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TyrantWD posted:Bernie won WV by carrying the people who are registered Democrat but haven't voted Democrat in years. Bernie's success had little to do with policy and all to do with personality, and people disliking Hillary. When you are winning the vote among people who want less liberal policy than Obama, that's not a calling for more pro-labor policy. The economy matters, stupid.
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More rear end-covering from the geniuses who lost half a million black votes in the Rust Belt: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/clinton-campaign-email-comey-letters-threw-the-election-to-trump-231244?cmpid=sfquote:“We believe that we lost this election in the last week. Comey’s letter in the last 11 days of the election both helped depress our turnout and also drove away some of our critical support among college-educated white voters — particularly in the suburbs,” Nayak wrote. “We also think Comey’s 2nd letter, which was intended to absolve Sec. Clinton, actually helped to bolster Trump’s turnout.” (why did they ever rely on college-educated whites to begin with?) quote:Nayak blamed the Comey letters for depressing turnout among Clinton supporters in large cities like Philadelphia, Milwaukee and Detroit after initial record early voting numbers. (Question for Venomsnake or anyone else: did anyone in the Clinton campaign seriously consider that early vote may have just been cannibalizing election day votes?) quote:“There is no question that a week from Election Day, Sec. Clinton was poised for a historic win. In the end, less than 110K votes out of tens of millions cast on Election Day made the difference in this race,” Nayak wrote. “It is worth noting that Jill Stein alone got 130K votes in those three states---and though her votes don't distribute perfectly to cover the margin across the three states, it is an important reminder of the influence of 3rd party votes.” (Every Jill Stein vote cast in the country would not have gotten Clinton to 270 - people who didn't vote for President at all when casting their ballots were, as usual, a much bigger issue)
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Nov 11, 2016 18:32
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Hey also the "lol Venom Snake is only 20!" comments are dumb and bad because he is legit trying to figure things out. The whole reason we're in this mess is because the Democrats have been sneering at people we view as "below" us. Yes absolutely fight like hell to convince people of your ideas but stop loving writing people off because they're this or they're that.
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Nov 11, 2016 18:33
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:loving really? Government run plants to build solar panels and windmills, or government run research labs and local clinics are gonna be asbestos filled hellholes? That's your loving retort to the federal government giving shat on poor people jobs? Realposting: this is literally the New Deal, and it's a fabulous idea for a ton of reasons. These voters have legitimately been left behind by their party - this is the sort of thing the Dems should have been doing all along. It's too bad that this election is what it took to wake everyone up to that reality, but it's never too late to start, and the Republicans sure as heck aren't going to create these sorts of jobs or do this sort of good for people (and the economy at large). nah thanks has issued a correction as of 18:43 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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Zikan posted:here's a draft for the message on getting involved with the DNC. it's aimed toward sharing on fb so less "full communism now" then i would have done. I’ll probably add more and edit it but the civil war is loving on and we need to start fighting this is extremely cool and good let me know when i can copy it and pass it around. or just share a Facebook link or however that poo poo works squidgee posted:Realposting: this is literally the New Deal, and it's a fabulous idea for a ton of reasons. loving seriously
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Nov 11, 2016 18:35
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Terror Sweat posted:chuck schumer is a rat, he knows when to bail to another ship i know trump just got elected but can we not call jewish people rats
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Nov 11, 2016 18:34
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:Hey also the "lol Venom Snake is only 20!" comments are dumb and bad because he is legit trying to figure things out. The whole reason we're in this mess is because the Democrats have been sneering at people we view as "below" us. Yes absolutely fight like hell to convince people of your ideas but stop loving writing people off because they're this or they're that. I was about to post something about how I agreed with you because Venom is trying but lacks the perspective they need to understand what happened because they're 20 and lack the life experiences and interactions with people they need to understand what's going on outside the DNC bubble. But then... Venom Snake posted:i know trump just got elected but can we not call jewish people rats
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Nov 11, 2016 18:38
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:Or he won the primary because there's a huge bastion of anger out there and he tapped right the gently caress into it. Believing anything else makes people think everything would be just fine if it wasn't for this really weird chain of events! Everything is not just fine. Millions and millions of voters are pissed the gently caress off, and they're right to be pissed the gently caress off because the capitalist class literally smashed their loving lives apart. The Democratic Party can do things to help these people and help the rest of the country. Give these people real loving jobs that clean up the dozens of messes we have.
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zeal posted:even now you've learned nothing he screamed from his ivory tower
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:Hey also the "lol Venom Snake is only 20!" comments are dumb and bad because he is legit trying to figure things out. The whole reason we're in this mess is because the Democrats have been sneering at people we view as "below" us. Yes absolutely fight like hell to convince people of your ideas but stop loving writing people off because they're this or they're that. he's only 20? venom snake is a pretty mature seeming dude for 20 and posting on an internet comedy forum. cool, and whether you agree with him or not, at least he's trying. nah thanks has issued a correction as of 18:42 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:Hey also the "lol Venom Snake is only 20!" comments are dumb and bad because he is legit trying to figure things out. The whole reason we're in this mess is because the Democrats have been sneering at people we view as "below" us. Yes absolutely fight like hell to convince people of your ideas but stop loving writing people off because they're this or they're that.
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Nov 11, 2016 18:40
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TyrantWD posted:That's why they voted for the guy who thinks Wall Street is too heavily regulated and is going to be giving us a tax cut that will primarily benefit the coastal elites. People don't vote for policy. If they did, Obama wouldn't have been elected in 2008, and Sanders would've crushed everyone this election.
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Nov 11, 2016 18:40
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Penisaurus Sex posted:The economy matters, stupid. Voters whose priority was the economy voted for Hillary.
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Nov 11, 2016 18:42
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Zikan posted:here's a draft for the message on getting involved with the DNC. it's aimed toward sharing on fb so less "full communism now" then i would have done. I’ll probably add more and edit it but the civil war is loving on and we need to start fighting Thank you for this.
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Nov 11, 2016 18:42
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TyrantWD posted:That's why they voted for the guy who thinks Wall Street is too heavily regulated and is going to be giving us a tax cut that will primarily benefit the coastal elites. they voted for the guy who promised to break all the toys of the people who screwed them
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Nov 11, 2016 18:41
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squidgee posted:Realposting: this is literally the New Deal, and it's a fabulous idea for a ton of reasons. These people have been loving savaged by the capitalist class and they are desperate for help. We can help them, and through helping them we can help fix a ton of other messes. If we can't even put two and two together what loving good are we?
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Nov 11, 2016 18:42
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shave and a harelip posted:Buddy? gently caress you. As an Ohioan who grew up in Lake County I can't believe you like the black squirrels. Those fuckers were mean as hell! quote:Retraining and education If someone is 40+ it's not only difficult and challenging for them to retrain but they will almost surely struggle to find a job because of age discrimination. I've seen some numbers that suggest many companies are like the gays. Unless you get in early, once you're over 30 they're not interested in you any more. quote:Just bring them jobs and opportunities that pay well and that they can do. Coal sucks. I concur.
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Nov 11, 2016 18:44
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TyrantWD posted:That's why they voted for the guy who thinks Wall Street is too heavily regulated and is going to be giving us a tax cut that will primarily benefit the coastal elites. They've spent the last decade being sneered at and called dumb racist hicks by liberals and the media. They voted for the guy that was sneered at and called a dumb racist hick by liberals and the media who promised to go punch those loving liberals and the media square in the nose. It doesn't even matter what happens next because his very election was the loving nose punch. Yeah sure he's gonna gently caress them but they were gonna get hosed anyway.
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Nov 11, 2016 18:45
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schumer backing ellison is the best thing i have heard yet. i mean, gently caress schumer, but him doing this tells me he can see the writing on the walls.
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Nov 11, 2016 18:47
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quote:Nayak blamed the Comey letters for depressing turnout among Clinton supporters in large cities like Philadelphia, Milwaukee and Detroit after initial record early voting numbers. But I thought we don't have early voting in PA?
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Nov 11, 2016 18:48
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NecroMonster posted:Burnie wouldn't have won because Burnie was no more willing to tell lies and sell dreams than Hillary was. Lol no, idiot.
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Nov 11, 2016 18:49
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Thoguh posted:I was about to post something about how I agreed with you because Venom is trying but lacks the perspective they need to understand what happened because they're 20 and lack the life experiences and interactions with people they need to understand what's going on outside the DNC bubble. Chuck Schumer is a craven opportunist willing to sell his grandma for political power dude. Just don't call people rats okay? Please?
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:They've spent the last decade being sneered at and called dumb racist hicks by liberals and the media. They voted for the guy that was sneered at and called a dumb racist hick by liberals and the media who promised to go punch those loving liberals and the media square in the nose. Trump doesn't gently caress with the liberal elite. You know what the people in the Upper West side are going to be doing on November 11, 2018 or 2019? They will sit around the dinner table laughing at how awful Donald Trump is while sipping $1,000 bottles of wine that they bought with their Trump tax cut.
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Read this entire thread and it's cool and good and I'm here to eat poo poo with the rest of the Clintonites. I'll do what I need to make sure the progressives take control of the party. At the same time we need to still be the party of anti-racism. I think a lot of black voters stayed home because they felt Clinton offered them nothing, either. I don't know how well we can peel off white votes and be the party of BLM and immigration reform. I think Clinton was too scared to be either so she was neither. I'm from the rural south. I'm poor. I know Trump voters. A lot of them are richer than me. They are racists. There's many of them that just don't know the struggle of other groups, though. That's what Dems need - someone who can show everyone who's hosed now that they're not enemies. I don't know how well it will work, though. A lot of the current anti poverty proposals from dems are seen as socialism or handouts to minorities. Maybe we just need strong local candidates who aren't tied to a lovely national one, though. More on Clinton. I don't think she could have appealed to WWC voters. She has such a credibility problem. Her best bet was turning out the black vote. She took it for granted. Thought Obama could deliver by his presence alone. I don't know. I'm pissed. Point me in the right direction and I'll fight for socialism. Even with the de Boers and Fangs and Bruenigs of the world.
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Thoguh posted:I was about to post something about how I agreed with you because Venom is trying but lacks the perspective they need to understand what happened because they're 20 and lack the life experiences and interactions with people they need to understand what's going on outside the DNC bubble. I mean the SJW thing can get out of hand but is being mad because someone called a jewish dude a rat gonna end of the world? I probably wouldn't have posted about it but if he wants to post about it more power to him 
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Nov 11, 2016 18:51
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jackofarcades posted:Read this entire thread and it's cool and good and I'm here to eat poo poo with the rest of the Clintonites. welcome friend the fight has already begun find details of the first battle here: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3797403&pagenumber=70&perpage=40#post466362186
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jackofarcades posted:I'm from the rural south. I'm poor. I know Trump voters. A lot of them are richer than me. They are racists. There's many of them that just don't know the struggle of other groups, though. That's what Dems need - someone who can show everyone who's hosed now that they're not enemies. this can't be screamed from the rooftops enough no war but class war
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As a 29 year old white male living in the San Francisco Bay Area, what can I do to help the DNC socialist revolution?
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Mordiceius posted:As a 29 year old white male living in the San Francisco Bay Area, what can I do to help the DNC socialist revolution? Move to the middle of California where people on the coasts don't go and sit down and talk to people about their lives, and listen. Don't lecture, don't shame. Just listen.
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Mordiceius posted:As a 29 year old white male living in the San Francisco Bay Area, what can I do to help the DNC socialist revolution? report for duty http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...0#post466362186
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Zikan posted:welcome friend do you want people to start sharing this and (a) if so how and (b) how are people supposed to contact you with corrections/updates in the google doc, might want to add some words about that
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bump_fn posted:this can't be screamed from the rooftops enough i genuinely do hope this defeat leads to a new generation of socialists who are more concerned with reaching out than being correct but the old guard is gonna have to get out the way
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Zikan posted:welcome friend I'm still shook as gently caress and scared and you'd have to be a moron not to be but we outnumber the assholes and the fact people, myself included, are girding for war instead of giving up is heartening
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:I mean the SJW thing can get out of hand but is being mad because someone called a jewish dude a rat gonna end of the world? I probably wouldn't have posted about it but if he wants to post about it more power to him I just think that you can accurately assess someone without using language that will immediately make people stop listening to you. Much in the same way calling everyone in the rural part of America racist backwards hicks turns them off calling people from the coastal jewish communities rats is going to turn them off to. You can be like "hey we need to be honest about the problems with race in the american rural community" and "we need to be honest that we can't really trust chuck schumer". This is an interesting point: https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/797133862300164096
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Hey people, contact your representatives and let them know you won't vote for them unless Ellison is the DNC chairman. The tea party took over the Republican party by being loud assholes. We can do the same. We need to tell the lobbyists to go gently caress off. We can use social media to spread our message now, no need for regular advertisements.
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:loving really? Government run plants to build solar panels and windmills, or government run research labs and local clinics are gonna be asbestos filled hellholes? That's your loving retort to the federal government giving shat on poor people jobs? Some/most rural communities view of government job as a hand out as much as a check just straight to their mail. The government sticking a whatever in the area just so people can have good jobs isn't going to be jobs people are proud of.
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It's good to see that the Democrats are doing serious soul searching about why they lost, and how they can better promote their message in the future. Oh, wait... http://nypost.com/2016/11/10/chelsea-clinton-being-groomed-to-run-for-congress/ Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Jesus Christ dems, 3 days later, and we're back with the clinton poo poo again?? Oh, and all you guys cheering a future with Keith Ellison as the DNC chair, what the hell are you smoking? He is NOT the face of islam that the dems want to promote. From his initial conversion to Islam via the racist Nation of Islam, to his many connections with sketchy Muslim groups which may or may not be related to the Muslim Brotherhood, he will be a lightning rod of criticism by the right. From someone who lives in his district, I will say that I think Keith Ellison is a GOOD man, but he is a STUPID man who doesn't think about the political ramifications of his actions. eunos has issued a correction as of 19:05 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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TyrantWD posted:Bernie won WV by carrying the people who are registered Democrat but haven't voted Democrat in years. Bernie's success had little to do with policy and all to do with personality, and people disliking Hillary. When you are winning the vote among people who want less liberal policy than Obama, that's not a calling for more pro-labor policy. Liberal policies aren't pro-labor. The whole angle of that polling was always specious, because it never defined exactly what "liberal policy" means. I mean, in reality it means abandoning them all to the mercies of market forces, but that's not what you think it is.
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comingafteryouall posted:Hey people, contact your representatives and let them know you won't vote for them unless Ellison is the DNC chairman. The tea party was literally kickstarted by lobbyists angry establishment republicans were compromising to much. The progressive wing of the party can take control without being like the tea party.
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TyrantWD posted:Trump doesn't gently caress with the liberal elite. You know what the people in the Upper West side are going to be doing on November 11, 2018 or 2019? They will sit around the dinner table laughing at how awful Donald Trump is while sipping $1,000 bottles of wine that they bought with their Trump tax cut. You really don't loving get it. They voted for Trump because they wanted that nose punch, and they saw it in all it's glory on election night as people melted the gently caress down. And they loved every second of it. Because for the first time since that factory closed down 10 years ago they finally loving punched back. Complaining that rich dynasties on the Upper East Side aren't gonna hurt completely misses the loving point. It's not a rational decision. It's not based on careful consideration. It's a gut raw emotional response to having everything in your loving life ripped away. And in return they got to see other people have a gut raw emotional response. And you better loving believe it felt good for them. All of that being said - this is real anger out there, and it can be focused for whoever wants it. These people are beyond desperate. They'll take anything, even if it's just a few laughs while the orange idiot king burns the world down. We can reach out to them and give them so much loving more than that. Create a New Deal. Put jobs in those communities. Bring the world back to them. Make them proud to work hard again.
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