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VagueRant posted:A good chunk of the electorate in 2012 didn't even know Mitt Romney's name And yet he still got more votes than Trump.
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I haven't watched the Daily Show in a while just due to work schedules, but so far my first impression of Michelle Wolf is making me want to turn it back off. EDIT: okay that got... better, but good lord her delivery sucked getting started.
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Nov 10, 2016 05:09
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Michelle Wolf was on goddamn fire. I feel so bad for her.  Edit: Holy poo poo Hassan too. Man Roy Wood Jr. is gonna be good. Kleper will be interesting if he's on, they need a Hispanic correspondent, or gently caress it just bring back Larry Wilmore for one night. Jiro fucked around with this message at 05:18 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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Nov 10, 2016 05:12
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I'm just glad Larry didn't live to see just how unblack the unblackening would be.
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Nov 10, 2016 06:00
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Man, that bit with Hasan really went a long way towards helping me stomach this. I mean, it seemed like the entire day was just filled with conventional news anchors praising how Trump managed to pull out a win and how he now has a ~*~MANDATE~*~ from the American people with his new inclusive tone... like they all suddenly forgot his entire campaign as soon as it became official. It was just so cathartic to see naked, unambiguous concern coming from such a genuine place.
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Nov 10, 2016 06:31
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Strobe posted:I haven't watched the Daily Show in a while just due to work schedules, but so far my first impression of Michelle Wolf is making me want to turn it back off. This could apply to any given appearance of Michelle Wolf.
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Nov 10, 2016 09:31
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Michelle Wolf is growing on me. Hasan... jojoinnit posted:I'm just glad Larry didn't live to see just how unblack the unblackening would be. 
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Nov 10, 2016 17:05
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Nov 10, 2016 17:57
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Am I the only one thinking that Trevor Noah's Daily Show has really started to come into it's own during these past few weeks? Honestly I've found Trevor's takes on a lot of the horror that has happened recently some of the best I've seen.
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Nov 10, 2016 19:32
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Echo Chamber posted:Michelle Wolf is growing on me. Same. Echo Chamber posted:Hasan... Same.
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Nov 10, 2016 21:08
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theblackw0lf posted:Am I the only one thinking that Trevor Noah's Daily Show has really started to come into it's own during these past few weeks? I think it takes a full election cycle for the new host of the Daily Show to find their legs. Jon's version didn't really find it's stride until inDecision 2000, and now Trevor's version seems to be getting where it needs to be with the beginning of our long national nightmare. Gotta find your own genuine anger, I guess. Also, the President Elect needs to lose the popular vote while winning the Electoral College. Every time the Electoral College actually gets a work out the nation is hosed. Thanks, infallible Founding Fathers in your infinite wisdom which we must trust as if stone tablets from god.
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Nov 10, 2016 22:32
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theblackw0lf posted:Am I the only one thinking that Trevor Noah's Daily Show has really started to come into it's own during these past few weeks? It's been especially great lately, but honestly I've thought Trevor has been doing a good job the whole time. 
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Nov 11, 2016 00:42
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precision posted:It's been especially great lately, but honestly I've thought Trevor has been doing a good job the whole time. I'm with you. He's never been bad, but this past month or so is just a steep leap upwards.
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Nov 11, 2016 04:14
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Gyges posted:I think it takes a full election cycle for the new host of the Daily Show to find their legs. Jon's version didn't really find it's stride until inDecision 2000, and now Trevor's version seems to be getting where it needs to be with the beginning of our long national nightmare. Yeah, I enjoyed the live election meltdown. Colbert's was much more serious in tone; it was an interesting contrast. You can tell Colbert couldn't pivot away from having wanted to make fun of Hillary. The Pepto Bismol torture comedy, however, was okay. The electoral college is a sad holdover from all the bickering and backroom politicking of the 18th century, so of course it should remain relevant 37 states and hundreds of millions of extra voters later. 
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Nov 11, 2016 05:56
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Gyges posted:I think it takes a full election cycle for the new host of the Daily Show to find their legs. Jon's version didn't really find it's stride until inDecision 2000, and now Trevor's version seems to be getting where it needs to be with the beginning of our long national nightmare.
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Nov 11, 2016 08:18
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Mars4523 posted:The Electoral College was invented to defy the popular will in the case that a dangerous demagogue could become President. The only problem is that after 200 some years it's never had to do its job, and now it can't do anything but serve as a rubber stamp. Isn't it great that the only actual contribution of the Electoral College to the nation is a couple Corrupt Bargains, a Supreme Court politicizing ruling, and the ascension of a dangerous demagogue?
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Nov 11, 2016 08:29
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Michelle Wolf is weird. That's not necessarily a bad thing, although she does seem a little out of place on TDS.theblackw0lf posted:Am I the only one thinking that Trevor Noah's Daily Show has really started to come into it's own during these past few weeks? Do you remember Jon post-9/11? This is Trevor's 9/11, 11/9  . It's unreasonable for former TDS fans to have expected a recent immigrant like Trevor to jump right in and be exactly like Jon Stewart; there was always going to be a stylistic difference and he didn't grow up with the American experience.This, however, is enough of a tragedy to transform TDS into the show we all remembered, and I'd be surprised if Colbert didn't transform into Colbert more often from now on.  Mars4523 posted:The Electoral College was invented to defy the popular will in the case that a dangerous demagogue could become President. The only problem is that after 200 some years it's never had to do its job, and now it can't do anything but serve as a rubber stamp. Hmm, it sounds like it was invented for just this occasion....
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Nov 11, 2016 09:24
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I'm not too hot with Trevor suddenly lecturing to us that we have to listen to Trump voters when the show itself was quite dismissive of them for the entire campaign. It's our fault now? A lot of people in the left were saying liberals were complacent, ignoring what was happening on Main Street. They were told to shut up.
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Nov 11, 2016 16:38
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loving lol if you think this election had anything to do with what the common man needed, in a cycle where one of the party conventions held an absentee kangaroo court for their opponent double lol if you think Main Street is going to get anything they want or need
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Nov 11, 2016 16:57
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raditts posted:loving lol if you think this election had anything to do with what the common man needed, in a cycle where one of the party conventions held an absentee kangaroo court for their opponent
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Nov 11, 2016 17:00
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Echo Chamber posted:I'm not too hot with Trevor suddenly lecturing to us that we have to listen to Trump voters when the show itself was quite dismissive of them for the entire campaign. The point of the segment was that they were an unknown quantity. All the data anyone had pointed that Trump supporters being the fringe whackjobs that are currently emboldened to commit hate crimes. It never even crossed anyone's mind that people who would vote for Obama would flip to Trump. So, the message is still consistent if split. We were right to not listen to the demands of people to shut the borders or put in place destructive trade deals out of xenophobia. However it was a major misstep to not give a national voice to those who haven't been presented a plan for the future. I was a little annoyed that Pittsburgh was mentioned seeing as how Allegheny county soundly rejected Trump for the real reason that we HAVE successfully transitioned to a post rust belt economy. Luzerne County was a huge loss. It's also puzzling since the economy there was in recovery and it's usually a big democratic stronghold.
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Nov 11, 2016 17:32
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In hindsight that "we're going to put coal out of business" bit was way more telling and damaging than anyone understood at the time.
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Nov 11, 2016 17:34
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Mars4523 posted:The Electoral College was invented to defy the popular will in the case that a dangerous demagogue could become President. The only problem is that after 200 some years it's never had to do its job, and now it can't do anything but serve as a rubber stamp. Yeah. The idea has merit but since this is the exact situation it was implemented for and it's 100% certain they will not do their job and elect Clinton instead it needs to go.
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Nov 11, 2016 18:14
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Echo Chamber posted:You've seen the electoral map. The rust belt took their chances with the crazy man with the kangaroo court convention. Yeah, but not because he offered them anything they needed. Let's just say I haven't heard anyone saying "Yay! Now my job is secure!" as a result of this
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Nov 11, 2016 18:55
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Clinton tried to talk about jobs no one paid attention. CNN probably showed more footage of Trump's empty podium than anything she said, and and all anyone wanted to ask her about was emails. She talked about jobs at the debates, and none of it was talked about afterwards. Trump admitting that he stiffed the people who built his buildings, the same people he supposedly wants to fight for, and it got less discussion than montages of him sniffing.
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Nov 11, 2016 20:28
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Atomizer posted:Michelle Wolf is weird. That's not necessarily a bad thing, although she does seem a little out of place on TDS. Out of place? She's literally Kristen Schaal's replacement.
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Nov 11, 2016 22:10
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Die Sexmonster! posted:Out of place? She's literally Kristen Schaal's replacement. Kristen could get through her bits without giggling and mushmouthing all the way through, maybe that's what he means. Her stage presence is really weird and off-tone from everybody else. raditts fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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Nov 11, 2016 22:23
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She's still doing stand-up delivery. The joke cadence and body posture scream stand-up comedian instead of (fake) news correspondent. She's getting to the point where she loosens up by the end of her segments now and it's feels more conversational, but she starts them where she is comfortable and that's as stand-up. That's why the segments feel weird.
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Nov 11, 2016 22:38
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Her post-election segment is the first I've seen, and I'll grant the gravity of the moment but she didn't even strike me as likely to be funny.
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haveblue posted:In hindsight that "we're going to put coal out of business" bit was way more telling and damaging than anyone understood at the time. Continues to baffle me why she didn't focus more on her $30 billion investment plan to economically stimulate coal country.
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Nov 12, 2016 01:03
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Propaganda Machine posted:Her post-election segment is the first I've seen, and I'll grant the gravity of the moment but she didn't even strike me as likely to be funny. She's terrible. Kristen schaal was the best and I guess she took her slot, but it's not really the same schtick at all.
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Nov 12, 2016 01:12
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theblackw0lf posted:Continues to baffle me why she didn't focus more on her $30 billion investment plan to economically stimulate coal country. It didn't matter how much she talked about jobs or the economy, nobody would cover it. All the stories were about her Emails, various gently caress ups, or how out of touch she was. Because the press got crazy ratting off of Donald Trump's empty podiums and bad stories about Hillary.
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Nov 12, 2016 01:58
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It's also a lot easier to basically agree with the people who are struggling because NAFTA or the drive toward clean energy or outsourcing and say you'll get rid of the things they don't like, even if it's not as simple as tearing up a deal and bing, the clock goes back 35 years and the factories and mines re-open; than to try and explain to them that we need to help them totally reinvent their communities' economic focus.
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Gaz-L posted:It's also a lot easier to basically agree with the people who are struggling because NAFTA or the drive toward clean energy or outsourcing and say you'll get rid of the things they don't like, even if it's not as simple as tearing up a deal and bing, the clock goes back 35 years and the factories and mines re-open; than to try and explain to them that we need to help them totally reinvent their communities' economic focus. I believe you mean as simple as tearing up a deal and bing bing, bong bong bong, bing bing, the clock goes back 35 years. Hillary and her team absolutely messed up by simply focusing on what a total gently caress up Donny was. They should have spent at least as much money showing off her plans to fix the problems of the rust belt and the rest of the nation. They're not easy, sexy, ideas. However, and it was a very easy and rewarding mistake to make, instead of rolling with the wave of "Jesus, Donny is horrible" they should have fought more to make it about policy. Even if it failed to change the narrative, having those ads and attempts out there would have given people something to cling to when voting so it wasn't just about voting against Trumpism. They did try and do some hopeful stuff, but it was a parallel narrative to make her more likeable. What they should have done is steer into her wonky nerd nature more and focused on her wallowing in policies to help America instead of her biography.
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Nov 12, 2016 05:10
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Hillary largely hasn't helped Americans. Hell, between her and Bill's support of poo poo like NAFTA, tough on crime, and welfare reform, she's pretty much caused almost irrevocable harm to what's going to end up being generations of them.
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Nov 12, 2016 06:02
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"What I will actually do" might have been a better message for Wisconsin and Pennsylvania than whatever her actual message was, but it still sounds like a patronizing, technocratic message. I hate the "they should have nominated Bernie" meme, but I don't disagree with it. (The moment of zen shows Bernie himself isn't obsessed with the question.) But I think any meaningful autopsy of the Democrats' defeats shouldn't aggressively avoid where Bernie Sanders' was showing his strength. The Michigan primary showed there was an unpolled constituency in the Midwest that vastly preferred Bernie's message and platform over Hillary's. And that was similar to where Hillary Clinton showed unexpected weakness against Trump with voters invisible in the polls. That's obviously not to say that all those Rust Belt voters who chose Trump over Clinton would have chose Sanders over Trump instead; but it wouldn't be too far-fetched to believe in the hypothetical Vs. Bernie matchup, Trump's negatives would have been a greater liability in all those traditionally Democratic midwest states. Hindsight is 20/20. But what is an autopsy without hindsight?
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Oh Snapple! posted:Hillary largely hasn't helped Americans. Hell, between her and Bill's support of poo poo like NAFTA, tough on crime, and welfare reform, she's pretty much caused almost irrevocable harm to what's going to end up being generations of them. NAFTA isn't the problem. The problem is that we never, ever, do anything to retrain or redirect people looking for work. At best we make sure they can go balls deep into debt paying for training and education on their own. And since that's the only path we in any way encourage, it devalues that education and makes it so that you need a college diploma to get an entry level job that in no way requires a college education. The factory jobs were leaving with or without NAFTA and our other trade agreements. The only way there were ever going to stay is if we returned to 18th Century style tariffs and went all in on trade wars.
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Gyges posted:NAFTA isn't the problem. The problem is that we never, ever, do anything to retrain or redirect people looking for work. I'm making GBS threads myself this week because Trump could very well irreperably and possibly unrecoverably damage the USA's chance to really get a leg up on environmental dangers by focusing on retraining some of our citizens to work in energy and water management and other fields where it might, you know, do less harm than good overall.. ANd that's my field now so welp coyo7e fucked around with this message at 07:43 on Nov 12, 2016 |
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Gyges posted:NAFTA isn't the problem. The problem is that we never, ever, do anything to retrain or redirect people looking for work. At best we make sure they can go balls deep into debt paying for training and education on their own. And since that's the only path we in any way encourage, it devalues that education and makes it so that you need a college diploma to get an entry level job that in no way requires a college education. Let me put it another way. Hillary Clinton's husband is the man labor points to as having hosed their asses absolutely raw and ruined their livelihoods when he signed NAFTA and sent their jobs off into the void. When in front of these people again, Hillary Clinton did the most tone-loving-deaf thing in the world: she told the truth. As someone who was part of the White House that essentially told labor they were no longer needed in the party, she shrugged, and told these people their jobs were never, ever coming back. Even worse, she said she was coming for coal next. These were some of the stupidest things she, with all of her loving baggage, could have possibly said to this demo. And yet she said them. Because she's terrible and has no actual skill at campaigning.
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Echo Chamber posted:I'm not too hot with Trevor suddenly lecturing to us that we have to listen to Trump voters when the show itself was quite dismissive of them for the entire campaign. The postmortem analysis that I've read is that Trump was the outlet for all of the unheard, un-listened-to voters who were being ignored by both of the major parties, and that's why everyone, all the pollsters got it wrong. The thing is, all of the voters who came out of the woodwork were the loving KKK and various racists and bigots. Literally the day after the election Muslims, women, hispanics, etc. start reporting harassment at work, school, on the street, etc. Mainstream politicians were right not to give these people any attention, and now they've become emboldened because they think Trump gives them the right to attack the "undesirables." 11/9 Nevar Forget indeed. Also, in case nobody realized this, coincidentally 11/9 is the anniversary of Kristallnacht.  Die Sexmonster! posted:Out of place? She's literally Kristen Schaal's replacement. Is Kristen really gone for good? Anyways I can see what you mean, Michelle is Schall-esque. Very different feels, though. Don't get me wrong, I like her, she's growing on me, and what raditts and bull said hit the nail on the head. She's not quite comfortable on the show yet. Propaganda Machine posted:Her post-election segment is the first I've seen, and I'll grant the gravity of the moment but she didn't even strike me as likely to be funny. She's been around a while. She's more of a story-telling comedian. That segment was more despair than comedy though, and you can't really hold it against her. Did you see Colbert during the election? Gyges posted:I believe you mean as simple as tearing up a deal and bing bing, bong bong bong, bing bing, the clock goes back 35 years. I don't think a change of message would've won her the election. Trump won because of: racists, sexists, and people who just didn't like Hillary. In a lot of voters' minds, it didn't matter how bad Trump was if they thought Hillary was worse. Bernie may have won, but we'll never know now. Oh yeah, all the citizens who didn't vote also didn't do us any favors. 
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