calling someone racist is the most racist. The maximum racism.
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Nov 11, 2016 05:22
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disjoe posted:Right but it means with the right economic message you can win those voters over without abandoning your social issues. Not if those voters think that economic message applies to anyone but white people. Yall really, REALLY underestimate how lovely white people have been in America, mostly because those same lovely people also write the textbooks you read in school.
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Nov 11, 2016 05:23
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I found the first draft of Obama's letter to Trump that he'll leave in the oval office: Dear President Trump, Please don't throw me in the briar patch. Sincerely, Barry Soetero
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Nov 11, 2016 05:23
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HorseRenoir posted:Here's some positive news for y'all: Maine is no longer FPTP Bu-wuuuuuuuh! In the U-S-of-A?
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Nov 11, 2016 05:23
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Colin Mockery posted:But remember, it's not racist if you give power to the guy who says he's gonna gently caress up all the brown people. And even then it's not racist because it probably didn't happen we all know how those browns like to lie and cheat all the time. Hysteria!
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Nov 11, 2016 05:23
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greatn posted:I found the first draft of Obama's letter to Trump that he'll leave in the oval office: Now that he's won he seems to be more congenial towards his opponents actually, but we don't know for sure yet. He's complimented both Clinton and Obama in the past 24 hours.
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Nov 11, 2016 05:24
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Sharkopath posted:Don't worry, Ryan is already planning on destroying medicare entirely and replacing it with private carriers lmao. Trump did not run on this. Surprise WWC idiots!!!
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Nov 11, 2016 05:25
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negromancer posted:Go tell that to these minorities then. What can be done about this? It's so awful and disgusting. I sent a bunch of examples like this to my conservative parents to try and get them to see the other side (and asked them to send me anything they want and I'll look at it). But this is just terrible. Maybe a dumb question, but is there any (*ANY*) chance that Trump gets in front of this? I have no expectations he will, because he never has before, but he needs to get out in front of this now.
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Nov 11, 2016 05:24
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Is Bernie still a Democrat or is he going back to being an Independent?
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Nov 11, 2016 05:24
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disjoe posted:Sure, I'm glad to deliver (slightly) good news: "People make terrible, terrible decision while knowing it is terrible" somehow doesn't strike me as good news. That means they are pretty okay with blatant racism as long as get promised the fuckin' moon.
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Nov 11, 2016 05:25
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Fojar38 posted:Now that he's won he seems to be more congenial towards his opponents actually, but we don't know for sure yet. He's complimented both Clinton and Obama in the past 24 hours. He's won but also does not actually have the keys to the kingdom yet, any appearance of congeniality is suspect until inauguration at the earliest.
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Nov 11, 2016 05:25
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negromancer posted:Not if those voters think that economic message applies to anyone but white people. You're more than likely right, but I'd like to see an economic populist actually run before saying they'd refuse if it could benefit minorities. [
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Fojar38 posted:They're going to eat each other alive arguing over what should be done with this power actually and senate Democrats are going to get to pick who to support. It's a possibility. It would be really hilarious if Ryan lost his speakership.
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