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negromancer posted:Except the average Trump voter had a higher than median income, so try again. THAT'S THE POINT. People in the rust belt voted for Trump because they were low income and saw no hope voting for Clinton, so they picked Trump. They're statistically different from the rest of Trump's supporters and share more commonalities on paper with Democratic voters so they're easy to pick off come next election.
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Mantis42 posted:It's not about listening to the Nazis who voted for Trump, its about listening to the middle Americans who voted for Obama. You know all those neat stories about random people in Vermont who have personal experiences with Bernie, how he's like a neighbor to them? Hillary never had people tell stories like that because she was too busy giving speeches to Goldman Sachs. To the enemy. Yes she did, dude, come on. That was easily half of her campaign videos. Rated PG-34 posted:The problem is how do you recognize ideology X as bad. Do we really trust our benevolent mods to be able to identify good/bad ideologies. What if they too are blinded by ideology? It's pretty easy to recognize Nazi ideology as bad because it's stuff like 'whites are the master race' and 'all minorities should probably get dead' and 'Hitler was actually pretty cool' and 'the Holocaust never happened'.
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Evil Fluffy posted:I'd say the GOP needs to raise taxes to pay for it but they really don't. The US could go pretty heavy on deficit and it's not like China would rush to collect and risk it causing any backlash to their own economy. They have various social programs to take money from too. Like education and science. Pffft nonsense, the secret service probably contacted Lowtax to congratulate him on creating such a nice, civil forum for conservative political discourse and then that lefty liberal Lowtax was like "there are conservatives on the forums???" and donned his hammer-and-sickle emblazoned commissar's cap
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Odobenidae posted:no it's not you debate club dork we're talking about allowing nazis to participate in discussion, try to keep up What happens if you purge and marginalize the nazis. They will just go elsewhere and likely form their own echo chamber. I'm not sure how this is better for society.
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Rated PG-34 posted:I would argue that it's the opposite and we don't know what horrors await us. There's a reason Presidents age so fast in office and Trump is a 71 year old sack of poo poo filled with big macs and bad steak
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Nov 11, 2016 05:44
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Fojar38 posted:Her experience governing didn't disappear overnight and experience is still something Bernie lacks; she would make a very useful advisor. I'd hope that the next democratic candidate would tell all the neo liberal dems to go gently caress themselves, but that's an impossible dream.
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Rated PG-34 posted:I would argue that it's the opposite and we don't know what horrors await us. one man's horrors are another man's wondrous delights, i suppose
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Rated PG-34 posted:What happens if you purge and marginalize the nazis. They will just go elsewhere and likely form their own echo chamber. I'm not sure how this is better for society.
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furiouskoala posted:As a Trump voter from a rural area, here is why Hillary lost. Oh hey, a racist voted for a racist. Color me unsurprised.
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kartikeya posted:Yes she did, dude, come on. That was easily half of her campaign videos. It's 'easy' because that's part of western ideology. How do you think nazis formed their own ideology?
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Monaghan posted:I'd hope that the next democratic candidate would tell all the neo liberal dems to go gently caress themselves, but that's an impossible dream. Liberal moderates are still a part of any future left-wing coalition.
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Fojar38 posted:There's a reason Presidents age so fast in office and Trump is a 71 year old sack of poo poo filled with big macs and bad steak They age because they are stressed out because they care about this stuff. Trump may actually reverse age because he doesn't actually give much of a poo poo.
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greatn posted:They age because they are stressed out because they care about this stuff. Trump may actually reverse age because he doesn't actually give much of a poo poo. What do you think his reaction the first time Congress blocks him is going to be
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Rated PG-34 posted:What happens if you purge and marginalize the nazis. They will just go elsewhere and likely form their own echo chamber. I'm not sure how this is better for society. Marginalizing them is good though? It's not like you can have some expectation of educating the racism out of anyone who's a fan of Hitler. They are about the most lost of lost causes in terms of intelligent debate.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Once they are all in one place, well, that's just what a cluster bomb is made for. Lol And this is how we justify atrocities.
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Rated PG-34 posted:What happens if you purge and marginalize the nazis. They will just go elsewhere and likely form their own echo chamber. I'm not sure how this is better for society. They stay marginalized and relatively powerless, rather than riding the coattails of orange Hitler into office.
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Fojar38 posted:What do you think his reaction the first time Congress blocks him is going to be He'll think the thing he said already happened because he said it and move on.
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Nov 11, 2016 05:48
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PKJC posted:Marginalizing them is good though? It's not like you can have some expectation of educating the racism out of anyone who's a fan of Hitler. They are about the most lost of lost causes in terms of intelligent debate. Would you find it ironic if they thought the same about western ideology
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Fojar38 posted:What do you think his reaction the first time Congress blocks him is going to be *yells into other room, watching tv* "Hey Flynn, what's the smallest nuke we have?"
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Fojar38 posted:What do you think his reaction the first time Congress blocks him is going to be Speculation is he'll push to repeal filibuster and go full hog crazy
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Rated PG-34 posted:Lol Bashing the fash is not an atrocity friend.
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I like how someone dropped a bombshell that Trump was outright bribing members of the media a couple pages back and no one gave a gently caress.
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Nov 11, 2016 05:49
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Rated PG-34 posted:What happens if you purge and marginalize the nazis. I'm not sure how this is better for society. I am beyond words.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:So is Hilary 100% poison now or is she entrenched enough in the DNC to survive? Survive what? She's probably just going to work at the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton Global Initiative. I know the narrative is that she ran for president because she's selfish and power mad and insane, but like.. she pretty much just wants to help people. So since she can't do that as president she'll go do that in the non-profit space like Bill's been doing since he was out of office.
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Rated PG-34 posted:Would you find it ironic if they thought the same about western ideology When you're talking about people who support genocide I don't give the slightest gently caress how they feel about western ideology, hth.
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Xae posted:I like how someone dropped a bombshell that Trump was outright bribing members of the media a couple pages back and no one gave a gently caress. Mr Trump is a very generous man and gives many gifts to many people, often expecting nothing in return.
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Xae posted:I like how someone dropped a bombshell that Trump was outright bribing members of the media a couple pages back and no one gave a gently caress. We're apparently too busy talking about how we shouldn't marginalize actual Nazis now.
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greatn posted:Mr Trump is a very generous man and gives many gifts to many people, often expecting nothing in return. Heart of gold, really. Amazing.
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Rated PG-34 posted:Lol Obv if the government does it it's problematic on First Amendment grounds.
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kartikeya posted:Yes she did, dude, come on. That was easily half of her campaign videos. They were great, though. On the Internet.
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Can we simultaneously marginalize the Nazis while actively working to make them... you know... un-Nazi?
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kartikeya posted:We're apparently too busy talking about how we shouldn't marginalize actual Nazis now. Well, they have feelings too and boy if you hurt their feelings it just shows that you are the real racist.
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PKJC posted:When you're talking about people who support genocide I don't give the slightest gently caress how they feel about western ideology, hth. Americans have supported genocide too 
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Xae posted:I like how someone dropped a bombshell that Trump was outright bribing members of the media a couple pages back and no one gave a gently caress. Sorry, I mean, I did read it, I just didn't comment, because I'm not surprised. Bribery just kinda seems like the exact thing Trump would do. Plus it's another in the long list of "Things Trump accused Hillary of that he was actually literally 100% guilty of himself" like whoa gently caress he mastered the Rove playbook, I struggle to think what weaknesses of his he didn't try to pin to Hillary other than accusing her of grabbing women by the pussy.
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Evil Fluffy posted:
christ people, relax. abortion is not going to be banned at the federal level. that's loving ridiculous. first there have to be court cases that get appealed, then run through the circuit courts, then be narrow enough to apply to roe v wade and have the supreme court rule to completely overturn roe v wade. then the house and the senate would have to agree to legislation without the dems filibustering it, and then it has to go to a manhattenite with a history of supporting abortion to sign into law the most infamous piece of legislation in modern history. its a fantasy RaySmuckles fucked around with this message at 05:57 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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ErIog posted:Survive what? She's probably just going to work at the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton Global Initiative. I know the narrative is that she ran for president because she's selfish and power mad and insane, but like.. she pretty much just wants to help people. So since she can't do that as president she'll go do that in the non-profit space like Bill's been doing since he was out of office.
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Rated PG-34 posted:Lol If you think killing or even "marginalizing" a bunch of nazis is an atrocity that says a lot about yourself. Rated PG-34 posted:Americans have supported genocide too Americans are also overwhelmingly lovely, as evidenced by President Donald.
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kartikeya posted:We're apparently too busy talking about how we shouldn't marginalize actual Nazis now. We've already become so inoculated to trump scandals that one that would bring down most candidates or existing presidents gets about 5 comments and everyone shrugs.
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Monaghan posted:I'm betting that she'll try to run in 2020. Actually it looks like they're already trying to subtly float Tim Cain as the new Dem hottness.
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RaySmuckles posted:christ people, relax. abortion is not going to be banned at the federal level. that's loving ridiculous. Lemme tell you about how a man named Trump became our God-King through a confluence of hilarious Democratic missteps and pussy grabbing.
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