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icantfindaname posted:I know what will re-energize the Millenials for the Dems: blame the left If we tweak your words, we find the truth: I know what will re-energize the Millenials for the left: blame the Dems
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Kilroy posted:I said it last night and I'll say it again: Sanders run in the primary was incredibly fortunate. Without it, the DNC establishment would be talking right now about more triangulation. Instead, Chuck Schumer is endorsing Keith Ellison for DNC chair. They are beaten. greatn posted:That's exactly why. Bernie was about to run against him for Senate minority leader. Bernie is not even a Democrat at the moment. He is not a threat to Schumer in the slightest.
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mcmagic posted:An Obama-Obama-Trump voter is a species of stupid piece of poo poo that I didn't believe could exist in the world. I'll say that here but I don't know how productive it is going forward as a bedrock of organizing. We need to get our votes out because they are enough to win with. Obama-Obama-Trump was very rare, the real problem was Obama-Obama-gently caress it I got an hour off work I'll just go on YouPorn voter. And the Obama-Obama-Sorry You Don't Have A Valid Voter ID From This Office That's Open For Two Hours Twice A Month voter.
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mcmagic posted:An Obama-Obama-Trump voter is a species of stupid piece of poo poo that I didn't believe could exist in the world. I'll say that here but I don't know how productive it is going forward as a bedrock of organizing. We need to get our votes out because they are enough to win with. Hey mcmagic, I know you were dogpiled a bunch leading up to the elections, but in the spirit of comity, you were right.
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Nov 11, 2016 15:58
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gradenko_2000 posted:Hey mcmagic, I know you were dogpiled a bunch leading up to the elections, but in the spirit of comity, you were right.
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Nov 11, 2016 16:00
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Unzip and Attack posted:I don't disagree but I'd add that before we can start formulating strategy, we've got to take a serious introspective look at what happened and why. Identifying that charisma matters far more than policy and that even the tiniest scandal in a progressive candidate's history makes them DOA against a serial sexual predator is something we need to assume from now on. It wasn't just her charisma. It was who she was and the 30 years of baggage leading up toward this election. gradenko_2000 posted:Hey mcmagic, I know you were dogpiled a bunch leading up to the elections, but in the spirit of comity, you were right. I was right about her being a terrible candidate but I was more upset about that for down ballot races but I didn't really think she could actually lose the election.
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Nov 11, 2016 15:59
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Anyway we can dig up Huey Long's corpse and have it chair the DNC I don't really get it...
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Nov 11, 2016 16:00
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Unzip and Attack posted:I don't disagree but I'd add that before we can start formulating strategy, we've got to take a serious introspective look at what happened and why. Identifying that charisma matters far more than policy and that even the tiniest scandal in a progressive candidate's history makes them DOA against a serial sexual predator is something we need to assume from now on. Not really, what matters is if you shrink at the media when they find some stupidity from when you were younger. Or a imagined stupidity. Did Bernie shrink when they found that idiotic story he wrote? NO. It was forgotten? Did Bernie Shrink when he was called a socialist, When he was aked about visiting the uSSR? No it was forgotten. The way scandals develop if their not overtly criminal is you shrink at the accusation and allow yourself to be shamed. Also money helps, win elections, but the real thing that helps is getting people to beleive in you. Which Hillary and msot of the neoliberals couldn't even if it was a life or death situation.
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Nov 11, 2016 16:02
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mcmagic posted:I don't really get it... Huey Long was sort of a proto-Bernie. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huey_Long
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Nov 11, 2016 16:02
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Crowsbeak posted:I love the idiot neoliberal who makes it so that to campaign on economic issues to sell out minorities. Let me say this, I hope when Keith Ellison heads the DNC that I hope he purges idiots like you, because you're the reason we lose. lmao at wanting to purge people who are concerned for their immediate futures, please don't be the rear end in a top hat fake-progressive people are accusing you of being. Keith Ellison would not purge such people because he is a fundamentally decent human being, and the way forward as a party is to continue to push basic concepts of human rights.
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Nov 11, 2016 16:03
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iospace posted:Huey Long was sort of a proto-Bernie. No I know who Huey Long was. I just don't get my avatar. I clearly didn't buy it.
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Nov 11, 2016 16:03
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Nebalebadingdong posted:I agree its not fair that the electoral college gave working class whites the self destruct button. Others deserve to wield that button even more. But that is irrelevant now. I think you're papering over a legitimate conundrum. History tells us any Federal policy that actually helps these rural whites will also help people of color, meaning those whites will vote it down. We can work with them as allies, or lambast them as fools, but I don't see how either strategy actually accomplishes anything.
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Nov 11, 2016 16:04
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mcmagic posted:No I know who Huey Long was. I just don't get my avatar. I clearly didn't buy it. You got owned so hard pre-election you got turned into a corncob  Nebalebadingdong posted:I agree its not fair that the electoral college gave working class whites the self destruct button. Others deserve to wield that button even more. But that is irrelevant now. About that turnout thing... https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/796933472615075840
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Crowsbeak posted:Not really, what matters is if you shrink at the media when they find some stupidity from when you were younger. Or a imagined stupidity. Did Bernie shrink when they found that idiotic story he wrote? NO. It was forgotten? Did Bernie Shrink when he was called a socialist, When he was aked about visiting the uSSR? No it was forgotten. The way scandals develop if their not overtly criminal is you shrink at the accusation and allow yourself to be shamed. None of those scandals mattered because at the time the media was consumed with covering primary mode Trump, with a little bit of "Hey look at this Bernie fellow, he might actually be putting up a fight against Hillary".
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Nov 11, 2016 16:06
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mcmagic posted:It wasn't just her charisma. It was who she was and the 30 years of baggage leading up toward this election. mcmagic I want to apologize to you too for reply spamming your posts with Homer faces, you were correct all along
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Nov 11, 2016 16:07
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Unzip and Attack posted:
They should vote. But then HRC and the DNC had a responsibility to inspire them, and they did not. We can attack them for not voting, but we'll need them voting in the next election so its not a good idea. We can however clean house on the incompetents who couldn't be bothered to visit the states we needed to win. Quorum posted:lmao at wanting to purge people who are concerned for their immediate futures, please don't be the rear end in a top hat fake-progressive people are accusing you of being. Keith Ellison would not purge such people because he is a fundamentally decent human being, and the way forward as a party is to continue to push basic concepts of human rights. It is, but then its also the job the promote economic justice and for that to be the forefront of the party. TyrantWD posted:None of those scandals mattered because at the time the media was consumed with covering primary mode Trump, with a little bit of "Hey look at this Bernie fellow, he might actually be putting up a fight against Hillary". No it does matter. It does matter that you stand up to the media. The Democrats problem is they think the media are not scavengers who if they smell blood come out. Say when confronted with bullshit you refuse to answer questions like HRC did, they hound you.
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PerniciousKnid posted:I think you're papering over a legitimate conundrum. History tells us any Federal policy that actually helps these rural whites will also help people of color, meaning those whites will vote it down. We can work with them as allies, or lambast them as fools, but I don't see how either strategy actually accomplishes anything. You can't be frozen by indecision. Its fine to lambast them as racist, but what I said about the dems and economic justice is true. It would've changed the outcome of this election, but even it wouldn't have, that's one of THE prime responsibilities of the Left. It always has been. If the left can't fight for justice for people (even racist people), then progressivism is full of poo poo. iospace posted:About that turnout thing... Turn out was low where it mattered I hope we can toss the electoral college some day
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Nov 11, 2016 16:11
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Yeah any Democrat who does not want to flip to an "anti-Establishment" party against Trump and the Republicans as the current establishment, while including anti-hate planks supporting LGBTQ, POC, and rectifying economic inequality and NOT continuing to cozy up to big banks needs to be ignored and primaried out of office. This is how the Republicans became the force they are today, and Democrats need to acknowledge this and beat them at their own game if Trump has a chance of going away in 2020. EDIT: Also this: Crowsbeak posted:They should vote. But then HRC and the DNC had a responsibility to inspire them, and they did not. We can attack them for not voting, but we'll need them voting in the next election so its not a good idea. We can however clean house on the incompetents who couldn't be bothered to visit the states we needed to win.
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How many of the Obama-Trump voters knew they were voting for the Ryan budget? lol https://twitter.com/DouthatNYT/status/797094439911034880 LOL He's right.
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Nov 11, 2016 16:12
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Nebalebadingdong posted:If we tweak your words, we find the truth:
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mcmagic posted:I don't really get it... Idgi either but the corncob is kinda cute though
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Honestly, I would go further than "including" anti-hate planks. Fighting racism and bigotry is going to become more important in the next two to eight years, not less; if the Democrats are quieter about these issues, less outspoken, move them to less prominent places in their platform, it is a betrayal of all the people who are going to suffer over the next however many miserable years. I don't disagree that pushing economic justice is very important, even vital, but this cannot come at the cost of being less of a fighter for the downtrodden. The only war is not class war. (Or, rather, there are more kinds of class than economic class.)
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Bad Decision Dino posted:I do not think the Millenials failed to turn out for this ellection. Is there some exit poll I missed? You are right, they had (I think) good turnout. While Millennials are more open to progressivism and socialism and stuff, they aren't going to automatically stay that way. We have to keep them energized
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Nov 11, 2016 16:13
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mcmagic posted:How many of the Obama-Trump voters knew they were voting for the Ryan budget? lol The few there were were voting against Hillary the wife of the man who they saw as responsible for finishing off the good jobs. BTW I want to extend my apology. I should never have attacked you. It was wrong, and you were completely right. Also at least you don't have Trump as an avatar. I have Trabiniskof being a whiny baby who thinks nazis need to be loved to thank for that. Crowsbeak fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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Quorum posted:Honestly, I would go further than "including" anti-hate planks. Fighting racism and bigotry is going to become more important in the next two to eight years, not less; if the Democrats are quieter about these issues, less outspoken, move them to less prominent places in their platform, it is a betrayal of all the people who are going to suffer over the next however many miserable years. I don't disagree that pushing economic justice is very important, even vital, but this cannot come at the cost of being less of a fighter for the downtrodden. The only war is not class war. (Or, rather, there are more kinds of class than economic class.) Oh, I totally agree, apologies if it seemed like I made this of lesser importance. It's going to be absolutely necessary to motivate people to come to the polls.
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Nov 11, 2016 16:15
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mcmagic posted:An Obama-Obama-Trump voter is a species of stupid piece of poo poo that I didn't believe could exist in the world. I'll say that here but I don't know how productive it is going forward as a bedrock of organizing. We need to get our votes out because they are enough to win with. No, this is fundamentally wrong. One of the central lessons of this election should be that GOTV has severe limits, especially when your opponents are willing to use blatantly racist suppression tactics to thwart it. Simply bringing out Democratic voters absolutely will not work until Democrats are able to regain widespread control at a state level.
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Nov 11, 2016 16:18
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Idgi either but the corncob is kinda cute though some guy made a tweet a couple years ago about a corncob, isn't that funny?
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Paradoxish posted:No, this is fundamentally wrong. One of the central lessons of this election should be that GOTV has severe limits, especially when your opponents are willing to use blatantly racist suppression tactics to thwart it. Simply bringing out Democratic voters absolutely will not work until Democrats are able to regain widespread control at a state level. She didn't run up the score in democratic areas the way Obama did. Wasn't she about 350K voters short in Detroit and Milwaukee? That combined with the voters she turned out because of their hatred for her is the election.
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mcmagic posted:An Obama-Obama-Trump voter is a species of stupid piece of poo poo that I didn't believe could exist in the world. I'll say that here but I don't know how productive it is going forward as a bedrock of organizing. We need to get our votes out because they are enough to win with. There is no such thing as 'our' votes. There *will* be shifts in how different demographics vote due to changing circumstances. America's changed in the last eight years and Democrats' view of what it was and what had happened in the last four elections was wrong.
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mcmagic posted:How many of the Obama-Trump voters knew they were voting for the Ryan budget? lol I'd hardly describe Merkel, Hollande, or Trudeau as right-nationalists, or even to the left of the Pope.
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Paradoxish posted:No, this is fundamentally wrong. One of the central lessons of this election should be that GOTV has severe limits, especially when your opponents are willing to use blatantly racist suppression tactics to thwart it. Simply bringing out Democratic voters absolutely will not work until Democrats are able to regain widespread control at a state level. Thats what many of us have been saying. We need to get people like Robert Gray running for local and state elections. Those will be who getus to retake this country. We don't need wallstreet types like we jsut was in WV.
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Nov 11, 2016 16:22
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Pedro De Heredia posted:There is no such thing as 'our' votes. There *will* be shifts in how different demographics vote due to changing circumstances. America's changed in the last eight years and Democrats' view of what it was and what had happened in the last four elections was wrong. You're saying that there are a lot of Obama-Trump voters here. I still need to wait to see the data on that because I don't believe it. Deadulus posted:http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/11/paul-ryan-says-medicare-privatization-is-on.html Trump did not campaign on this. Gonna be interesting to see if he wants to take that fight on.
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Deadulus posted:http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/11/paul-ryan-says-medicare-privatization-is-on.html I mean, remember what the original Tea Party signs said...
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greatn posted:I'd hardly describe Merkel, Hollande, or Trudeau as right-nationalists, or even to the left of the Pope. Hollande is toast, Teudeau seems like a ?, and Merkel is Merkel
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https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/797089127657308160Deadulus posted:http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/11/paul-ryan-says-medicare-privatization-is-on.html About that, Rep. Collins. I'd be fascinated to know if this goes the way of Bush's plan to privatize Social Security, or if Ryan's Ayn Rand fetishism truly takes hold this time.
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Nebalebadingdong posted:You can't be frozen by indecision. Its fine to lambast them as racist, but what I said about the dems and economic justice is true. It would've changed the outcome of this election, but even it wouldn't have, that's one of THE prime responsibilities of the Left. It always has been. If the left can't fight for justice for people (even racist people), then progressivism is full of poo poo. We should fight for progress, but I see it as more of a long term foundation-laying for the next generation. In the near term, hate and ignorance have the votes. But I live in Missouri, so maybe I have less cause for optimism than others.
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Quorum posted:lmao at wanting to purge people who are concerned for their immediate futures, please don't be the rear end in a top hat fake-progressive people are accusing you of being. Keith Ellison would not purge such people because he is a fundamentally decent human being, and the way forward as a party is to continue to push basic concepts of human rights. Yeah the infighting and need to "punish" people is really stupid and unnecessary. This isn't like Labour where the former establishment is waging war against the people's champion. We all want the same things and you should be happy that the establishment is accepting responsibility and stepping back.
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