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 October 5th, 1986, 1:00 PM  According to Genji-san, when tomorrow morning comes, the boat should arrive. The boat had a radio. We could probably contact the police directly with that. All of us gathered in the parlor, and decided to wait quietly until tomorrow. I proposed that we should search throughout the mansion for clues about the culprit, but Aunt Rosa rejected that, saying that if we managed to corner the culprit, or maybe provoke them, it might lead to a third murder. That was probably the right thing to do. If a bunch of amateurs like us investigated, there's no way we'd find anything. It would be wisest to focus on protecting ourselves without doing anything unnecessary, and leave it to the police after tomorrow. We had been tense in the beginning, but other than Aunt Rosa, most of the people had spent all afternoon watching TV and were getting bored, so our sense of danger had grown much less intense. When we thought about it, even though there certainly had been six adults killed at once in the first murder, that made us imagine that some back-handed method like poison had been used. And in the second murder, it was thought that those two had become sacrifices because they were unfortunately isolated from the rest of us. From this, we imagined that the culprit wasn't a large number of adults, and they weren't someone who could kill this large group gathered in the parlor all at once.  Furthermore, Aunt Rosa was even armed with a gun. Surely, with this many people staying in this room, they wouldn't be able to touch us easily. That feeling of security, along with the passage of time, allowed us to recover from the shock of that morning bit by bit... By the way, lunchtime had just ended for us. However, it had been a canned food lunch, a far cry from last night's dinner which Gohda-san had skillfully made for us. Aunt Rosa had also suspected that poison had been used in the murder of those six people. So, we probably couldn't deny the possibility that the culprit had snuck into the kitchen during all that confusion in the morning, and mixed poison in with the ingredients there. ...Aunt Rosa ordered all of us that, until the police came, we should not put anything into our mouths except safe foods like canned food. As a cook, Gohda-san must have felt very let down. As though he wanted to display his skill anyways, Gohda-san said that he at least wanted to bring the plates and pile them up with canned food. At first, Aunt Rosa had been reluctant, examining each one of the plates that were brought, but she hadn't been able to find anything to complain about, and Gohda's 'Chef's Pick Canned Food Combo Lunch' was born. Gohda-san said something about taste being savored not just with the tongue, but with the eyes too. I see, it's the same canned food we ate for breakfast, but it feels like something completely different...  As I was sitting lazily on the sofa, with no desire to watch TV, Maria came over, pulled a picture book out of her handbag, and held it out to me as she said that.  "...What is that book? 'Wolves and Sheep Puzzle'? Let's see." BGM: Melody (instrumental) At the time, I hadn't known what it meant, and then after that, there was the uproar when Jessica's corpse was found, so I'd forgotten about it completely. The book that Maria held out to me looked like a foreign picture book or something that had been translated. When I opened it, I realized that it was a book stuffed with riddles.  "Uu-. So there's several wolves and sheep, right? It's a puzzle to take them to the other side using one boat." "...Hmmmm? I've heard of a game with rules like this. This is the wolves and sheep puzzle?"It was a very simple puzzle, passed on from long ago. Let's try posing a question. On the right bank, there are two wolves and two sheep. There is a boat that as many as two animals can ride on, and using it, you have to move all four of them to the opposite left bank. That's the puzzle. There are two rules.  The second is regarding the wolves. When they are greater in number than the sheep in that location, they attack the sheep and it's game over. For example, at the start of the game... The two sheep ride the boat, and go to the other side. Then one sheep gets off, and the other goes back to the first bank. When it does, there are two wolves on the first bank. And a single sheep returns there. When that happens, there are more wolves, so the sheep is attacked and it's game over. On either bank or even the boat, there must not be more wolves than sheep. It's a puzzle about how to shuttle them across in the boat under these conditions. The game provides the solution to the Wolves & Sheep Puzzle here, but just for fun, I'm going to move it to the start of the next post. The first person in the thread to post a valid solution will be awarded with the honor of being at least as smart as Maria.  It looked like Maria wanted to test whether I too could solve the puzzles she knew how to solve, and she kept showing me different pages, saying 'solve this one' and 'this one's hard'. What had been happening when Aunt Rosa had said the name of this puzzle... That's right. When we'd decided to call Jessica, we had been talking about how many men should go, and Aunt Rosa had mentioned 'Wolves and Sheep Puzzle', saying that we should all go together...  "...Wait a sec..." BGM: At Death's Door And when the number of wolves and sheep was balanced, we were safe, but when a situation came up where that wasn't the case, the wolves bear their fangs... is that what she thought...? At the time we had found our parents corpses, Aunt Rosa had already suspected that the servants might be 'wolves'. She had sniffed out the possibility that, while she didn't know whether it was all of them or a group, some 'wolves' were hiding among them. That's no surprise. That murder scene was very elaborate. It was easy to imagine that there were multiple culprits. And because she had reached that conclusion, when we went to Jessica's room, where Jessica had been alone with a servant, Kanon, and had been killed, it isn't hard to imagine why Aunt Rosa had suspected the servants so persistently...   "My apologies, everyone. Let us go as a group." "...Shannon, Kumasawa. We are going." "Yes, yes, coming. Hoh-hoh-ho." "Well then, George-san, excuse me for now." "Yes... Take care. Ah, Aunt Rosa, could I go as well?" "I'm sorry, would you remain here, George-kun? There's something I want to talk to you about." "...Is that so? Sorry, Shannon. Anyways, take care. Don't be alone." "...Yes..." "I'm sorry, Doctor Nanjo. I wanted to consult you about something." "Yes, what could that be? ..."The servants put the utensils and empty cans on the serving cart and started to head out into the corridor. Behind them, Aunt Rosa was talking to Doctor Nanjo about something in a small voice.  "...Understood. I will go." "Yes, I am counting on you."Doctor Nanjo closed the book he had been reading, stood from the sofa, and followed after the servants... Aunt Rosa stuck her head out into the hallway, and after seeing them leave completely, she closed the door, and spoke.  "...Hmm? Yes, that is true..." "So you're saying that you've chased out all of the 'wolves'? Aunt Rosa."With that one sentence, Aunt Rosa's gaze grew sharp. Apparently she had picked up on the sarcasm. She laughed lightly.  "...Your mind sure works fast, Battler-kun. I like clever kids. It means there's less to explain." "Uu-. Battler, smart...? Can you solve this? Page 64 is hard. Uu-!" "Maria, watch TV for a while. Mama wants to talk with Battler-kun and George-kun." "...Uu-." "Aunt Rosa. I heard about the puzzle from Battler-kun. I don't think it's bad to be very careful, but I think being too suspicious isn't good either." BGM: Lure  "...Maybe the mystery guest, Beatrice-sama worked all night, and did it all." "And the case with the master key involving the door to Jessica's room? Isn't that proof that one of the servants was involved?" "...Nn..."Only the master key could have locked the door to Jessica's room. In that case, we can only suppose that one of the servants locked it... ...No, wait. "Turn the chessboard over. That's strange, Aunt Rosa." "...Th, that's right. It's just as Battler-kun says! There was no need for them to go to all the trouble of making themselves suspicious." "Yes. That's an interesting thought. Of course, I also thought that. If that's so, then the person who locked it wanted to cast suspicion on the servants, and locked that door without a master key. But that's impossible. Right?"...That's right. If there was a trick that could lock the door without a master key, this would be a good disguise aimed at casting doubt on the servants. If the culprit wanted us to isolate ourselves and attack us one by one, this trick would also be effective at giving rise to paranoia. However, there was no way to lock that door without using a master key...  "How can you make the claim that there's no way to lock the door without using a master key? Isn't that a Devil's Proof, like Rudolf nii-san was talking about? Maybe it was locked by a method we can't think of." "Even if we can't think of it, that doesn't mean we can deny that there was some unknown trick." "...That's also true. So is that it? The suspicious ones are guilty...?" "I don't know the practical details of the trick, but I have a general idea. My apologies, but if we supposed that Kanon-kun was the culprit, it can be explained extremely easily. Even as to why there was no corpse." "Huh... But Kanon-kun wasn't holding a master key, right?! Putting aside the other servants, at least Kanon-kun shouldn't have been able to lock the door!" "The brain speed of a little sister is always the big sister's minus 1. Right now there is no one I need to worry about, so I feel relieved."George-aniki realized that she was referring to aunt Eva, and seemed a little disturbed about how he should take that sarcasm...  "...I, I'm sorry. Could you explain it so that even I can understand? Kanon-kun's master key was in Jessica-chan's pocket, closed up inside a closed room. After the door was locked, it should have been impossible to put it in her pocket from outside the room no matter what trick he used...!" "That's not it, Aniki. If it was done in the way Aunt Rosa imagines... this trick could only be used by Kanon-kun. And, the door could be locked without a key, while the master key was still in Jessica's pocket. And, as a result, his corpse would also disappear." "H... how?! How would he lock the door without a key?!" "It's simple. George-kun, when you return home, you lock the door, right? You twist the knob, *click*, right?" "Huh...?! ...C, could it be... no, but, Kanon-kun wasn't anywhere..." "...It looks like you've got it, Aniki. That's what Aunt Rosa was searching inside the room for. She was searching for Kanon-kun, who had locked the door from the inside, stuck the key in Jessica's pocket, and was hiding somewhere, waiting for us to walk right past him." ...And if he could get out after those who discovered the body left, the closed room murder would work perfectly... "We searched that room, but we didn't find anything. But, that doesn't mean we know that the room didn't have something like a secret hidden passage that only the servants know about." "We don't know where that might be hidden, but if we assume that there was a hidden passage, we can make the claim that it was impossible for anyone except him."  "*cackle*cackle*... 'Kanon was killed in this room', right?" "Because you seemed to suspect Kanon as the culprit, you made me repeat this to destroy that possibility right away. I understand, I understand. *cackle*..." "...So this is what I thought next. A theory that there were actually three people in that room. Jessica and Kanon-kun were victims. And I thought that the culprit, the guest Beatrice, was also there with them." "You wanted to make it 'the human me' who committed the crime without using magic. I see, a strange theory that fits you perfectly. *giggle*giggle*." "...I guessed that you killed those two, then locked the door from the inside. And you carried Kanon-kun's corpse using some secret method that normal people wouldn't notice. In other words, you used a secret door to escape." "But you told me it in red. You said that there are no types of hidden doors." "So even without having to thoroughly search the room, a famous detective could claim that there are no secret passages. *cackle*cackle*, playing as human detectives is so easy." "drat you, talking so big... Thanks. Thanks to the witch's arrangement, I can claim that the room doesn't have a hidden door without searching the whole thing." "Indeed. There are no hidden doors in this room. There is no way to get in or out other than the door and the window." "...Which means that theory Aunt Rosa's so confident in... is wrong. Furthermore, it's annoying, but it's impossible to disprove that theory. If you, the witch, say 'there are no hidden doors' in red, then it's settled." "...However, no matter how much a human like me tries to argue against her, Aunt Rosa probably won't accept it. Humans can't prove there's no hidden door. It's a Devil's Proof. drat. It sure is convenient being a witch..." "You can't accept that, so you'd like to hear some reasoning that is easier to accept? There is none. I've been thinking the whole time. There's nothing but this!" "..." "George-kun, you had a good relationship with Shannon-chan, right? So I think it would be hard for you to accept that all of the servants are the culprits. I also don't want to believe that Shannon-chan is one of the culprits. But whether it's all of them or not, the culprit, or maybe an accomplice, is definitely in that group. You must not fail to see that!" "...If you thought that someone other than Kanon-kun was a wolf, then causing that uproar by saying that Kanon-kun was the culprit in Jessica's room was to see the servants' reactions...?" "Yes, that's right. And as a result, I began to suspect them even more. There certainly is a wolf among the servants. Certainly. And, just like the 'Wolves and Sheep Puzzle', while they are normally docile, they will surely attack if they get the chance." "...Jessica-chan was a lone sheep on the boat. In that puzzle, they may not attack when there is a balance between wolves and sheep, but our puzzle is different. Depending on the opportunity and the number of people, they'll attack even if there is a balance. Just like when Jessica-chan was killed!" "...Th, there's something I don't like! In that case, Shannon, who you had go to the kitchen, is in a dangerous situation, right?!! We should also go to the kitchen right now! No matter who might or might not be a wolf! If we can form a balance by gathering together, I think we should maintain that!!" "...Shannon-chan went to see Father along with Genji-san. At that time, she was supposedly isolated, but she wasn't killed. Because Genji-san wasn't a wolf either?" "Shannon isn't the kind of person who would take part in a crime!! Even if it's you, Aunt Rosa, I cannot ignore that. I demand that you take back what you just said...!" "...I hate to say this in front of Aniki, but that argument, feels just like something aunt Eva would say. If we can't argue back, then you automatically assume that you're right. Looks like you can't fight your blood after all, Oba-san." "...Even I don't think of myself as very praiseworthy right now. But guess what? I'm a mother! I would even become a demon to protect Maria's safety. I really wish I could shut myself away somewhere alone with Maria." "...But I also plan to act as a mother to you two. Right now, you are as good as my children. Even if you aren't my own children, I won't forsake you. Definitely." "...Sure, thanks." "I just wanted to warn you not to be careless, as your mother. Always remain where I can see you. I will protect you." "And at the same time, you'll be observing us to make sure we aren't 'wolves'. Yeah, thanks a lot for that. Can you, auntie, prove that you aren't a 'wolf' yourself?" "Yes, I can." "That's a quick answer. How?" "With this. This is my proof." But that was only for an instant. She immediately lowered the gun, laughing impishly... But to me, the time I spent staring down the barrel of the gun had felt like an eternity. "...How does that gun prove that you aren't the culprit, Aunt Rosa?" "Think about it. What if I were the culprit? Did you think I would let the once-in-a-lifetime chance I got when the servants left get away? I could just shoot you, *bang*, and think of a fitting excuse later. Something like, Beatrice appeared outside the window and shot you with a gun. I would claim that I fired off a second shot back at her, and throw away two shots worth of empty cartridges." "That's a crazy violent argument, but it does make sense. Ihihihi!" "Long ago, there's something Krauss nii-san often said. Might is right. I wonder if that's really true?" "...But understand. I want to protect you from the malicious culprit. I will become a demon to do that. That's all there is to it. I'm sorry for saying something that's angered you. Battler-kun, George-kun. Let's make up."An unsatisfied expression rose to George-aniki's face. He probably couldn't forgive the damage done to Shannon's honor. ...What about me...? Several bits of circumstantial evidence hinted at the servants' participation. I didn't want to believe that one of them was the culprit, or possibly colluding with the culprit, but in the current situation, that was nothing but wishful thinking. Who should I believe? In the first place, who was the culprit? Were there accomplices? If so, how many?! It seems that I've only been suspecting the people involved. I had quickly forgotten that 19th person, the guest, Beatrice, who had come yesterday and boldly called herself the Golden Witch. I hadn't actually seen her face. I'd heard that she was like a double of the witch in that portrait, but because I hadn't seen her directly, no matter how hard I tried, I couldn't really feel like a 19th person was on this island. So I had unconsciously been hallucinating that the culprit was one of the 18... drat it... Come out, Beatrice. If you're the bad guy, then act like the bad guy, and show yourself, laughing in a high-pitched voice and looking down on us. Just like the bad guy in one of those dramas who, even though they are exposed as the culprit, aggressively says 'is there any proof?'  "Shut up, no more talking..." It was only accented by the sound of Shannon and Kumasawa washing the dishes. Gohda was using the leftovers from breakfast and lunch as ingredients for a soup. Rosa had suspected that poison might have been added to the food, so they had decided to eat canned food, but it hadn't really been satisfying. But Gohda thought that she was being too careful. So he was spontaneously creating a soup to be served only to those that wanted to drink it. Shannon and Kumasawa were washing the dishes that the food had been arranged on. On the inside, they thought maybe Gohda should be the one to wash them since he had been the one who wanted the food on plates in the first place, but they left their complaints unsaid for the time being. Genji and Nanjo were facing each other across a crude chess set which had many years of experience. ...It had still only just begun. And because the opening game of the experienced players had been endlessly refined, it looked like a ceremony where they just moved specified pieces in a specified order.   "It was made only from sealed ingredients, so there won't be any poison mixed in. I am making enough for everybody, so please, eat. Of course, I will also taste for poison. Please feel secure and eat." "That really is a nice aroma. Gohda-san, the food you cook really is delicious." "It's natural that you can create delicious food if you buy delicious ingredients. My master taught me that perfecting your ability to make delicious food from whatever is at hand is what makes you a true cook." "That was a good master. Thanks to him, it looks like we can enjoy some truly delicious soup." "...Although it is a shame that it was made from ingredients intended for all of the family members to eat." "I'm sure that Rosa-san is also tired after everything that happened this morning. It is only natural." "But thanks to that, we get to drink some soup made from delicious ingredients, hoh-hoh-ho." The atmosphere in this place accepted that, but their hunger wouldn't be overcome by that momentary emotion. "Ironically, it has become a soup that we normally wouldn't be able to savor. I would like to also serve it to everyone in the parlor, but...?" "...Seeing that would violate Rosa-sama's instructions, it would be better to give it up. It is alright if only those who want to drink it do so." "Hoh-hoh-hoh-ho. Skillfully taking a breather when no one is looking is also something a servant knows, isn't it."When Kumasawa cackled, Shannon and Gohda also laughed. It seemed that, in an area where only their fellow servants were gathered, they could be very relaxed. Shannon didn't like Gohda's occasional dishonesty, but she knew that there was no falsehood in his childish smile when he cooked food, nor in his desire that people enjoy his food. So even though it was a little aggravating to be made to wash the dishes, she couldn't really hate him. However, they couldn't have dreamed that Rosa was calling them wolves in the parlor at exactly the same moment that they were spending their time peacefully like this...  It seemed like the sound made by a servant outside the back door when they were carrying a mountain of trash bags on a rainy day, or maybe when a servant was returning from work wearing a raincoat. So after hearing that sound, at first, none of them noticed anything out of the ordinary...  BGM: Play As the servants all looked at each other, they checked to make sure that each one of them knew what that sound meant.  "Wh... who could it be...?"The servants knew the mansion's layout well. So they understood how incomprehensible it would be for someone from the parlor to actually go outside in this typhoon, go all the way around, and come up to this back door. Then was it Kinzo? They couldn't imagine that Kinzo, who never left his study, would dash out into the middle of this typhoon and come to the back of the house, where only low class people came in or out.  "...Th... that wasn't, our imagination, was it...?" "...Awawawawawawawawa..."Shannon and Kumasawa drew close together, fearfully looking at the back door...  "...Wh... who is it...?"As Gohda fearfully approached the back door, he called out. And he checked with his eyes the location of a butcher's knife set in a nearby sink. He didn't pick it up yet. Because there was still a possibility that this was a member of the family. However, that possibility wasn't possible... There was no response from across the door to Gohda's initial question. Maybe his voice had been so quiet that it hadn't reached through all the wind and rain outside.  "...Genji-san." "...Hmm. Stand back, Doctor Nanjo and the women." "...Wh... who in the world could it be..."Genji took a knife with a classical design from a stationary box placed near the chess set. It was something to be used instead of a paper knife to open envelopes for statements of delivery and bills. But it was fundamentally a knife. So the blade on it could injure someone... Genji hid it in his sleeve with a well-practiced manner. Then they both approached the back door, Gohda silently signaling his approval. Gohda cautiously approached the back door, and slowly started to open it...  "Wa, wahyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...!!!"The shadow of a person suddenly shuffled into sight, landed on its knees, and fell over. Gohda fell backwards onto his backside and couldn't get up. That human shadow was soaked with rain, smeared with mud, and drenched with blood...  "...Kanon. Are you alright...? Doctor Nanjo...!"It was Kanon. His breath was feeble, and the puddles of mud he left quickly became drenched bright-red. When Nanjo held him and turned him face up, there was a deep, gruesome scar right in the center of his chest, as though a spear or something had been stuck there. Even now, deep-red blood poured out from there...! "Th, th th... this is horrible... Wh, what shall we do, first aid kit? First aid kit?!" "Kanon-kun, put your hand against the wound! Please, push firmly! Let's carry him to the bed in the servants' room!! Everyone, please, lend a hand." "C, come now, Kanon-san! Please, hang in there a little longer...!" "Hang in there!! It's alright now!! So don't take your hand from the wound...!!" "Anyways, let's carry him to the servants' room. Kumasawa, inform Rosa-sama that we have found Kanon."
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The puzzle: 1 wolf and 1 sheep cross, 1 sheep returns, 2 sheeps cross, 1 wolf returns, 2 wolves cross. Uu ~ uu!
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ProfessorProf posted:
I love how in this episode Rosa is in many ways echoing Natsuhi from EP1, except with a... slightly different mood.
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Nov 10, 2016 15:48
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Lisonfire posted:The puzzle: 1 wolf and 1 sheep cross, 1 sheep returns, 2 sheeps cross, 1 wolf returns, 2 wolves cross. Uu ~ uu! The solution checks out! There are several, because this is a puzzle for children.
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MonsterEnvy posted:Wait this does not make any sense. Why not? I've been wondering if there was something I missed, or if Kanon couldn't have just been tossed out the window, which was then closed behind him. That part of the mystery seems very unmysterious. Did anyone even look out the window? This could be Kanon, if there's a distinction between where he was "killed" and where he "died": a wound which eventually proved fatal was inflicted in the room. I'm not 100% sure it really is him, and not someone with a similar build, but ever since Maria got that umbrella, I have been insanely suspicious of Rosa, so I'm biased towards anything which confirms that suspicion. e: I should add that I only read Prof's posts in the thread up to the point where I started posting, so sorry if all this has been ruled out before, and thanks for doing an awesome LP Prof!
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Doc Hawkins posted:Why not? I've been wondering if there was something I missed, or if Kanon couldn't have just been tossed out the window, which was then closed behind him. That part of the mystery seems very unmysterious. Did anyone even look out the window? This is a good theory, and I believe it doesn't contradict the Red Truth at all. Kanon's time of death was never confirmed
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Nov 10, 2016 17:27
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Kanon's profile says "he is dead, the witch declared it in red" but whether you consider the profiles a reliable source of information is up to you
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I'm pretty confused, I won't lie. The red states he's dead, but there he is, living and breathing, more or less. Wordplay seems to be the key here, as people have mentioned before, and the locking of Kanon's key in the room necessitates either a servant as a culprit, or one of them having given their key to the culprit. Maybe a trick along the lines of swapping out a servant's master key for a fake while they slept would work without making them an accomplice? Gohda stated that everyone has their keys, but unless everyone demonstrates that they function as master keys, this can be doubted. I'm being picky about this, and I'm not sure if I'm seeing stuff that isn't there, but Jessica's room doesn't make sense given the red we have. The only blood anyone notices is the pool under Jessica. Yet, when Kanon appears in the kitchen, he's drenched in blood. Regardless of how he got out of Jessica's room, there should have been at least some blood. In the first game, Kumasawa picked up on the small traces in the dining hall, and Rosa searches the room this time, right? She also comes to the conclusion that Kanon is probably the culprit, meaning that nothing in the room points to his death. Did the culprit really clean up only Kanon's blood before leaving? That doesn't make sense. If the goal was to frame Kanon, why leave the magic circles that point to this being a crime committed by the witch? The second twilight necessitates two sacrifices, but Beatrice has only taken one. On the level of the gameboard, why only wound him when there's a doctor on the island? We know he's going to die because of the red, but why run that risk? This move makes no sense. Beatrice is taking waaaay more risks than is at all necessary compared to the first game, and is contradicting her own message to the survivors by letting Kanon escape. I just don't get it.
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This much at least is easy enough to explain. Being able to commit these crimes with Magic, the witch is quite confident in her victory and is simply toying with the foolish Battler, now.
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There's also the argument of wordplay if that's such a factor. If Kanon killed Jessica, as per the running theory, then it could potentially involve a death of identity - "Kanon", the human servant who was starting to come out of his shell and fall for her, died when she did. But "Kanon", the furniture (in the witch's familiar sense we were introduced to with LIGHTSABER GOATMEN) who has no aims of his own but to serve his keeper, was still alive and acting at another's bidding. Granted, he doesn't look like he's alive for long.
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tiistai posted:I love how in this episode Rosa is in many ways echoing Natsuhi from EP1, except with a... slightly different mood. Absolutely, since we know that she already becomes a demon from her scenes... and not to protect. As demonstrated by her "Oh look, let's just point a rifle at my loving nephew for a second" thing. Though I don't really blame her by suspecting Genji (because I suspect him myself, for many reasons, and apparently he also knows how to use knives in combat? hm), and she does seem to be thinking about things in a logical manner, instead of mostly freaking out about things, so that's a step up. As for Kanon suddenly showing up... he might be another goatman/schoolgirl in disguise if magic is on the table as long as it isn't witnessed by Battler, but on the other hand, we didn't see him really die, did we? We just saw his body "disappear" so it's possible he's just mid-death throes, but the Red did state he died in that room, but the time wasn't mentioned...
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resurgam40 posted:Absolutely, since we know that she already becomes a demon from her scenes... and not to protect. As demonstrated by her "Oh look, let's just point a rifle at my loving nephew for a second" thing. Though I don't really blame her by suspecting Genji (because I suspect him myself, for many reasons, and apparently he also knows how to use knives in combat? hm), and she does seem to be thinking about things in a logical manner, instead of mostly freaking out about things, so that's a step up. That said, while I don't much suspect Rosa (viewpoint character, and all), the idea of "why wouldn't I just loving shoot everyone here if I did it" is... not a particularly good way to prove one's innocence, no matter how much they seem to be acquiescing to the crazy lady with a gun right now. KataraniSword fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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Killed vs died... are we really going to have to nitpick the witch's words so closely? How troublesome.
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curiousCat posted:Killed vs died... are we really going to have to nitpick the witch's words so closely?
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I'm not really certain what the situation with Kanon(?) being here is, but I do have a bit of a theory regarding Jessica's closed room. Rosa alluded to how a door could be locked without a key by simply twisting on the knob on the door handle to lock it. Couldn't the killer have done that right before they left the room? It's something that I do everyday when I leave home, so I'm kinda confused why this couldn't be the case here. Also, Gohda, wash the dishes goddamn. I like you, but please stop slacking off.
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EagerSleeper posted:Couldn't the killer have done that right before they left the room? It's something that I do everyday when I leave home, so I'm kinda confused why this couldn't be the case here. No trick could have the effect of locking the door from the outside without using a key.
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Just because Battler refuses to suspect a servant doesn't need mean we need to be that dumb. Maybe one of them is a collaborator. Maybe one of them didn't have their key for a bit. It's by far the simplest answer.
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curiousCat posted:Killed vs died... are we really going to have to nitpick the witch's words so closely? I can tell you right now that we spent a good 2 years nitpicking the Red Truth in the umineko fandom when these games were coming out. It's just part of the fun, honestly.
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ProfessorProf posted:No trick could have the effect of locking the door from the outside without using a key. If we're nitpicking "killed" vs "died", I think we could also argue that such a locking mechanism would have the effect of locking the door from the inside, not the outside.
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I don't think that holds up even when we are arguing about things as silly as "killed vs died". Even if you argue down to like, the physical science of the door locking, the external force is clearly coming from outside the door.
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Doors that lock by twisting a knob only do so from the inside, or else it wouldn't be much of a lock. You lock it from inside the room, then close the door behind you when you leave. Unless I'm misunderstanding something here? e: Maybe I was unclear. To clarify, I'm talking about this: EagerSleeper posted:Rosa alluded to how a door could be locked without a key by simply twisting on the knob on the door handle to lock it. Couldn't the killer have done that right before they left the room? Telum fucked around with this message at 03:53 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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I guess what we're asking is do people die when they are killed? 
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KataraniSword posted:I don't much suspect Rosa (viewpoint character, and all), I think this is a mistake, and I'm going to try to justify my suspicions. While Maria is in the garden in episode 1, she gets an umbrella. She says she was given it by the witch Beatrice. When we first see Rosa after when that meeting have happend, she's sleeping. When she wakes up, she expresses surprise that it's already six o'clock. Maybe it's just the anime-melodrama of the writing, and my prejudice at Rosa and her daughter both acting so "crazy," but my first thought was that she's losing time and walking around as Beatrice. My second thought was that this was dumb, but I couldn't shake it. Nothing that has happened since has disproved it. I mean, there's that bit at the beginning of episode 2 when we see that when Rosa is cruel to Maria, she says that "wasn't mama" but just "a bad witch." So if Rosa did something nice to her, is that a good witch? Where the gently caress did Maria get this idea? For that matter, where and when did she learn encyclopedic knowledge of seals of solomon and whatever else, when her mother hates it so goddamn much? I've thought it could be an influence of the absent father, which would also explain it making Rosa so mad, but then if Maria learned it from him, it becomes extra-weird that she never mentions him. Has she even met him? Also, this possibility also doesn't occur to the kids when they discuss what the hell Maria's problem is. The entire discussion made my eyebrows raise drat near off my head. I apologize for quoting this much of it, and I'll summarize it first: they decide that it's common for kids to invest their identity in learning obscure fields of knowledge with imaginary utility and projecting an alternate persona with power to cover their vulnerability, and that girls who do this especially like using occult stuff. I.E., being witches. quote:
Imagine what Rosa's childhood is like. Youngest of four brilliant siblings with powerful personalities, raised on a private island. She's surrounded by forests filled with will-o-the-wisps. She lives in a mansion stuffed with legends of the golden witch. Her father is obsessed with this figure, and the occult in general and has an extensive library. All of her brothers and sisters dismiss this side of him. She matches the scenario they're talking about more than perfectly. She's set up to be (at least in anime-melodrama-land) completely dissociative. So, my yet-to-be-disproven belief is that Rosa punishes Maria for reminding her of what she was like as a child. (There's also a bit where Battler is pained by the discussion reminding him of doing embarrasing EDF games as a kid.) But then she loves and teaches Maria about the occult, and forgets about it. These shifts have reasonably left Maria hella messed up, and so mental illness and continue to run in the family (which, as an aside, makes me look hella askance at all the times people have said "this house has two masters, one of the day and one of the night.") Also there's this: ProfessorProf posted:
She doesn't have her own body, but she's definitely a person who exists. If you rule out all supernatural stuff, but keep melodramatic stuff, what's left, besides: quote:That scene also underlines the theme of the power of suggestion and the meaning of "existing". Battler jokes that they servants are about to say Beatrice is standing right behind him, after which they and Maria start looking at the same spot behind him, insisting that she "exists." I think there's a shared delusion which (at least) Maria and Rosa both command and/or inhabit at different times. Also, maybe I'm just face-blind, but I think guest-Beatrice resembles Rosa with contacts and hair dye, and there's something super-fishy happening with the portrait change in this episode. But I can't explain it, or explain how the siblings "confirm" as a group that she's Beatrice. They'd need a very powerful reason to want to believe it...maybe the gold? Doc Hawkins fucked around with this message at 06:13 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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"Therefore, during the period when they try to separate themselves from other children, they also try to take on personalities different from those around them. if what separates kids and adults is knowledge and experience, then...?"
"If you look at it in a good way, the growing period, by forcing you to separate yourself from others, pushes you to gain skills and knowledge that no one else has. This is also interesting from a sociological standpoint. Because people hate being like everyone else, they try to learn skills that other people don't know. In this way, society can acquire the broad range of skills it needs to survive. The quality of the gods' programming is truly surprising."
"Well, individual personalities can also be negative, right? Like when everyone in the class is studying hard, and I'm just slacking off, it sticks out."
"After all, boys do tend to focus more on physical things. But you know? Girls of the same age tend to focus more on emotional things. I'll bet there were groups of girls in your classes that were really interested in fortune telling and their spiritual senses."
"Yeah, yeah! There was, there was! They'd come over, asking me for my sign and my blood type! And then they'd laugh 'Aah, I thought so, *giggle* *giggle*!' It really got on my nerves. No matter which class you go to, girls like fortune telling. Deciding whether your spirit sense was strong or weak, what your sensitivity was, whether you could see things that couldn't be seen. That kind of thing definitely happened."
"Just like when boys enter their growing period, and start acting tough and rebel against adults, when girls enter their growing period, they start getting interested in that kind of thing. Well, I didn't though!"
"You see it all the time in manga and anime right? It's kinda like that. Like memories from antiquity are revived. Like someone's possessed by the soul of the great something, or whatever."
"Furthermore, in their desire to separate themselves from being kids, they always project an image of their ideal imagination, and it's not rare for the image of their desire to become an alternate personality. Even you, Battler-kun, I'm sure your character is a little different at home and at school, right? It would probably be embarrassing if anyone at school saw how you were at home. At school, you try to project yourself as you want to be, but home is where you are your true self."
"So, in other words, I'm changing my character for different situations. Are you trying to say that having multiple personalities is actually really common?"
"A girl who is a fan of the occult might say that she's being possessed and then reawakened. Honestly, there are some kids who can suddenly change their personalities. Even some boys, right? Guys who just blow their top and suddenly become violent. I'll bet they think it's pretty cool, but it's painful to watch."
"If you bring it all together simply, that's what it means. Identity is an important thing used to build up one's sense of self. If you make fun of that, it could actually cause children to go back into their shell. So it's important to go along with them to some degree. Although whether that is accepted is determined by the broad-mindedness of the parent."
"She knew about it. Just between us, aunt Rosa really hated it. She said it was unpleasant, and that Maria was becoming increasingly isolated from the rest of the class. So any time Maria started talking about the occult or laughing like a witch, she would slap her... And it looks like Maria stopped talking that way in front of her."
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Zack Ater posted:Which Prof replied to with the red text (which I then quoted and replied to.) I'm saying that if there is such a lock, it could used to lock the door from inside the room before leaving, in which case it doesn't contradict the red text. I think I understand what you're saying, given we have doors here that work like that - where if you lock the door (from the 'inside') while it's open, it will remained locked after it's closed. It comes down, then, to if that counts as "a trick" and if the door unlocks when it closes/can be locked when it's open.
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This isn't red truth, but to point out: If it was that easy to lock the door and then close it from the outside, I'd think one of the multiple people who have lived in this house for years would have pointed it out by now.
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Zack Ater posted:Doors that lock by twisting a knob only do so from the inside, or else it wouldn't be much of a lock. You lock it from inside the room, then close the door behind you when you leave. Unless I'm misunderstanding something here? Thank you, you explained it much clearer than my attempt. I think this is how this locked room could bedone, and there's no witchcraft required. Edit: but Rosa did point it out, and she was lived in the mansion for years. Additionally, the killer probably didn't even use the amazing ability to lock the door from the inside like a sensible person would, and probably jumped out the window because it would be cool. EagerSleeper fucked around with this message at 06:57 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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EagerSleeper posted:Thank you, you explained it much clearer than my attempt. I think this is how this locked room could bedone, and there's no witchcraft required. Rosa pointed out that the door could be locked from inside without a key; she (and the servants) also apparently believed that it wouldn't be trivial to leave the door in a locked state while being outside. These two things are not mutually exclusive. There are doors which can't be closed while locked, for example, especially older ones - if they don't have a tapered latch, it'll just bang on the doorframe. No contradiction necessary.
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The idea of Rosa-as-human-Beatrice makes a little too much sense for me to dismiss out of hand... Disassociation is almost always caused by severe abuse/trauma, and she displays other signs of abuse clearly, much like her daughter. I can't really give it more credit than that it makes sense from a psychological/"where the hell did Maria learn this poo poo" standpoint at the moment, but it's something to keep in mind. After all, she was the only sibling to survive the chapel. She is likely partly responsible for that particular murder, at least. There are holes, absolutely, but I can't dismiss it without seeing more for or against the theory.
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What if the surviving adult family member is the Witch each time? That would fit in with how "Beatrice" shot Natsuhi last time. I felt that was out of character of the witch to use a gun but if she did it while possessing Natsuhi it would make a lot more sense.
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We don't actually know if Beatrice wasn't armed herself, keep in mind. She could have just outdrew Natsuhi and hid the gun somewhere up her big skirt.
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Like Clockwork posted:After all, she was the only sibling to survive the chapel. She is likely partly responsible for that particular murder, at least. On that subject (and again, sorry if this was discussed at the time), I'm also hyper-suspicious of the victims in that case: no one checked them close enough to see that all of them were really cut open (instead Rosa said they should all shut the bodies in and never go back), and I'm pretty sure when Beato encouraged Battler to shove his hands in his parents' guts, she's actually trying to discourage him from doing so, much like the wind inadvertently does in the Sun and the Wind story. Also thank you for considering my crazy theory about craziness. 
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Wolves and Sheep Puzzle solution: Both wolves take the boat to the far bank. One wolf takes the boat to the near bank. Both sheep take the boat to the far bank. one wolf takes the boat to the near bank. Both wolves take the boat to the far bank. Transport successful.  "...Wh, what do you mean, Kanon-kun...!" "...It's alright for now. Let us quickly carry him to the servants' room. Kumasawa, do not tell Rosa-sama yet. We will do it after we hear the situation from Kanon." "Y, yes... hiiiiiiii..."After appearing in this horrible state, he had said not to tell Rosa. That could only mean something very disquieting. An eerie impatience rose to their faces... "C, come now, everyone! Let's hurry and carry him...! Quickly, quickly...!" "...This is... horrible... It appears that he has been stabbed with something like a spear. I, If it hasn't reached the lungs, I might be able to do something... Anyways, stop the bleeding...!" No matter how much Nanjo tried to wipe off that gushing deep-red blood, he couldn't wipe it he couldn't wipe it he couldn't wipe it all away...! And each time, the wound was aggravated, causing Kanon to cry in anguish... "Kanon-kun, Kanon-kun Kanon-kun! Hang in there... hang in there...!!" "Doctor Nanjo! A new towel...! How, horrible...!!" "What is his condition...?" "...In all honesty, it is so severe that I cannot believe he is alive... Maybe the location of the stab was fortunate... But the blood loss is too horrible...! A blood transfusion is necessary, but that's impossible until tomorrow...!" "D, don't talk, Kanon-kun! Your wound will open...!" "...Rosa-sama, came... t, to Milady... and me..." "Wh, what did you say..." "Rosa-sama... did...? Ooooooh, could that mean, could that mean..." "...Are you certain?" "Yes... I'm certain... it was Rosa-sama..." "Come now, don't speak any more...! Kumasawa-san, please grab another first aid kit!" BGM: Stupefaction "...I do not know."Disregarding Nanjo and Kumasawa, who were struggling hard and stained with blood as they tried to stop the bleeding, Genji and Gohda faced each other... Because if what Kanon had said was the truth, Rosa was the culprit who killed Jessica.  Kanon screamed even more hatefully... His hate-filled voice made it seem like he was seeing Jessica being harmed right before his eyes. "...C, certainly, Rosa-sama may have had a reason to kill Milady. If everyone in the Ushiromiya family were destroyed, the inheritance would all go to Rosa-sama..." "If so, Battler-sama and George-sama are in danger...! Not only is Rosa-sama holding a gun, but right now, they are the only ones in the lounge...! Genji-san, isn't this quite perilous...!" "..." "..." ...Her expression was complex and tragic, as though she didn't know what to believe... Shannon ran. To where? The inside of the mansion had been scrupulously cleaned, so it probably wouldn't be easy to find. She might find it if she searched the rose garden, but she would probably lose it all in this wind and rain... That's right... the boiler room isn't cleaned very often. If she went there, ...she might be able to find it... Shannon ran downstairs to find that in the underground boiler room...  ...For the time being, Kanon had at least gotten over his painful gasping. Nanjo apparently didn't think of this as that great of a trend, and didn't let his eyes off Kanon for a second. Kumasawa firmly gripped Kanon's hand, and kept encouraging him so that the willpower keeping him alive didn't fall asleep. Genji and Gohda seemed bewildered at the truth that Kanon had risked his life to deliver... "...Rosa-sama's gun surely has four or five shots loaded." "That is no small number. But loading cartridges into a Winchester should require quite a lot of practice. She might be able to get one shot off, but if everyone attacks her at once, we should be able to take the gun from her before she shoots again..." "...On this island, while there is a doctor, there is no medicine, and no hospital. If the location where the shot hits is bad, that person will die." "I understand that, but... More importantly, if we don't move quickly, there is also the possibility that another crime will occur...! I get the feeling that Rosa-sama skillfully chased us out. There is a possibility that George-sama and Battler-sama are being killed right about now...!" "..." "...Ho... hohohohoho. If the opponent is so dangerous, wouldn't it be better if we didn't provoke them too much...?" "But there is still much time before tomorrow comes...! We can't even imagine what strategy she will use! Genji-san, we should wage war from here. If we can at least steal the gun under some pretext, things might work out...!" "There are four or five cartridges, are there not? That means there aren't enough to kill all of us... If we don't carelessly provoke her, surely even Rosa-sama wouldn't be unreasonable..."  Video: KanonBGM: Closed my Heart Kanon, who they thought had been sleeping quietly, suddenly started talking brightly. Almost like he had been awake the whole time and had suddenly opened his mouth. He looked firm and steady, and Nanjo was slightly relieved, but thinking of the deepness of that wound, he just couldn't wipe away a certain creepy feeling. He knew because he was a doctor. It wouldn't have been unexpected if Kanon had lost consciousness after losing so much blood. And yet somehow, he had preserved his awareness so clearly. Was it youth? Or was it tenacity? Sometimes, the power of human life surpassed common knowledge... When they had stopped the bleeding, Nanjo had groped around a bit inside the bleeding hole with tweezers, to make sure there were no foreign objects inside the affected area, and the great depth of the wound had surprised him. The wound had certainly reached as far as his lungs. And yet, and yet... ...No, on the other hand, the fact that he is alive is fortunate... But Kanon had spoken clearly. He had hatefully said that the one named Rosa had created this wound, and was repeating curses and enraged words.  "...drat...! What a person... Genji-san, what should we do?! Are there any weapons we can..." "...I cannot believe it so suddenly. That Rosa-sama would do something like..." "Genji-sama, it isn't a question of whether you believe or not. That person told me. I heard it. WHY won't you believe me?" "D, don't get up... You'll harm your wound..."Kanon sat up on the bed, speaking to Genji, who made no effort to believe Kanon's story. "That person will definitely kill all of us. She's surely killed all of the people in the parlor by now. If we don't kill her first, we'll definitely be killed first. Just like how I was killed first, everyone else will also be killed first. Kill or be killed. Kill or be killed kill or be killed." "...K, Kanon-san... you... does it really not hurt...?" "...Oh, this? It isn't a serious wound." "Wh... what do you mean, not a serious wound... you..." "It really isn't a big deal. Something like this won't hurt anymore, it really isn't a serious wound." The gruesome hole in his chest was immediately exposed... "K, Kanon-san...! You must not do something like that! Quickly, lie down...!" "I said it's fine... Hey. See...? It is, not a serious wound, right...?"Kanon showed off his gaping wound, which was still slowly spitting out foamy blood. Everyone averted their eyes reflexively. "Look, I told you that it wasn't a serious wound at all..." "S, stop... you must not play with your wound..." "...Hey, see? It isn't, a deep wound... Look. Look."Kanon held up two fingers, showed them to everyone, and slowly started to stick them into the gruesome wound right in the center of his chest... Plunging, slimy, squishy, wet. The finger, went in deep, to the base... *squish*, *gloop*, *bloop*... "Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii...!! K K K, Kanon-san, stop it, stop it...!!"That finger was completely sticking into his chest, up to its base, and then he slowly pulled it out in exactly the same way... The fingers he pulled out, were stained a sticky, solid, deep-red color, and there was even a thread hanging... The finger was, up to its base, covered in deep-red... "...Y... you... wh, wh wh, what in the world..." At that time, the door was opened vigorously, and Shannon appeared. Even after she saw Kanon, stained with fresh blood, her impregnable expression didn't falter. "...Hey, Nee-san. Where'd you go? I'm on the verge of death here, where'd you go?" "...Huh... eeeh...?"It was only natural. Everyone believed he was Kanon. So they couldn't understand the meaning of Shannon's question. When they looked, they noticed that Shannon was holding a handkerchief in her hand. It was filthy, and looked like it had wiped up some trash or dust. And while holding that, she approached Kanon... and drew close to his legs. "What is that...?" "It's a handkerchief with a spider's web wiped onto it." "...Why something like that?" "...Hahaha, oh no. Why would I hate spiders?" "Sorry, I'll try it." "...Sh, Shannon-san." When Shannon brought that handkerchief close to Kanon's thigh, ...something happened in an instant. It happened all at once. The human eye couldn't have followed it. Kanon jumped like a wild goat, fleeing from the thing Shannon was holding. Then, from his arm, some kind of afterglow flashed purple and drew a locus. That arc, which drew three beautiful purple trails, traced across the throats of Nanjo and Kumasawa, who had been tending to him.  The third purple locus should have traced across Shannon's throat. But Shannon wasn't there. Because Genji, who had been behind her, had wrapped his own arm around Shannon's neck and pulled her back. This all happened in an instant. "...!!!"In the instant Gohda tried to think fast in an attempt to understand this scene, the frozen moment in time shattered.  BGM: Red Dread Kanon jumped and kicked off a picture frame that had been hanging from the wall behind him, springing forward just like a cat, and aiming for Shannon's throat again. But Kanon's target once again disappeared from in front of him. Because Genji had pulled Shannon again, and the two of them had fallen onto the ground as though hiding. "Nice reflexes, you senile old furniture!!" "...Gohda!" "O, ooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhh!!"Gohda wasn't an idiot either. Even if he couldn't fully understand what was going on, he at least realized that if this 'Kanon' wasn't seized, his own life would also be in peril. He sprung at Kanon with his huge body, pushing him up against the wall with his weight and physical strength. "Ooooooooooooooooooohhh...! Whoaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!" "L, et... go, you fatass!!"Another purple trail was drawn from the tips of the fingers on Kanon's right hand. And when he raised that hand like a sword, aiming at Gohda's back, there was a loud *thunk*. Because Kanon's raised hand had been pinned in the wall. He couldn't tear his palm away from the wall.  Under normal circumstances, it should have been surprising to see someone as old as Genji handle a knife so skillfully, but in this abnormal space, no one payed it much mind.  "Genji-sama, here...!" "...Yes."Genji took the handkerchief with the spiderweb stuck to it from Shannon. And he approached Kanon, who was pinned to the wall by Gohda's massive body and the knife. "St...op it...!! Don't bri, bring that close...!! Stop it, st, op!! Gyaooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh!!"When Genji pushed the handkerchief up to Kanon's face, there was a sound just like the one you hear when you set meat on a red-hot iron plate. Of course, the smell was the same too. As he was burned and inflamed, festering in filthy red and black, and cried out in his death throes, Kanon's body burst open and scattered.  Those butterflies began to softly fade into nothingness, as though water, no, as though the air itself was evaporating... and afterwards, all that was left was the three of them sitting on their butts, stained with blood. However, not everyone was just stained with blood. Some of them were lying on the ground, vomiting blood themselves.  A slit so sharp that it looked like it could cut your finger if you touched it opened wide, causing large amounts of blood to keep pouring out... "What was that, j, just now..." "..." "...Gohda. Have you been injured?" "I, I am alright... But, what did we see?! What happened?! E, ev- ev-, even though I definitely pushed that against this wall with this hand! I cannot understand what happened...!!"Gohda looked at his own hand. The bright-red blood left from his scuffle with Kanon, definitely remained. And yet, Kanon was nowhere to be seen. Because he had disappeared. He had turned into gold butterflies and scattered. Gohda kept screaming alone, without a clue about what was going on.  
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All right, tomorrow is the start of Extra Life, so I'll see you again on Monday, thread.
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So um, what was that about nitpicking?  Honestly, if we take the "Witch Beatrice is a mental state that affects other people" theory to heart, Kanon apparently got hit with it hard.At least this one is easy enough to solve for the reader, I mean, lightsaber or no lightsaber, three survivors just saw a dude flip out and murder an old lady and a doctor, obviously due to some sort of near-death delirium of his own.
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Prof, you forgot to update Nanjo and Kumasawa's profiles.
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When I get home, I'll double-check if the profiles have updated at this point, and update them in the thread if so. Sometimes it doesn't until Battler finds the scene of the crime.
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Okay, I don't like this. Kanon burst into butterflies, meaning I'm pretty sure that he's done a vanishing act again. So, was he dying, got carried into the servant's room, then the culprit finished him off, killed Nanjo and Kumasawa, then legged it with Kanon's body? What the gently caress, Beatrice.
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KataraniSword posted:So um, what was that about nitpicking? I thought that it was Beatrice herself "turned" into Kanon; weather its makeup/special effects, magic, or drugs it seems clear that it was Beatrice or maybe one of her servants. This would be a better reveal for her servants imho, cause the goat demon/ vocaloid satan was exceptionally dumb, so much that I'm gonna just pretend it never happened since it didn't.
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ProfessorProf posted:When I get home, I'll double-check if the profiles have updated at this point, and update them in the thread if so. Sometimes it doesn't until Battler finds the scene of the crime. You can hear the update sound in the video at 8:52 and I double-checked with the PC version of the game. They're updated. It's admittedly an unusual timing. tiistai fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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