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Sylink posted:I feel like the worst outcome so far is the legitimization of the conspiracy tiny media bubbles like Breitbart and other alt-right crockshit. Absolutely. Doesn't matter what we say to rural whites because all they see is Breitbart headlines on Facebook.
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:One of my professors said to me yesterday that "sometimes it's better to flee before it seems reasonable." I would have to agree. I have Polish ethnicity on my mom's side and would prefer not to be holocausted.
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Nov 11, 2016 18:02
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Doredrin posted:Is there any indication as to what Trump is going to do about the Jewish Question? I imagine the alt-right are giving him some advice on this topic.
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Nov 11, 2016 18:02
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Lessail posted:gently caress the media whitewashing and normalizing Trump It's gonna be bad for the next couple months. Let him ease into the White House for a bit and the media will lose any incentive to make him look presidential - to the contrary, they'll have every motivation to tear him apart the next time he says something stupid and sensational. We know this is a when not if scenario.
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Nov 11, 2016 18:00
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Lessail posted:gently caress the media whitewashing and normalizing Trump 
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Nov 11, 2016 18:02
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The democrats will have a perfect opportunity to frame the 2020 presidential election as "fake populist vs. real populist" if they play their cards correctly. Trump ain't gonna do poo poo for working class people with the GOP in all three branches.
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Nov 11, 2016 18:02
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Nov 11, 2016 18:01
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:A majority of people still voted against Trump. It is extremely important to remember Hillary won the popular vote. 150 million registered voters did not turn out for the Democratic Party's nominee. By definition that is a majority that cares more about themselves and their own families than others. And polls bear it out, as economic, health, and even environmental issues have consistently topped the lists nationally over any discussions about race for decades. The DLC targeted hearts and fear, and figured that would be sufficient; voters in America by and large (including minorities and gays) showed they have more pressing and personal concerns that simply weren't addressed by the Democratic Party's nominee. Mister Facetious fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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UV_Catastrophe posted:The democrats will have a perfect opportunity to frame the 2020 presidential election as "fake populist vs. real populist" if they play their cards correctly. Trump ain't gonna do poo poo for working class people with the GOP in all three branches. Lol if you don't think he will just tell his supporters they aren't doing great because Obama and he needs more time.
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Nov 11, 2016 18:03
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BarbarianElephant posted:I am talking socially, not policy. I'm responding to the accusation that the liberal elite don't want to associate socially with the rural poor by pointing out neither do the conservative elite. Trump doesn't hang out socially with "hillbillies" does he? That was the meaning I took from a second, more careful reading of your post and I edited with a "Im retarded and didn't read it right" as soon as possible upon realization.
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Nov 11, 2016 18:04
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Jackard posted:Already seeing a new slogan on Facebook - "Hindsight 2020" I called that over a day ago god dammit! Wait, why am I bragging about a lovely and awful wordplay joke.
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Nov 11, 2016 18:05
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Spacebump posted:Lol if you don't think he will just tell his supporters they aren't doing great because Obama and he needs more time. Will this explanation still make sense in his fifth term?
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Nov 11, 2016 18:06
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Nebalebadingdong posted:I'm from TN, I know how you feel. Just never forget that, a hundred years ago, the midwest was the heart of the progressive movement. Some early anti-racism came out of rural communities from mutual struggle. It can be so again. Something to keep in mind is that a lot of the people who made up the progressive movement in the rural midwest in the late 19th century and early 20th century? They ended up forced to move elsewhere, particularly as a result of the Great Depression and World War II. And then they never came back to the rural areas they had come from, and often a lot didn't even return to the midwest at all. (Lots of them moved to East or West coast cites for war production job offers, or East or especially West coast rural areas for better farming opportunities) Many of their fellow progressives stayed behind for a while, but they got drowned out increasingly by others who'd stayed behind and weren't progressive at all, especially the really big landholders.
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Nov 11, 2016 18:07
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This still makes me really angry. gently caress Fallon.
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Nov 11, 2016 18:08
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pacerhimself posted:I called that over a day ago god dammit! Wait, why am I bragging about a lovely and awful wordplay joke.
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Nov 11, 2016 18:08
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Tir McDohl posted:Will this explanation still make sense in his fifth term? At that point if you don't have a Trump Black Card, you will be given a felony charge and lose your right to vote.
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Nov 11, 2016 18:08
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Butch Cassidy posted:Rural NH born and raised checking in and I'm not going to gently caress off. You asked and I gave a partial answer. And this quoted bit is not universally true. Threads always take a positive upward turn when personal stories come out. Yeah I can comment on Vermont. I don't think it would be particularly useful as it is a very odd state that is not representative of any larger population or demographic, but there is enough content for a goodpost after work.
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Nov 11, 2016 18:10
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SNL's lambasting of Trump in the past weeks never made up for having him loving host during the primaries. Besides the fact he was unfunny as poo poo.
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Nov 11, 2016 18:11
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Doredrin posted:I would have to agree. I have Polish ethnicity on my mom's side and would prefer not to be holocausted.
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mcmagic posted:We are all idiots.
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Nov 11, 2016 18:10
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I'm sure there are reasons why Reid is part of the problem that someone will post but this is pretty impressive regardless. Mister Macys posted:150 million registered voters did not turn out for the Democratic Party's nominee. By definition that is a majority that cares more about themselves and their own families than others. Uhh what? Even if you genuinely believe neither of the candidates offer you anything over the other resignation is not the same thing as self interest.
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Nov 11, 2016 18:12
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I started panicking in earnest when two friends I introduced to Bernie, one in person, flipped Trump and talk shows started inviting Racist Cheeto to their shows like he wasn't something to be boycotted and struck down in the strictest terms. What's the timeline on Grand Wizard David Duke seeing invitations to mainstream media shows? I give it....two to three years.
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Nov 11, 2016 18:13
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Butch Cassidy posted:Rural NH born and raised checking in and I'm not going to gently caress off. You asked and I gave a partial answer. And this quoted bit is not universally true. I'm glad to hear from you. I want to support the people supporting the rural voter, but I don't want to also give any legitimacy to racism and bigotry, I will not accept that. So far, the approach I've taken is to talk to people i normally don't talk with and explain what's really going on, but I still worry about this. What should I do?
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Spacebump posted:Lol if you don't think he will just tell his supporters they aren't doing great because Obama and he needs more time. His supporters are petulant children and have the patience of such. When they notice their lives haven't gotten any better or in some cases worse, he's going to lose some the same way Obama lost a chunk of his Yes We Can demo in 2012. It all hinges on who the Dems run and what message they run on.
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Deified Data posted:It's gonna be bad for the next couple months. Let him ease into the White House for a bit and the media will lose any incentive to make him look presidential - to the contrary, they'll have every motivation to tear him apart the next time he says something stupid and sensational. We know this is a when not if scenario. The upside of the media's thirst for ratings and pageclicks is that (with the exception of Fox News and the right-wing media bubble) they have no real allegiance to any candidate. They'll give him a brief honeymoon period, but the 24-hour news cycle thrives on controversy and outrage and Trump is going to be getting the brunt of that by default.
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the black husserl posted:People with press experience: are we just going to be completely in the dark once Trump throws the press out of the White House? He already banned reporters from covering large parts of his meeting with Obama. I'd toxx myself 100 times that any truthful media will have no access to the Trump administration. What on earth will this feel like? Bannon kept saying that even if Trump won he was going back to Breitbart, precisely because if Trump won he'd be busy running it as the (un)official national media outlet akin to RT. There's also a non-zero chance that Infowars will be allowed in to the press pool and that's even more terrifying.
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mcmagic posted:She didn't run up the score in democratic areas the way Obama did. Wasn't she about 350K voters short in Detroit and Milwaukee? That combined with the voters she turned out because of their hatred for her is the election. Neither did Kerry or Gore. The more I look at old turnout numbers, the more I'm convinced that comparing them is largely a fool's errand. Hillary got nine million more votes than Gore did in 2000, and let's not forget that Gore still got 600k more votes than Bush did. Barack Obama holds the US record for highest popular vote total ever and second highest popular vote total ever. And while it's tempting to point out the effects of population growth, Ronald Reagan got more votes in 1988 than Bush did in 2000. In terms of turnout as a percentage of the population, the last three decades have been on the low end; 2008 had turnout levels not seen since the days of Nixon. Obama was a historic candidate who got the highest popular vote ever, beating the previous record by seven and a half million votes. And that previous record holder was George W. Bush, who in 2004 beat the previous popular vote record by seven and a half million votes. Trump got nine million more votes than Gore did. Nearly twenty million more people turned out to vote in 2008 than in 2000, and boiling that down to "lol bad candidate" is an absurd oversimplification. KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:OK, well I hope you are prepared to keep losing elections then, because this one demonstrated pretty succinctly that the Dems ignore economic inequality at their own peril. A plank of fighting bigotry is great but the party needs to figure out a way to litigate it that isn't highly divisive, and paying more attention to class is a good start. Yeah! The Dems should do something for poor people and the working class, like guaranteeing access to cheap healthcare and banning insurance companies from dumping them. Or maybe they could create stimulus by backing and funding infrastructure growth like transit lines and oil pipelines. They could support union rights and pro-worker policies with things like the CFPB and the NLRB. Maybe they could even expand unemployment programs and welfare systems to unprecedented levels while funding economic development and job retraining! Too bad the white working class overwhelmingly voted against those policies in favor of "gently caress immigrants, all your jobs will magically come back if we deport them and cut taxes on the rich". To say that the Democrats neglected economic policy is absurd. They pushed economic policies, and pushed them, and pushed them, and all they ended up doing was losing over and over to the very people who were blocking those policies and actively screwing their own constituents just to spite the Democrats. It's become quite clear that the white working class doesn't want solutions and they don't want help, they just want someone to blame.
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HorseRenoir posted:The upside of the media's thirst for ratings and pageclicks is that (with the exception of Fox News and the right-wing media bubble) they have no real allegiance to any candidate. They'll give him a brief honeymoon period, but the 24-hour news cycle thrives on controversy and outrage and Trump is going to be getting the brunt of that by default. Imagine the rage this will cause in the Oval Office.  
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Deified Data posted:His supporters are petulant children and have the patience of such. When they notice their lives haven't gotten any better or in some cases worse, he's going to lose some the same way Obama lost a chunk of his Yes We Can demo in 2012. It all hinges on who the Dems run and what message they run on. Yeah those loving rubes have no idea what they're doing, however, I as the enlightened liberal will correct them. How's that talking down to rural americans working out for us for messaging?
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Pollyanna posted:I'm glad to hear from you. I want to support the people supporting the rural voter, but I don't want to also give any legitimacy to racism and bigotry, I will not accept that. So far, the approach I've taken is to talk to people i normally don't talk with and explain what's really going on, but I still worry about this. What should I do? I second the question, actually. Well put.
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Boon posted:Imagine the rage this will cause in the Oval Office. It's an open question right now if Trump is even going to move into the White House.
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racism is definitely the only reason that hillary, a white woman, got fewer votes than obama, a black man. i mean if i were hillary one thing i would have done is actually heavily campaigned in pennsylvania and other FIREWALL STATES instead of wandering off in red land like an rear end in a top hat
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Fojar38 posted:It's an open question right now if Trump is even going to move into the White House. I've often said that he'll be the first President to govern from a tower in NY. However, the sheer infrastructure changes for that to happen would likely cause Congress to rebel. He'll unhappily preside in the White House. Still, who the gently caress knows. Boon fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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Tiberius Christ posted:Yeah those loving rubes have no idea what they're doing, however, I as the enlightened liberal will correct them. How's that talking down to rural americans working out for us for messaging? A man asks a woman which bus to take to the town center. The B73 she replies. He joins the line for the A38 bus. She tells him, "No, that's the wrong line. That will take you out of town." He replies "Yeah, but I don't like the look of that black guy in the other line." She replies "That's a very bigoted reason for not taking the right bus!" He responds "gently caress you bitch, I'll take the loving bus I want to loving take, not some *racial slur* bus." She walks on. Later on, she observes the man walking back to town on the side of the road, dusty tired and dirty. "How did that bus work out for you?" she asks. "Get raped and die, oval office" he responds. Should she have been a bit less patronizing to spare his feelings?
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HorseRenoir posted:The upside of the media's thirst for ratings and pageclicks is that (with the exception of Fox News and the right-wing media bubble) they have no real allegiance to any candidate. They'll give him a brief honeymoon period, but the 24-hour news cycle thrives on controversy and outrage and Trump is going to be getting the brunt of that by default. Utterly false now. If this was true today, we'd have seen more actual outrage at Trump's never-ending litany of absolute lies and racist horseshit. Instead, we only saw the most severe stuff make it to news cycles, and even then excepting for Pussy Video it would burn out on day 2.
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UV_Catastrophe posted:The democrats will have a perfect opportunity to frame the 2020 presidential election as "fake populist vs. real populist" if they play their cards correctly. Trump ain't gonna do poo poo for working class people with the GOP in all three branches. I would not pin any hopes on the Democratic party for 2020. Build something better than them. Put your hope in that.
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PerniciousKnid posted:Historically when this happens, the incumbent sees the writing on the wall and declines to run for reelection. But Trump being Trump, who knows. Well, either that or they're James K. Pollock and they got everything they wanted done in one. I think it would be pretty easy to talk Trump into retiring after one term, although I'm not sure if anyone will, because being president is NOT going to be fun for him.
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BarbarianElephant posted:But honestly, how "at risk" can those seniors have been if they were skiing a lot? That doesn't sound like something the frail, sick, or hungry would do. Am I lacking empathy here? Very at-risk and you are massively lacking empathy. Cannon is located in one of the lowest income parts of the state. Senior skiing is free. They can show up with whatever gear they can cobble together , get fresh air, actual exercise during the cold months, and hang around with peer in the lodge between runs. The state wanted to institute $20 passes for them to increase yearly to a cap TBD. $20 is a lot more to a social security dependent senior than it is to a the seacoast politicians pushing for the bill. And that is $20 per day at a deathtrap and poorly maintained mountain so they go from skiing all they want to hoping they can afford some. Passes rising over $20 start being comparable to half-day, mid-week passes at good resorts in the area like Loon, Bretton Woods, or Sunday River. So the state would just see seniors going to better conditions at private mountains and have no increased funds to show for the project. The whole thing is a pointless "gently caress you, got mine" to the elderly. Having done the volunteer EMS bit in the area, shut-in elderly were a quarter of our winter callout volume as they made up some malady just to have company for a bit. A local cop from ~ 1987-2008 spent their entire career authorized to spend half their shift visiting at-risk elderly for a coffee and company. Our seniors are in a tight enough spot that the only cop on duty was paid to ignore the rest of the town while making somewhat covert wellness checks.
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