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DACK FAYDEN posted:Yes, seriously! There are merits to both. Personally I think we should be taking big risks and go with the black Muslim who we know will try to remake the party in Bernie's image. But a 50 state strategy would replenish our bench when we need it most. I'm content either way. Ideally Ellison wins and tweaks the 50 state strategy in a leftist direction.
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DACK FAYDEN posted:Yes, seriously! Ellison is the future of the party, not Howard Dean.
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Ogmius815 posted:Who is Keith Ellison and how should I feel about him? What are his credentials that make people think he will be good to lead the party? It seems like he's just some rando congress critter from Minneapolis. bernie supported him if that holds any water for you. so i assume he's an economic reformer with a heavy dose of pluralism. plus he's from minnesota which has been blue for a while now and is doing some pretty cool stuff (its like the anit-wisconsin)
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Who What Now posted:And when Orange-Hitler told them he would get rid of brown people, Jews, and Muslims they listens to that as well, and decided they were just fine with allowing that to happen. Most didn't vote. Sorry you're wrong again neoliberal.
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Nov 11, 2016 20:17
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Any chance Gabbard could be minority leader? It'd be nice for her to get some sort of bona fides beyond "line house member from surplus naval base we accidentally made a state"
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Nov 11, 2016 20:18
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Ogmius815 posted:Who is Keith Ellison and how should I feel about him? What are his credentials that make people think he will be good to lead the party? It seems like he's just some rando congress critter from Minneapolis. He was the first Muslim congressman, Bernie supporter, very well liked in Minneapolis, cool dude and probably can make a sausage when it comes to that.
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Crowsbeak posted:Most didn't vote. Sorry you're wrong again neoliberal. They didn't vote because they didn't care if Trump would be elected and enact policies that would destroy the lives of countless non-white, Christian, straight people. That complicitness is bigotry. You can throw around "neoliberal" all you want and pretend you know what it means, but that doesn't change cold, hard facts.
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Ogmius815 posted:Who is Keith Ellison and how should I feel about him? What are his credentials that make people think he will be good to lead the party? It seems like he's just some rando congress critter from Minneapolis. He predicted Trump's win before almost anyone else. Motherfucker gets it.
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Ogmius815 posted:Who is Keith Ellison and how should I feel about him? What are his credentials that make people think he will be good to lead the party? It seems like he's just some rando congress critter from Minneapolis. solid left democrat, african american, first muslim in congress (famously swore in on thomas jefferson's copy of the quran)
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zegermans posted:Any chance Gabbard could be minority leader? It'd be nice for her to get some sort of bona fides beyond "line house member from surplus naval base we accidentally made a state" Tulsi Gabbard sucks
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Who What Now posted:They didn't vote because they didn't care if Trump would be elected and enact policies that would destroy the lives of countless non-white, Christian, straight people. That complicitness is bigotry. You can throw around "neoliberal" all you want and pretend you know what it means, but that doesn't change cold, hard facts. Actually it's called not wanting the wife of the man who accelerated their communities decline in power. Unwise but more understandable to you writing them off as Nazis.
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zegermans posted:Any chance Gabbard could be minority leader? It'd be nice for her to get some sort of bona fides beyond "line house member from surplus naval base we accidentally made a state" Her policies are bad. She's definitely from the corporate wing. You want Ellison. He's one of the shining stars of the party going forward. He's great and he'll do a great job. He gets it.
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Oh, this is just fan-loving-tastic: https://twitter.com/AzmatZahra/status/797155599305895936
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zegermans posted:Any chance Gabbard could be minority leader? It'd be nice for her to get some sort of bona fides beyond "line house member from surplus naval base we accidentally made a state" Why do you want someone who has serious issues with Muslim immigrants (including voting to bar refugees from the Middle East) and is buddy-buddy with one of India's leading right wing parties (which really really hates Muslims) and Trump's buddy Sheldon Adelson?
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Crowsbeak posted:Actually it's called not wanting the wife of the man who accelerated their communities decline in power. Unwise but more understandable to you writing them off as Nazis. You do realize that racism can be seen as a scale, and not simply "is a Nazi or isn't a Nazi", right? What am I saying? You've never shown yourself capable of understanding nuance before, why would you possibly start now?
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Bip Roberts posted:He was the first Muslim congressman, Bernie supporter, very well liked in Minneapolis, cool dude and probably can make a sausage when it comes to that. Well, a rich beef sausage
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Pence is taking over for Christie on the transition team. https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/797153600594067456
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DaveWoo posted:Oh, this is just fan-loving-tastic: LOL it's like the Onion
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Bad Decision Dino posted:https://www.mein-grundeinkommen.de/ You're really bad at making yourself understood and at understanding others. Your posts are borderline non-communicative. It's not an issue of losing something in translation. You just don't give a gently caress what was said prior and just plow forward with whatever point you are trying to make. The sum of an economic system or ideology cannot exist within a single slogan no matter who said it. Regardless, you invoked the slogan without showing how it is even representative of the system you are criticizing with regards to basic income. Then, when told that no a slogan is not communism you continue forward to suggest that it is because it's a Karl Marx quote without bothering to understand the argument you are responding to. It's loving embarrassing reading this stupid poo poo.
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DaveWoo posted:Oh, this is just fan-loving-tastic: WOW
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Who What Now posted:They didn't vote because they didn't care if Trump would be elected and enact policies that would destroy the lives of countless non-white, Christian, straight people. That complicitness is bigotry. You can throw around "neoliberal" all you want and pretend you know what it means, but that doesn't change cold, hard facts. i think this grossly misstates the actual nature of american elections. we already know that most people don't vote. something like, what, half the electorate ever shows up? that means the name of the game is getting people to come out and vote for you. there are vast swaths of untapped voters who don't feel listened to or who do not feel the need to listen. the goal of elections is to motivate these people to come out and vote. that means hope and something to vote for. i think its reductionist to say: those who didn't vote actually voted for trump because if hillary won then the same thing could be said for the same voters which is a gross mischaracterization. even though its an easy conclusion to come to, parties are not owed votes and voters. it is their responsibility to cater to the masses and get as many as possible to come out and vote for them. because this is the reality of the situation. this is how it is, not how we want it to be. so let's focus on bringing more people out to vote for the policies we like, and spend less energy chastising the very people we need to win.
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Who What Now posted:You do realize that racism can be seen as a scale, and not simply "is a Nazi or isn't a Nazi", right?  also yay Fishmech is back.
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Scent of Worf posted:Plus, isn't Tulsi Gabbard an islamaphobic..? she's a big time Narendra Modi fan which places her somewhere on the far side of Gloria La Riva in terms of completely poo poo love affairs with garbage regiemes
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RaySmuckles posted:so let's focus on bringing more people out to vote for the policies we like, and spend less energy chastising the very people we need to win. If "Stop the rise of fascism and white supremacy in this country" wasn't good enough then nothing ever will be. Because whatever the democrats promise the republicans will promise too, with the added bonus of loving over minorities as hard as they can. Turns out the latter trumps (ha) the former every time.
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RaySmuckles posted:i think this grossly misstates the actual nature of american elections. So if we hadn't run Clinton do you think the Democrats would have won? Because if that's true then the Democratic planks don't need to change one loving bit and this was an issue with this particular campaign in that they explicitly didn't reach out to those rural/suburban whites.
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Who What Now posted:If "Stop the rise of fascism and white supremacy in this country" wasn't good enough then nothing ever will be. Because whatever the democrats promise the republicans will promise too, with the added bonus of loving over minorities as hard as they can. Turns out the latter trumps (ha) the former every time. Well when all you can offer is free trade and the other offers their jobs back they vote for the other guy. Also if you just want to insult them, you deserve all the tears possible as you destroy the country based on your own barely understood principles. Crowsbeak fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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mcmagic posted:This is Bush 2.0 It's like an inversion of Bush kind of Everyone thought Bush was a moron when he was just really evil Everyone thinks Trump is evil when he's probably just a moron. But also evil.
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When is the IRS expected to end their audit of the President-elect's tax returns? I want to know when that financial information will be shared with the public.
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Crowsbeak posted:Well when all you can offer is free trade and the other offers their jobs back they vote for the other guy. If these people are too stupid to see through such an obvious lie then they're too stupid to effectively persuade of anything useful.
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DaveWoo posted:Oh, this is just fan-loving-tastic: Oh, so we're going to go back to shipping people off to places like Egypt, Syria, and Libya to be tortured? I guess given Libya's current state maybe we'll sub Turkey in instead to torture folks. In other news: this is why any talks about what Bush (or now Trump) would have done to support the Arab Spring is loving hilarious, because Bush was busy shipping people off to Syria, Egypt and Libya, so there's no way he would have supported a revolt against the people who were "helping" with "combating Radical Islam". What an absolute disgrace. I hope someone in Congress loving reads the CIA torture report in to the Congressional Record so we know exactly what's going to happen this time and how "effective" it was last time.
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Who What Now posted:If "Stop the rise of fascism and white supremacy in this country" wasn't good enough then nothing ever will be. Because whatever the democrats promise the republicans will promise too, with the added bonus of loving over minorities as hard as they can. Turns out the latter trumps (ha) the former every time. hmm, yes this explains obamas record breaking electoral success... Admiral Ray posted:So if we hadn't run Clinton do you think the Democrats would have won? Because if that's true then the Democratic planks don't need to change one loving bit and this was an issue with this particular campaign in that they explicitly didn't reach out to those rural/suburban whites. i don't know what would have happened. i think the demographics are and have been on the side of the democrats for a long time, numerically indicating that they'd essentially always win the presidency from here on out and it took a special candidate to lose to a republican who also lost votes from 2012. but i don't know what could have happened. i think hillary clinton was virtually inevitable. she was the embodiment of what the party has become. some people think that's good and great, some people think its bad. but i think she really was ultimately inevitable.
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Who What Now posted:If "Stop the rise of fascism and white supremacy in this country" wasn't good enough then nothing ever will be. Because whatever the democrats promise the republicans will promise too, with the added bonus of loving over minorities as hard as they can. Turns out the latter trumps (ha) the former every time. The Republicans won't deliver on those promises because they're the same shills they've always been. Democrats, on the other hand, just got shattered. We can purge the shills, promise, win, and deliver if we put our minds to it.
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Where are media getting these names from? It's like a list calculated to form maximum anxiety.
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greatn posted:Where are media getting these names from? It's like a list calculated to form maximum anxiety. A partner at Squire Patton Boggs, most likely. e: actually probably an associate who has plans to get out.
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FYI: People aren't recognizing Trump as a Hitler-level existential threat to the nation because of racism or sexism. If that's what you think, you are underinformed on the early life and ascent of Adolf Hitler.
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Who What Now posted:If these people are too stupid to see through such an obvious lie then they're too stupid to effectively persuade of anything useful. You promised TPP.
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disjoe posted:The Republicans won't deliver on those promises because they're the same shills they've always been. This. It's time to reorganize. Rise from the ashes.
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