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Sharkopath posted:Know rural people? Have you had a extended conversation with them. At all?
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negromancer posted:Not if those voters think that economic message applies to anyone but white people. Your posting has had me re-enforce that the Middle class is a really lovely demographic.
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:What can be done about this? It's so awful and disgusting. I sent a bunch of examples like this to my conservative parents to try and get them to see the other side (and asked them to send me anything they want and I'll look at it). But this is just terrible. Maybe a dumb question, but is there any (*ANY*) chance that Trump gets in front of this? I have no expectations he will, because he never has before, but he needs to get out in front of this now. Well, what could have been done is white liberals actually putting boot to rear end of their racist relatives and friends instead of coddling their white fragility, and actually voting instead of staying at home because Hillary didn't pass some "purity test", so now aint really poo poo to do except for the boot to rear end part, which now may have to be literal instead of metaphorical.
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Fojar38 posted:Now that he's won he seems to be more congenial towards his opponents actually, but we don't know for sure yet. He's complimented both Clinton and Obama in the past 24 hours. Trump is bipolar as gently caress, his opinion on a person is directly related to how positive his last interaction was with them.
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Odobenidae posted:remind me again how well open, fair, and reasoned debate with the nazis went in 1930's germany. There wasn't any.  In 1937, the state department described the nazi regime as moderate and tacitly supported their rise, since authoritarian regimes are in the US elite interest. They probably could've stopped the war too.
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:What can be done about this? It's so awful and disgusting. I sent a bunch of examples like this to my conservative parents to try and get them to see the other side (and asked them to send me anything they want and I'll look at it). But this is just terrible. Maybe a dumb question, but is there any (*ANY*) chance that Trump gets in front of this? I have no expectations he will, because he never has before, but he needs to get out in front of this now. Look at the 2 tweets involving the video of the Trump voter getting beaten. That is how you can expect Trump and every other Republican to react to any reports of this. Point to that one thing over and over and over again and try their damnedest to dismiss every bad thing that is done by anyone on their team.
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ErIog posted:Yes, between making it harder to vote and schemes that apportion EC votes by congressional district and packing the court with Scalia clones to rubber stamp it all this is precisely what their plan is. Not as much because the outcome they were looking for in that scenario was 50-50 (a Republican winning the election) so it was a reasonable gamble. Despite all of the doom and gloom here they will not retain this kind of control forever and removing the filibuster isn't even necessary: they've touted other methods of bypassing the filibuster using procedural shenanigans.
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Odobenidae posted:I can guarantee that she didn't lose the election because of an absence of nazis and klansmen in her inner circle, though you are free to disagree. Nice straw man.
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God I just realized that not only could the GOP try to roll back SSM but conversion therapy may come roaring back with a vengeance.  El Pollo Blanco posted:Are you sure abortion access will remain the same? Assuming Pence gets his wish and a conservative Supreme Court overturns roe v wade, it'll be up to the states to decide, and unless you live in a state with a dem governor/dem majority state legislature, abortion may be banned at state level? Abortion is not going to be 'states decide' it is going to be banned at the Federal level and anyone who thinks the GOP will follow "state's rights" for anything they don't like hasn't paid attention to pretty much anything the GOP actually does. Zonekeeper posted:Agreed on all counts. Trump has repeatedly said he wants one of [conservative PAC-written list of right wing judges] to take the spot. If he nominates some Heritage Foundation-approved judge the GOP is going to be 100% behind him on it. Zeeman posted:Literally every single thing he accused Clinton of, he did: https://twitter.com/fmanjoo/status/796904035253030912 The media deserves worse than whatever Trump wants to do to them. The pathetic thing is if he actually does try to loosen libel laws and do other horrific things to free speech the media is still going to probably treat him the same. RaySmuckles posted:actually i think he's talking about the LF purge which pushed out all the people on the left, leaving this forum full of people who see "let's make everything economically better for everyone" as racist. Maybe LFers shouldn't have said poo poo that resulted in the secret service contacting Lowtax.  WhiskeyJuvenile posted:So manufacturing jobs aren't coming back, but if Congress gives Trump he infrastructure bill they wouldn't give Obama, that's a ton of construction jobs I'd say the GOP needs to raise taxes to pay for it but they really don't. The US could go pretty heavy on deficit and it's not like China would rush to collect and risk it causing any backlash to their own economy. They have various social programs to take money from too. Like education and science. 
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PKJC posted:He's won but also does not actually have the keys to the kingdom yet, any appearance of congeniality is suspect until inauguration at the earliest. He does have a pattern of mellowing out after establishing dominance.
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Nov 11, 2016 05:28
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Admiral Ray posted:"People make terrible, terrible decision while knowing it is terrible" somehow doesn't strike me as good news. That means they are pretty okay with blatant racism as long as get promised the fuckin' moon. I don't give a poo poo about their dumb motivations. Sure, they're cold, uncaring people. I give a poo poo about the possibility of them voting for a candidate that can deliver real progressive results both culturally and economically. If race was the motivating factor, pursuing their votes would be a lost cause. This shows that economics was instead.
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Evil Fluffy posted:I'd say the GOP needs to raise taxes to pay for it but they really don't. The US could go pretty heavy on deficit and it's not like China would rush to collect and risk it causing any backlash to their own economy. They have various social programs to take money from too. Like education and science. China cannot do this and that is now how US government bonds work.
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The five people who legalized ssm are still on the court. Just gotta hope they don't die.
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Fojar38 posted:He does have a pattern of mellowing out after establishing dominance. While we're on his patterns they also include bankruptcy, extreme pettiness over perceived slights, and discrimination against black people, on multiple occasions, despite courts telling him to knock it the gently caress off
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SoggyBobcat posted:Is Bernie still a Democrat or is he going back to being an Independent? Are you kidding me? He's one of the new party leaders.
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greatn posted:The five people who legalized ssm are still on the court. Just gotta hope they don't die. I have confidence that Darth Ginsberg will channel sufficient hate to keep herself alive for the next 4 years. PKJC posted:While we're on his patterns they also include bankruptcy, extreme pettiness over perceived slights, and discrimination against black people, on multiple occasions, despite courts telling him to knock it the gently caress off These are true but they'll ruin him as President.
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disjoe posted:I don't give a poo poo about their dumb motivations. Sure, they're cold, uncaring people. I give a poo poo about the possibility of them voting for a candidate that can deliver real progressive results both culturally and economically. If race was the motivating factor, pursuing their votes would be a lost cause. This shows that economics was instead. Except the average Trump voter had a higher than median income, so try again.
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:What can be done about this? It's so awful and disgusting. I sent a bunch of examples like this to my conservative parents to try and get them to see the other side (and asked them to send me anything they want and I'll look at it). But this is just terrible. Maybe a dumb question, but is there any (*ANY*) chance that Trump gets in front of this? I have no expectations he will, because he never has before, but he needs to get out in front of this now. Be loud. Protect those near you. Hammer people over and over with reality, no matter how often they talk about how obviously that's all just made up. Mention it every single drat time that stupid Trump supporter getting kicked video gets posted (you will have many opportunities for this). Don't be quiet when someone says something slightly racist or bigoted for the sake of temporary harmony. And perhaps most importantly, and possibly most difficult, when minorities start talking about this kind of thing, or their anger, or their struggles, or how they have a really hard time trusting white people, even those on their side? ...Swallow that instinct to defend yourself, and listen. Listen to what they say, and remember it. Also make sure every last person on earth knows what the gently caress goes on in things like conversion therapy. If Trump's Deportation Force comes beating down your neighbor's door, make sure the whole drat world sees that poo poo. Edit: Also, no, sorry, there's no chance. Trump smiled and egged his supporters on every single time he could have previously.
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Fojar38 posted:These are true but they'll ruin him as President. Cold comfort to all the people who will be newly poor, or poorer than they already were, or dead, as a result of those failings of his. e: And actually what you say isn't even a given because they sure as hell didn't ruin him as a candidate.
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Nov 11, 2016 05:34
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Potato Salad posted:Bernie email: Stop coddling the racists
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His Divine Shadow posted:Stop coddling the racists By trying to put a black Muslim in charge of the party?
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kartikeya posted:I would like to propose the radical idea that there is actually a medium between echo chamber and 'let's listen to what the Nazis have to say'. Because I kind've draw the line at actual Nazis and think that's a good idea. The problem is how do you recognize ideology X as bad. Do we really trust our benevolent mods to be able to identify good/bad ideologies. What if they too are blinded by ideology?
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Mantis42 posted:Are you kidding me? He's one of the new party leaders. So is Hilary 100% poison now or is she entrenched enough in the DNC to survive?
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Nov 11, 2016 05:36
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Vox Nihili posted:To be fair, some relatively small tweaks to Obamacare would have improved it a whole ton. Most legislation needs changes over time. Single Payer is the deadest, dumbest issue to try to get behind. It lost by 60 points in Colorado. 60 Points. In a Blue State.
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PKJC posted:Cold comfort to all the people who will be newly poor, or poorer than they already were, or dead, as a result of those failings of his. Campaigning is way easier than governing and Trump has no clue what horrors await him.
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negromancer posted:Except the average Trump voter had a higher than median income, so try again. The places that Clinton lost that were supposed to be for sure are the result, so the analysis goes, of economic anxiety and feeling insulated against the worst that could happen.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:So is Hilary 100% poison now or is she entrenched enough in the DNC to survive? Her experience governing didn't disappear overnight and experience is still something Bernie lacks; she would make a very useful advisor.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:So is Hilary 100% poison now or is she entrenched enough in the DNC to survive? She'll still be invited to stuff and be an inspirational speaker and poo poo, but politically she is probably done.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:So is Hilary 100% poison now or is she entrenched enough in the DNC to survive? I'm betting that she'll try to run in 2020.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:So is Hilary 100% poison now or is she entrenched enough in the DNC to survive? There's gonna be a picture of her pumping gas 3 weeks from now while Bill sits in the passnger seat texting Colin Powell about the newest bimbo he's dicking down.
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It's not about listening to the Nazis who voted for Trump, its about listening to the middle Americans who voted for Obama. You know all those neat stories about random people in Vermont who have personal experiences with Bernie, how he's like a neighbor to them? Hillary never had people tell stories like that because she was too busy giving speeches to Goldman Sachs. To the enemy.
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Mantis42 posted:Are you kidding me? He's one of the new party leaders.
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Rated PG-34 posted:Nice straw man. no it's not you debate club dork we're talking about allowing nazis to participate in discussion, try to keep up
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Evil Fluffy posted:God I just realized that not only could the GOP try to roll back SSM but conversion therapy may come roaring back with a vengeance. Only now twigging to it? Anyone who doesn't pass the paper bag test WILL be shot in the streets by the national guard. White queers will be arrested and indefinitely detained in conversion camps, with the methods getting increasingly violent as people hold out on renouncing their identity. This is it. Democracy has ended; every Republican is absolutely committed to this course of action and there is no way out but open civil war.
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Mantis42 posted:It's not about listening to the Nazis who voted for Trump, its about listening to the middle Americans who voted for Obama. You know all those neat stories about random people in Vermont who have personal experiences with Bernie, how he's like a neighbor to them? Hillary never had people tell stories like that because she was too busy giving speeches to Goldman Sachs. To the enemy. She has a bunch of those stories actually and I saw lots of videos of people like this. For example a black orphan who grew up in foster care she reformed and became a foster dad, or the disabled girl who became her personal assistant. Or a new York guy who got cancer or something and wrote to her and she got a doctor to treat him cheap.
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Fojar38 posted:Campaigning is way easier than governing and Trump has no clue what horrors await him. I would argue that it's the opposite and we don't know what horrors await us.
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Fojar38 posted:Campaigning is way easier than governing and Trump has no clue what horrors await him. He is going to be hated more than he has ever been hated before and in ways he can't even imagine. I say that not as a threat, but as a fact: Just look at how Obama was treated, and George W. Bush. I don't know what it was like before those two (because I was too young), but I do know that in these modern times presidency puts you in the prime place to be blamed for everything that goes wrong ever and that the American public is cruel as it is fickle.
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Monaghan posted:I'm betting that she'll try to run in 2020.
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SoggyBobcat posted:Well, yeah, but I mean officially. Wikipedia says he's back to being an Independent, so it's just kinda strange for him to advocate for Keith Ellison to become the chairperson of a party he's not actually a member of. Even if that's the case it doesn't really benefit the DNC to say "Hey don't get involved in our poo poo anymore" because Bernie is still popular and it's not like his policies are diametrically opposed to all of theirs. They benefit by having him speak up in this way regardless of whether he officially goes back to being Independent.
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Fojar38 posted:Her experience governing didn't disappear overnight and experience is still something Bernie lacks; she would make a very useful advisor. Someday in early 2021, President Gabbard will receive a telephone call from a federal penitentiary and just smile knowingly as she declines the call.
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