Princess Di posted:

I see where you are coming from and I really want to agree with you.

But when people say, hang black mannequins from their trees on Halloween while simultaneously supporting Trump, that paints a certain picture for me.

I am willing to believe though, that good people out there made a mistake simply because they did not take Trump seriously on half of what he said but liked the other half where it seemed he was speaking directly to them.

This is something that is possible and even likely to me. How else did part of Obama's coalition vote for Trump?

Venom Snake posted:

If she gets the dems +1 seat in congress it will actually be useful. I won't complain until she starts trying to ruin other peoples time.

Venom Snake posted:

Dude factory work is not kind to your body. It's not degrading to say we shouldn't be forcing people to ruin their health. There are plenty of ways we can help them that aren't trying to turn back the clock to pre-automation times. Part of the anger they feel comes from the fact that they know they are eating poo poo compared to how others are living and it pisses them off hence kamikaze president.

Hilario Baldness posted:

When your two biggest surrogates (Bill, Obama) are people that have pushed politics that have made capital flight easier and have led to people lose manufacturing jobs and your message consists of, "We need to build on the economics that these two progressives have done," good luck rallying people to vote for you.

Lastgirl posted:

It will be sticking around, there will be new rules and guidelines.


I dig this~

Fiction posted:

never mind the Democrats aren't going to learn anything

Zikan posted:

no

noo

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

http://nypost.com/2016/11/10/chelsea-clinton-being-groomed-to-run-for-congress/

Larry Parrish posted:

How loving typical that a white middle class Democrat sees a few edge cases of vocal racism and applies that behavior as being indicative of a large swathe of largely unrelated people.

Zikan posted:

no

noo

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

http://nypost.com/2016/11/10/chelsea-clinton-being-groomed-to-run-for-congress/

A GIANT PARSNIP posted:

loving really? Government run plants to build solar panels and windmills, or government run research labs and local clinics are gonna be asbestos filled hellholes? That's your loving retort to the federal government giving shat on poor people jobs?

These people don't want a slightly larger check to spend at Walmart #7918. They want a job they feel proud of, and they want to spend their paychecks at local businesses. Liberals have a giant list of things they want done from climate change action to research to improved healthcare. So why the gently caress shouldn't we slap a giant government facility into every one of these desperate counties to make massive amounts of jobs and do some loving good for mankind at the same time?

Oh Snapple! posted:

she will absolutely ruin other peoples time because she is a clinton

Fiction posted:

Can't wait to help primary her lol

Cubey posted:

jesus in heaven

i hope she doesn't even get chosen as the democratic senate candidate for her state

KIND OF A KIM DEAL posted:

If you are actually truly that serious about American politics then maybe instead of balloon-pulling other good people having harmless fun and de- compressing during off-hours while don't you get off your computer and go accomplish something real and positive instead of just sitting on your rear end and D&D posting faux-intellectual garbage on a comedy web subforum?

Venom Snake posted:

If she gets the dems +1 seat in congress it will actually be useful. I won't complain until she starts trying to ruin other peoples time.

Cubey posted:

jesus in heaven

i hope she doesn't even get chosen as the democratic senate candidate for her state

Larry Parrish posted:

That kind of attitude where you are willing to paint a shitload of people with the same brush due to isolated individuals is why people claim the Democratic Party is also bigoted, btw.

Forming preconceptions of people on their status in a group or minority or whatever instead of them as an individual is literally what it means to be racist.

Vox Nihili posted:

i mean if they just put her in a plum, safe seat (of course they would) it's not a +1, it's just a legacy handout to an untalented candidate that could have gone to someone with potential

Larry Parrish posted:

How loving typical that a white middle class Democrat sees a few edge cases of vocal racism and applies that behavior as being indicative of a large swathe of largely unrelated people.

Nonsense posted:

Her hubby works for Goldman Sachs. She's definitely going to be mentioned.

Doorknob Slobber posted:

I'm not a white middle class democrat and I think its fair told hold Trump and anyone who voted for him responsible for any racist poo poo going down right now. Even if they aren't racists themselves they supported a candidate who's rhetoric was not only racist, but encouraged acts of violence against minorities.

Also I am going to be a democrat in the future and I'm going to attach myself to everything democrat I can get near like a disgusting loving leech and call out anyone who thinks even just a little bit of racism is ok with the most vulgar nonsense imaginable. Thank Trump for that too.

A GIANT PARSNIP posted:

Well "maybe we'll train you guys with some college degrees, and perhaps West Virginia will become a coding Mecca!" is a really loving stupid idea.

Besides that the current Democratic platform is "get a degree and move out" or "ignore them until they die in 30 years". These people are desperate for help and we can 100% help them without sacrificing a single loving thing that Democrats believe in.

Even if this election was a landslide, why the gently caress wouldn't we want to do that?

Vox Nihili posted:

i mean if they just put her in a plum, safe seat (of course they would) it's not a +1, it's just a legacy handout to an untalented candidate that could have gone to someone with potential

Princess Di posted:

I see where you are coming from and I really want to agree with you.

But when people say, hang black mannequins from their trees on Halloween while simultaneously supporting Trump, that paints a certain picture for me.

I am willing to believe though, that good people out there made a mistake simply because they did not take Trump seriously on half of what he said but liked the other half where it seemed he was speaking directly to them.

This is something that is possible and even likely to me. How else did part of Obama's coalition vote for Trump?

Doorknob Slobber posted:

I'm not a white middle class democrat and I think its fair told hold Trump and anyone who voted for him responsible for any racist poo poo going down right now. Even if they aren't racists themselves they supported a candidate who's rhetoric was not only racist, but encouraged acts of violence against minorities.

Also I am going to be a democrat in the future and I'm going to attach myself to everything democrat I can get near like a disgusting loving leech and call out anyone who thinks even just a little bit of racism is ok with the most vulgar nonsense imaginable. Thank Trump for that too.

quote:

The media have made much ado about the absence of a real Trump organization on the ground in the states, but has largely failed to interrogate the hype around the Clinton campaign’s ground operations. As the post-election day hangover wears off, an examination of the mechanics behind the Clinton’s get out the vote efforts ― reaching out to Clinton voters in key states at the door, on the phone or by text messages ― reveals evidence of what appears to be a pretty shocking truth. Clinton volunteers were inadvertently turning out Trump voters. Possibly in significant numbers.

Volunteers for the Clinton campaign in Pennsylvania, Ohio and North Carolina have reported that when reminding people to vote, they encountered a significant number of Trump voters. Anecdotal evidence points to anywhere from five to 25 percent of contacts were inadvertently targeted to Trump supporters.

...

Voter targeting is not a new idea, but over the past few cycles electoral field organizing has become intoxicated by the concept of using “big data” to microtarget voters. Just like Amazon knows what to show you on their front page based on your past purchases, the idea goes, campaigns should be able to predict who their voters are based on past voting behavior and other commercially available data that can be matched on the vote file. In the avalanche of stories and books about Obama’s two victories, commentators have credited microtargeting as a major factor in his success ― in our opinion, mostly unjustifiably.

The problem is the lack of actual data. General election voting choices are of course secret. Only a relatively small number of primary voters’ partisan choices are public record, and not in all states. The much-hyped commercial data, upon closer examination, is either not useful or simply not available for most voters. Most targeting choices are not micro, but macro, such as targeting African Americans or young people. When you’re winning by a large margin, as Obama did both times, you can’t go wrong with such choices. When you’re losing, however, certain macro-targeting choices amount to doing your opponent’s GOTV work for them.

Fiction posted:

never mind the Democrats aren't going to learn anything

Larry Parrish posted:

Also, despite being a Hispanic living in an area where typically, Mexicans are seen as outsiders seeking to destabilize the agricultural work, I'm not actually afraid of my fellow man because I'm not a retarded racist liberal who has been led to believe by Twitter that fearing others is natural

LmaoTheKid posted:

Also, Liz Warren sucks. That interview was terrible and the fact that she's ok with hearing out Dean is just gross as hell.

Princess Di posted:

I literally avoid the south due to racism, also small towns and the dark alleys in said small towns. I'm not trolling here Im just talking about how I navigate the world.

Venom Snake posted:

Dude factory work is not kind to your body. It's not degrading to say we shouldn't be forcing people to ruin their health. There are plenty of ways we can help them that aren't trying to turn back the clock to pre-automation times. Part of the anger they feel comes from the fact that they know they are eating poo poo compared to how others are living and it pisses them off hence kamikaze president.

resar posted:

Venom Snake posted:

If this is the attitude everyone on the left takes we are 100% hosed. Educate them. Make them need you. They are desperate for an answer right now.

Jenner posted:

But doing stuff and getting involved involves doing stuff and getting involved.

No but seriously I have been encouraging my liberal friends to get involved and have been looking into my options as well.

It's just really hard to feel hope and mobilize. We need a leader or something I guess. How did the Tea Party do it?

resar posted:

Larry Parrish posted:

Identity politics is a neoliberal plot to distract and discredit progressives and stop people from uniting under common ground of economic distress and instead have them focus on fighting with each other over retarded poo poo like primary languages or melanin content

LmaoTheKid posted:

THIS. IS. WHY. WE. HAVE. TRUMP. AS. PRESIDENT. ELECT. RIGHT. NOW.

VOTE YES ON 69 posted:

I think I'm a socialist now