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Jenner posted:In short, I'm a loving idealistic piece of poo poo. A wonderful post.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 09:05 |
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# ? May 13, 2024 08:05 |
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ill win
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 09:06 |
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anime was right posted:ill win lets start an anime party
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 09:10 |
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Continue complaining about those darn republicans in congress, it's working real well.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 09:11 |
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Atrocious Joe posted:Dude you're a 20 year old Dem apparatchik who got his position thanks to familial connections right? Your heart's in the right place but uhhhh like drat. Take your skills and work for a union if you want change. Unite Here has a decent presence around DC if you're impressed with what their Culinary Union local did in Nevada. I'm going back to college and going to be working local there. I do actually need to get an education and have a life outside of politics
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 09:12 |
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anime was right posted:ill win https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6bjq8HC_iQ
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 09:12 |
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For the new page https://twitter.com/nypost/status/796921717759377408
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 09:13 |
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You should all watch this, especially the first 40 minutes. Richard Wolff is great. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0IwIOUg_Cs
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 09:17 |
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LOL, Venom is a 20 year old boy. C-SPAM pre-Trump election makes a lot more sense.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 09:17 |
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Jenner posted:HOLY loving poo poo STOP. You don't understand. You think it is easy to just pack up and leave and go where the grass is greener because that is probably what you did and it was easy for you. But you are not them. You do not know their situation. Their whole life is/was in that lovely dying town. Their whole community. Their friends are there, their neighbors are there, their community is there, their churches/places of worship are there. They have spent decades being a part of this city. I am sure a not insignificant sum of them are living in houses that have been in their families for generations. Their schools are there, their entire history is in that town. They had their first date there, lost their virginity there, got married, started a family, raised a family there. And you would just tell them to pack up and move? To leave everything behind? It's not so easy for them. Lima Ohio is not loving Centralia Pennsylvania. You see a people clinging to the past and dying in obscurity who need to move on for their own sakes. But these people see it as abandoning their history and their way of life. This except the cis bisexual disabled white woman part.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 09:18 |
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Jenner posted:HOLY loving poo poo STOP. You don't understand. You think it is easy to just pack up and leave and go where the grass is greener because that is probably what you did and it was easy for you. But you are not them. You do not know their situation. Their whole life is/was in that lovely dying town. Their whole community. Their friends are there, their neighbors are there, their community is there, their churches/places of worship are there. They have spent decades being a part of this city. I am sure a not insignificant sum of them are living in houses that have been in their families for generations. Their schools are there, their entire history is in that town. They had their first date there, lost their virginity there, got married, started a family, raised a family there. And you would just tell them to pack up and move? To leave everything behind? It's not so easy for them. Lima Ohio is not loving Centralia Pennsylvania. You see a people clinging to the past and dying in obscurity who need to move on for their own sakes. But these people see it as abandoning their history and their way of life. I like you. I also think I've learned something from you and this post.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 09:18 |
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zen death robot posted:Grietens won so that's the 2nd time a GOP governor won in like 50 years also no one to veto right to work so we're basically gonna be Kansas with a major city that probably wishes it could somehow become part of Illinois now. Who do you like for Mayor?
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 09:23 |
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https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/796992668463087616
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 09:31 |
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lee fang was pretty good during the primary tbh https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/796948774526423040 also lol as gently caress
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 09:35 |
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VirtualStranger posted:You should all watch this, especially the first 40 minutes. Richard Wolff is great. Richard wolf explained it better than I can. The Democratic Party must be abandoned because capitalism has failed the base and the Democratic Party is a tool of the capitalist elite
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 09:34 |
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man there is some legit fire in lee's tweets. https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/796883925545066496
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 09:36 |
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Larry Parrish posted:Richard wolf explained it better than I can. The Democratic Party must be abandoned because capitalism has failed the base and the Democratic Party is a tool of the capitalist elite Let's steal it. They're used to that, and should understand.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 09:35 |
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Lee Fang is cool people.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 09:38 |
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VirtualStranger posted:You should all watch this, especially the first 40 minutes. Richard Wolff is great. Papa Wolff
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 09:38 |
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also holy poo poo I'm so tried of the white guys in this thread acting like racism is inherent to whites or something. Racism is not simply a product of upbringing or a small area dominated by a single culture. Racism is mostly a product of having what little you have left drain away and needing a target to lash out at. "Real" racism based purely on skin color or whatever exists too, but again it's not a white only thing. Like for example there's the Latino remnants of the colonial system where anyone who looks native or black is basically treated like an uneducated serf. If economic problems were solved, the largest problems of racism outside corrupt police departments would be solved too.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 09:40 |
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Larry Parrish posted:Richard wolf explained it better than I can. The Democratic Party must be abandoned because capitalism has failed the base and the Democratic Party is a tool of the capitalist elite Then you get maine were the GOP wins every time because the vote is split between the center left and left every election. Their new system might fix it though.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 09:42 |
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anime was right posted:man there is some legit fire in lee's tweets. https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/796711415897845760 https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/796791944215195648
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 09:44 |
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Atrocious Joe posted:This is one area where President Trump should be an inspiration Well, Trump was born rich. Was that guy born rich? I assume not.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 09:49 |
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Venom Snake posted:A lot of economists think basic income is a good idea because it increases consumer spending so it's an issue you can get elites to support. It's not a perfect solution as you said though. You still need to give people something to do. Yeah, but it's a magnet for punitive spite. Venom Snake posted:I'm going back to college and going to be working local there. I do actually need to get an education and have a life outside of politics I started my business using 0% of my degree skills. Buy a nice suit and get hired by solving a problem and you'll never need a resume.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 09:53 |
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So it seems like a lot of these guys who made a name for themselves helping campaign in 2008 really made bank on that and promptly forgot how to do their job well. I mean it happens a lot, from what I've seen in various fields, but holy gently caress it really boggles the mind that these "experts" were gambling without knowing what cards they even had. All they had were polls. Goodness.
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Venom Snake posted:Help a fledgling DC insider understand the world The rust belt is what cost the dems the EC this time around, but the problem is everywhere. If your solution is geographically hyperfocused you'll win a few more presidencies but gently caress everything even harder down the road. Stop taking the unions for granted. There are plenty of workers who mistrust unions because the unions are perceived, fairly or not, as another extension of the democratic party apparatus that care 200% about raising money for any democrat with a pulse and 0% about actually fighting for workers on the local level. Don't just learn from the tea party's tactics, realize that the whole thing started because people were mad as hell their hard earned money was used to bail out the bankers that created and profited from the housing crash. There are a shitload of republicans voting against their own economic interests because they don't perceive the democrats as being any better for them (and they're usually not all that wrong lol). You absolutely could sell a mincome-shaped-object to the republican-voting joe on the street if you can come up with a coherent plan to fund it and manage to phrase it as 'definitely not socialism'. Make it about shrinking the government and simplifying the tax code and getting rid of the incomprehensible morass of bureaucracy that treats hard-working americans like criminals. They might try to fight you about 'blah blah welfare queens with cadillacs' and if you respond 'omg that's racist!' you will lose them (even though it kinda is, even though they don't really realize, because welfare has been sold for so long as 'a thing for poor minorities' while they watch their own livelihoods die and nobody gives a gently caress). Instead try: the rules that exist to stop people claiming benefits unjustly are the rules that make their disabled family members jump through ridiculous hoops several times a year to continually prove that they're still poor and still disabled & if people are getting benefits 'unjustly' at least they're putting that money back into the economy to benefit ~small business owners~. Continue to help small business owners, especially small business owners that aren't necessarily tech startups in coastal cities, because if there IS a hope for the dying rural towns and for the dying middle class, small business is definitely part of it. also This has been said already and it was poorly received but holy gently caress it is time to give the hell up on gun control. Pro-2A single issue voters, unlike the hardcore pro-lifers, are otherwise pretty loving diverse. Stop treating them like criminals/crazies/loving incomprehensible space aliens from another dimension. While the climate of fear in the aftermath of the election of Donald loving Trump might be a little hyperbolic, it should at least demonstrate that it's not completely insane that normal, reasonable people might be concerned about someday needing to fear for their safety and their civil liberties and wanting to be prepared for that eventuality. Gun ownership, shooting sports, and hunting are also a huge part of rural and working-class identity in a lot of places. Previous attempts to try to appeal to the demographic weren't taken seriously because moneyed coastal elites playing dress-up and awkward pictures of Obama skeet-shooting with a $2,200 shotgun aren't actually relatable. Making the 2nd amendment a partisan issue was and continues to be a terrible idea. Get your politicians familiar with guns, gun laws, get them to stop saying retarded poo poo about shoulder things that go up and military style weapons of war and what the gently caress ever, and move the gently caress on with trying to address the root causes of crime and undiagnosed mental health problems without treating gun owners like a bunch of crazy racist hicks. Go make friends with the Pink Pistols holy loving poo poo. ffs TFR was feelin' the Bern right up until he changed his tune about the PLCAA and then Hillary "The Supreme Court Is Wrong On The Second Amendment" Clinton got the nomination and you'll never guess what happened next! anyway enough stupid out of me Larry Parrish posted:also holy poo poo I'm so tried of the white guys in this thread acting like racism is inherent to whites or something. Racism is not simply a product of upbringing or a small area dominated by a single culture.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 10:01 |
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Truthfully, I think this might be one of those wait and see moments.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 10:03 |
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LastInLine posted:You and I both know that any "worker's rights" reform inevitably get monkey's pawed into a grotesque way to benefit my dude i am a communist do you think i am not aware of the massive institutional inertia barring all workers' legislation? i mention it as a possibility while knowing the only way we get the poo poo we want to get is through mass politics and revolution same goes for guaranteed employment. a capitalist state is never gonna get rid of the reserve army of labor, that's why socialism is necessary R. Guyovich has issued a correction as of 10:06 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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Larry Parrish posted:also holy poo poo I'm so tried of the white guys in this thread acting like racism is inherent to whites or something. Racism is not simply a product of upbringing or a small area dominated by a single culture. Which is why we are probating the race baiting~ It's dumb and bad. Which is why this was a pretty solid post on the racism, even though it's a bit wordy for C-SPAM, it was a good effort post that wasn't a crazy rant that doesn't result in me having to ask if Jenner wanted fries with that. I agree because I talked with my mom about it, she had a pretty good insight, since she's a school principal, in a semi rural area where she has to commute from a bigger town. About a 40 minute drive. So she knows whats going on, but she's an educated liberal in a sea of rednecks lol So if people keep thinking if its economic anxiety or racism, the answer is both. You can make the jokes about "wow that sure is some economic anxiety" as a dogwhistle for racism, which is partially true for some, but you can't be completely dismissive of the fact that they are really concerned about their livelihood. Their towns are dying, and their infrastructures are crumbling and they are not equipped to just move away and find new jobs because they don't have the education. They're stuck there, angry and forgotten so yea, racism is going to get into the fold because why? The republicans are telling them who's at fault and they are so ignorant and sheltered that they cannot see that they're being swindled, all they can do is desperately put their hopes on trump. Thats where the racism comes from, they feel like their livelhood is at stake because republicans are going, oh its the blacks, oh its the muslims, and the republicans are going to run out of excuses very shortly once they have finished pumping the middle class bone dry out of their money.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 10:07 |
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Venom Snake -- I posted this ages ago but I really really want as close to a definitive answer as possible: Why did Hillary pick Tim Kaine? Of all people? I get that he's a nice guy but... why? Just why? It was so safe and establishment and loving why?
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Pathos posted:Venom Snake -- I posted this ages ago but I really really want as close to a definitive answer as possible: Why did Hillary pick Tim Kaine? Of all people? I get that he's a nice guy but... why? Just why? It was so safe and establishment and loving why? he stepped down for dws and appeases the wall street overlords and is from a swing state (but vps never actually do anything there) none of which was super important
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 10:09 |
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Anyway sorry for angrily telling white guys to shut up about racism like 8 times tonight but it gets so loving old when the guys who are supposedly champions for your people act like your a statistic that unconditionally supports them I believe the American system is good and isn't necessarily a tool to prop up capitalism. This makes me kind of an outlier among other socialists though. But my dream is basically to have the good federal republic we have while also having basic income and other things. Maybe we could argue that basic income affects the national economy and therefor supersedes the states.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 10:10 |
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hailthefish posted:The rust belt is what cost the dems the EC this time around, but the problem is everywhere. If your solution is geographically hyperfocused you'll win a few more presidencies but gently caress everything even harder down the road. You know I was thinking about this earlier, and when I was a kid and still spent some time hanging out around my father in his small town of High Hill Missouri (pop 204). He had guns and hunting bows and all that, but they were a 12 gauge a 20 gauge and a bolt action rifle from the 40's. He didn't own any assault rifles and I kind of doubt he ever considered the idea. Same thing with his friends. So I was kind of wondering why that was and if maybe it was the debate itself that caused people to buy ridiculous military poo poo. eta- though maybe it was also because there was no range there and only some organized Turkey shoots.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 10:13 |
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hailthefish posted:anyway enough stupid out of me Not enough, actually. It's all true and good stuff. Homework Explainer posted:my dude i am a communist do you think i am not aware of the massive institutional inertia barring all workers' legislation? i mention it as a possibility while knowing the only way we get the poo poo we want to get is through mass politics and revolution I'm right there with you, comrade.
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Because the 'ridiculous military poo poo' isn't functionally any different from any other semi-automatic rifle but is easy and fun to shoot, and fun to play gun-barbie with, and yeah, a lot of it is popular BECAUSE it makes anti-gun people so mad and terrified. Every time some overwrought socialite melts the gently caress down about 'FULLY AUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPONS OF WAR ON OUR STREETS' is another reminder that 'those kind of people' don't know dick-all about guns, and don't know dick-all about 'our kind of people'. Though admittedly also a lot of the recent popularity is due to a) fears of an impending ban and wanting to make sure you've got some in case they go away again and b) due to fears of increasing economic instability leading to actual widescale civil unrest and social collapse and wanting to be prepared, which is half admittedly crazy doomsday prepper nonsense, and half kinda understandable. hailthefish has issued a correction as of 10:21 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 10:16 |
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I just wanna say that seeing a bunch of the most hardcore Clinton posters admitting they were wrong is giving me some hope that the future can somehow get unfucked. Not many people can go above digging in their heels and have an honest change oh heart. Good on you guys and welcome back.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 10:19 |
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Larry Parrish posted:Anyway sorry for angrily telling white guys to shut up about racism like 8 times tonight but it gets so loving old when the guys who are supposedly champions for your people act like your a statistic that unconditionally supports them Don't watch the network news, my dude, because the experts at MSNBC can't believe your people failed Hillary like that.
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Lastgirl posted:Which is why we are probating the race baiting~
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Don't watch the network news, my dude, because the experts at MSNBC can't believe your people failed Hillary like that. What kind of moron watches network news and actually listens in 2016.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 10:36 |