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lazorexplosion posted:I propose we change the phrase 'like a rat off a sinking ship' to 'like a Democrat voter off the Clinton campaign' not just to be more sensitive to the coastal Jewish communities but also to remind Venom Snake that he's a god drat idiot. hey gently caress off dummy
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Honestly, I think there might be contingent of voters who want the guy most seemingly opposed to DC to run the place. Like, plenty of white Americans are sort of racist but know white supremacy or some variation on that idea is real and is bad, so sending a black guy to DC makes sense to screw with the system. They might be afraid of crime in the "inner cities," but they know a few black or brown people that are good people. Similarly, Trump is a goddamn reality show freak so hopefully he'll hurt the elite in the country in some way to, since they all seem to detest him so much. GOP backers tend to not be super public, so if you're not up on the news you can miss out on the collection of bizarre billionaires backing him. These people aren't hardcore white nationalists, but minority issues are not really important to them. Ok that's my unscientific take on why Trump can be elected while Obama is popular, I'll go back to Leftist taunts after this.
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Venom Snake posted:I'm not going to argue about this anymore. I'm just worried that the discourse is going to get really toxic. I'm sorry.
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How about Governor Kate Brown from Oregon for prez in 2020. Not sure this would pass the "working-class white" test, but why the hell not.
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Venom Snake posted:The sheer amount of unbridled hatred the NOVA/D.C. Dems have for NY Establishment right now would be downright hilarious if it wasn't to late. As a NYC Democrat who votes in every primary: 
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Venom Snake posted:lol why is it so hard to just call chuck out for what he's done in the past and his lovely policies. Because it is a common turn of phrase that is very applicable to the current situation with the DNC. Clinton supporters are fleeing like rats off a sinking ship. And I think it is something that's important for people to realize as part of the autopsy on this election. If something says something like "rats off a sinking ship" and the response is to tell them that is toxic because it includes the word "rats" and sometimes people who are racists call jewish people rats and therefore you should not use that totally unrelated phrase because this is a safe space ...well, all that does is cause people to tune you out and not listen to anything you have to say. If the democrats want to recover they need to spend less time tone policing and more time solving real problems.
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Venom Snake posted:One thing Sanders crowd could do is unfuck the fact so many of the state parties are a hot mess. LOL he's gonna leave office at 60-40 isn't he
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How did the Working Families Party do in NY this election btw? I know Teachout lost. Fusion tickets are a niche strategy but their emphasis of getting grassroots support and local involvement seems pretty great.
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crazy cloud posted:rip neoliberalism, hail satan in loving shallah
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Zoran posted:1. We should do everything we can to marginalize deep-pocketed donors and build a sustainable, broad base of low-dollar donations. You need money to compete in politics, and whatever sustainable, broad base of low-dollar donations brings in, is probably a fraction of what what just a couple of the GOP billionaire donors will cough up.
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Fast Luck posted:Someone used extremely common the "rat fleeing a sinking ship" analogy and youre crying that it's getting "really toxic" are you serious lol, and this is why we have people literally voting against "political correctness" Not because they think calling Jewish people rats is good and okay and something we should do, but instead because just SHUT THE gently caress UP NO ONE CARES
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Tiny silver lining to this whole shitshow: https://twitter.com/BenjySarlin/status/797144436383903745
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:"I'm gonna drop a factory right into the middle of this town, and we're gonna make the fuckers who sold you out pay for it!" is going to win you votes, dude. emptyquote
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TyrantWD posted:You need money to compete in politics, and whatever sustainable, broad base of low-dollar donations brings in, is probably a fraction of what what just a couple of the GOP billionaire donors will cough up. as it turns out the people who were for citizens united might have had a point Goldman Sachs being associated with Clinton probably dropped her # of votes more than any number of ads their $$$ bought her
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Zoran posted:1. We should do everything we can to marginalize deep-pocketed donors and build a sustainable, broad base of low-dollar donations. This. The deep pocket donors don't have the power now. The Republicans already made that ABUNDANTLY clear. The people have the power to shape the campaign narrative. We can get what we want if we ask for it loudly enough and make a fuss about not voting if they don't give it to us. And we want a populist party pushing for left wing ideals. If the deep pocket donors want their social issues, they will have to acquiesce to our economic issues.
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Zikan posted:here's a draft for the message on getting involved with the DNC. it's aimed toward sharing on fb so less "full communism now" then i would have done. I’ll probably add more and edit it but the civil war is loving on and we need to start fighting That's a good idea! Let me see who my rep is- quote:Illinois Michael Madagin  never mind
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HannibalBarca posted:https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/797141594000527360 The problem was nobody was making the strategy. It was 20 different people without a unifying voice.
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SirPhoebos posted:also lol at Venom's analogies in the OP. i found vs's analogy highly dubious as the red army won in stalingrad without a decimated nazi leadership
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Maybe this whole mess will make Citizens United moot?  I can hope.
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mrmcd posted:Uhh don't you know white working class voters love poisoned soil and leaded drinking water?? You don't want to look like you're anti jobs to working class voters!!! Would fixing the drinking water solve racism? Would not poisoning the soil solve sexism? We need to think about things that are realistic, and important.
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Typo posted:as it turns out the people who were for citizens united might have had a point The presidency is a different story than other races though. Even if you never see a single ad you still are exposed via news coverage and your peers talking about it. Being able to drop $1,000,000 in to Statehouse District 3 when their opponent is running on a $20k total budget is where it fucks poo poo up.
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Atrocious Joe posted:http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/10/28/what-crock-clinton-breaks-dapl-silence-statement-says-literally-nothing The laughable Xochitl girl.
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SirPhoebos posted:That's a good idea! Let me see who my rep is- do it anyway make them scared make them afraid his machine won't be any good if the country burns around him
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Zikan posted:do it anyway yeah i emailed that dick already
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comingafteryouall posted:This. The republicans control just about every statehouse and governorship. The deep pocket donors absolutely still have the power.
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Venom Snake posted:The problem was nobody was making the strategy. It was 20 different people without a unifying voice. so "Some unaccountable committee of nobodies whose names only a few dozen people know, or will ever know" was correct then. Great. That's great.
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I'm going to remind you guys not to regress into primary chat as a warning. I see some posts about it and I could've dropped some hammers right off. It's November 11th. C-SPAM has survived primaries, it was called the Molten Salt Reactor for a while because it got so lovely and bad about primaries so it's probably best to leave specifics of the primaries out. It loving sucks, it sucks the fun out and people get crazy worked up over it. The safest way to probably discuss the primaries as part of the DNC Autopsy would be better left off as a never talk about again~ Hillary won it, superdelgates etc. We get it. We KNOW. It doesn't change a thing. Literally what Bernie has said a few days ago, "We are going to move forward and see how we can win things now." Lastgirl has issued a correction as of 19:49 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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Typo posted:as it turns out the people who were for citizens united might have had a point Trump took big donor money wherever he could get it, had a guy from Goldman Sachs leading his fundraising (who is now in line for a cabinet position), and repeatedly said during the campaign that Wall Street is over regulated.
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Thoguh posted:Because it is a common turn of phrase that is very applicable to the current situation with the DNC. Clinton supporters are fleeing like rats off a sinking ship. Were not the ones fleeing. Were stuck on this ship and were all going to die if we don't unfuck it. The people who are fleeing are the morons who I went to fundraisers with over this past year swearing to never touch politics again and rolling over ready to die. The Clintons left a lot of people hanging in defeat. None of us are ever going to trust them again. Homework Explainer posted:i found vs's analogy highly dubious as the red army won in stalingrad without a decimated nazi leadership My analogies were absurd "did not actually happens" because everything I knew turned out to be a comedic farce 4 days ago.
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Venom Snake posted:The problem was nobody was making the strategy. It was 20 different people without a unifying voice.
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Powercrazy posted:Holy poo poo. I just got hypertension. There is so much tripling-down on the strategy from this year in there that it's almost funny.
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"the white vote is shrinking! the white vote is shrinking!", i continue to insist as i slowly shrink and transform into a corn cob
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Lastgirl posted:I'm going to remind you guys not to regress into primary chat as a warning. I see some posts about it and I could've dropped some hammers right off. I don't think we need to spend time discussing rigging or chair-throwing or whatever, but the case that Bernie was a better candidate absolutely does need to be litigated. Zoran has issued a correction as of 19:53 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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HannibalBarca posted:so "Some unaccountable committee of nobodies whose names only a few dozen people know, or will ever know" was correct then. Great. That's great. They ran the campaign out of Brooklyn lol. Fast Luck posted:Hell no, they had an extremely organized messaging machine that had columnists nationwide writing their suggested stories, first about how Bernie Sanders doesn't care about black people before then moving on to Trump is a Russian puppet To bad the people who read all those papers were already voting Clinton by a large majority. When it come to reaching out there was no unifying voice. Organized =/= unified. Oh Snapple! posted:There is so much tripling-down on the strategy from this year in there that it's almost funny. quote:If the Clintons think they are ever welcome in D.C. ever again they are loving mental
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Venom Snake posted:My analogies were absurd "did not actually happens" because everything I knew turned out to be a comedic farce 4 days ago. speaking of historical analogies, we've spent a lot of the cycle finding historical figures to which we can compare Trump, Clinton, etc. how about Robby Mook? Who are the Robby Mooks of history? Middle-manager types trusted with awesome responsibility who bungled supposedly easy tasks with disastrous consequences? I don't have an immediate answer, so I'm gonna crowd-source it.
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Zoran posted:I don't think we need to spend time discussing rigging or chair-throwing or whatever, but the case that Bernie was a better candidate absolutely does need to be litigated. I mostly want the DNC establishment to realize that they hosed this up. I was listening to NPR this morning and they blamed voters and even Obama for Hillary losing.
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DaveWoo posted:Tiny silver lining to this whole shitshow: except everyone's plan for the dnc is just to focus on prez and a few senate seats and maybe 10 total states and condemn the rest of the country they'll never take back state houses
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Zoran posted:I don't think we need to spend time discussing rigging or chair-throwing or whatever, but the case that Bernie was a better candidate absolutely does need to be litigated. Yeah, this. I'm far more focused on pushing Bernie up right now than complaining about what's already past.
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Zoran posted:I don't think we need to spend time discussing rigging or chair-throwing or whatever, but the case that Bernie was a better candidate absolutely does need to be litigated. Exactly. Especially since the overwhelming narrative at the end of the previous primary debate was "Hillary won, Berniebros now need to support her in the name of unity" and everyone who dissented was made fun of.
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