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Kithkar posted:https://twitter.com/jonathanweisman/status/797120114042793984?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw I like knowing in my heart of hearts that chris hayes just kind of stared at that tweet for a bit before slowly typing that response
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Nov 11, 2016 20:49
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Oh Snapple! posted:because boy is that a bad tweet bad? na... it's atrociously garbage. The media seems like its going to be a hurdle still, why wouldn't it? It's moneyed and its pocketed. Very Unfair! 
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Nov 11, 2016 20:52
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squidgee posted:Thank you guys for putting this together. Maybe we can get it in the OP? Ill put it up HannibalBarca posted:Grain of salt and all, but fresh horrors are beginning to manifest: I dealt with surrogates and the D.C./FL side of things. We were told that internals had us up.
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Venom Snake posted:Ill put it up If you can separate it from your main op with a divider and some bullet points and additional links, that'd be really good! Eventually, naturally.
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CheesyDog posted:Regarding the media: about ten years ago I started to feel like the Daily Show/various liberal satire shows were doing more harm than good. what is funny is how these shows poped all over the place in the last few years, like i read a artacle in time magazine saying how shows like kimble and falon are not calling the right side the devil everyday? there is a reason why the late late show where a fat guy sing with celebs in a car on CBS is more loved then the late show which is more of less the cobeart report without the charm. Cyron has issued a correction as of 20:57 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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called my reps and the dnc and told them to pick up keith and drop the clintons asap and if they don't i will do everything in my power to primary them. probably wont do anything but it felt good
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iospace posted:So here's three people that we could tap for helping the party go forward: If the next step this thread could do is make decisions like this and agree on them, I could start pushing them along with the list on social media so people know what to say. That actually sounds pretty good to me but I've got no idea how this works. (Despite Dean being establishment in many ways, he also got hosed over by the establishment and got to see them turn his victory to mud, and I actually believe he's very capable, so I wouldn't want him in charge but i support seeing him involved if he wants in)
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Is Keith Ellison really the right guy for the job? He's always crying.
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GlyphGryph posted:If the next step this thread could do is make decisions like this and agree on them, I could start pushing them along with the list on social media so people know what to say. He also has connections which means funding, like it or not, that money is a necessity to keep a newer progressive DNC chugging along.
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A Hillary loss is definitely not a joke, and I have no intention of making light of it. And it can be a tough and emotional thing for the DNCe and her supporters to go through, speaking from personal experience. And I know that it's often much harder on the progressives than on the establishment. However, I also know that it doesn't necessarily turn you into a sad, depressed sack of tears for the rest of your life. People can move past it, and heal.
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w/r/t the Bad Tweet i am concerned about the islamophobic line on ellison, particularly from an authoritarian president and party with control of the fbi be prepared for the resources of the security state to be directed to suppressing the democratic party and the progressive movement (and remember this when deciding what to do with it after you take back power)
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BeefThief posted:Is Keith Ellison really the right guy for the job? He's always crying. Someone needs to be the new Boehner.
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Lastgirl posted:He also has connections which means funding, like it or not, that money is a necessity to keep a newer progressive DNC chugging along. Thing is, I don't think fundraising is going to be a problem considering the primary face of the opposition is Donald Trump..
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I still got "the sun will rise tomorrow" from Obama stuck in my head. Ive honestly been energized by this. I cant wait for things to get better. Ive even started looking for a better job again.
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Have their been any pieces written yet from reporters in Hillary's press pool about Hillary and her inner circle on Tuesday evening, especially the time between the results started coming in and when she sent Podesta out to clear out the party? Or similar pieces from Trump's camp?
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BeefThief posted:Is Keith Ellison really the right guy for the job? He's always crying. Yes he is as he's a principled, progressive politician.
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Typo posted:100 years from now historians might still be debating whether trump was actually playing 5-D chess or was just a bumbling idiot who stumbled into the presidency cuz everyone else hosed up The historical documentation of how he goes about governing will answer that question
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Here's a guide to the watching television for the next 4 months: When someone on your given news source speaks as this election as consisting (they'll imply solely) of white supremacist hate groups, turn it off. Do not reward this idiotic behavior. These news sources are the same people that flat out ignore the economic struggle of the working class in this country and loved selling this election as being about love against hate. For some of the economic benefits that Donald Trump was selling these people (though we know he can't deliver), the media focused on the hate aspect and helped to inadvertently dovetail some of the economic hunger to legitimate hate.
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Mike the TV posted:A Hillary loss is definitely not a joke, and I have no intention of making light of it. And it can be a tough and emotional thing for the DNCe and her supporters to go through, speaking from personal experience. And I know that it's often much harder on the progressives than on the establishment. However, I also know that it doesn't necessarily turn you into a sad, depressed sack of tears for the rest of your life. People can move past it, and heal. 
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Oh Snapple! posted:Thing is, I don't think fundraising is going to be a problem considering the primary face of the opposition is Donald Trump.. I would much prefer grassroot money than big bank for sure, but is it viably competitive? Maybe it's really the media collusion that put him at a disadvantage, but Bernie seemed to certainly do that when he was able to raise quite a lot of money during the primaries as an example (this is not primary chat) Like that was an obvious sign, especially when he outraised Clinton in small donors. It certainly is possible moving forward, but I'm not sure if its surefire, he was really frugal with the money too.
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 This is from a post-concession email that Jason Kander sent out: and here is his actual concession speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJWwN-B0Wzg I figured it might do everyone some good to see this.
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CheesyDog posted:Regarding the media: about ten years ago I started to feel like the Daily Show/various liberal satire shows were doing more harm than good. I read an essay with this thesis back in the early years of the Obama administration and it was fairly convincing. I need to see if I can find it again.
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Kander owns.  He's a real contender, that one.
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Lastgirl posted:I would much prefer grassroot money than big bank for sure, but is it viably competitive? Maybe it's really the media collusion that put him at a disadvantage, but Bernie seemed to certainly do that when he was able to raise quite a lot of money during the primaries as an example (this is not primary chat) At the very least, if the next new candidate(s) can't bring in a lot of small donations, it's going to be a sign that we're still ignoring the people we need (and who need us) most.
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It seems like this thread is seriously onboard but as someone who wasn't a Bernie supporter, I'm glad to echo just how awesome Keith is. After the tornado ripped up north Minneapolis, he was there. After other tragedies, he was there. He's always accessible to his constituents and cares a lot. There's a reason he wins by massive margins. Dude is a fighter but is open-minded and humble. I've moved since, but I was always overjoyed when he was my rep and think the national committee could learn a lot from the Minnesota dems/the DFL.
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w/r/t the wwc, it won't surprise me if after/if the worst slash & burn impulses of the radical right are stymied, they end up passing relief targeted exclusively at struggling whites. poor relief sells better in america when it's a white thing. in which case you'll be outflanked with that demographic in particular.
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Corny posted:
yo this made me like kander even more. edit lol i looked at his policies. kind of a weirdo.
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The Trump supporters I'm seeing that I feel free to write off are the ones who don't mention the economy and are mostly concerned with Hillary disrespecting the country and Trump bringing back pride to our cops and armed forces. Those are the ones that scare me.
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Hilario Baldness posted:Here's a guide to the watching television for the next 4 months: I agree but you have to be careful. If you make minority groups think you don't have their back they WILL walk out on you.
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Peel posted:w/r/t the wwc, it won't surprise me if after/if the worst slash & burn impulses of the radical right are stymied, they end up passing relief targeted exclusively at struggling whites. poor relief sells better in america when it's a white thing. in which case you'll be outflanked with that demographic in particular. The House Freedom Caucus will never let the Republican Party help anyone.
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Maybe we do need big donors, but their interests have to take a back seat. People still didn't learn anything from how Trump handles poo poo. We don't start by saying, well we need the big donors so let us just give Howard Dean (total centrist) a chance. No, you tell the big donors to gently caress off and put a guy in charge that will get not easily give them concessions. Where are they going to go, Trump's Republican party of white nationalism?
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Fiction posted:The House Freedom Caucus will never let the Republican Party help anyone. Our petty bourgeoisie is too spiteful to actually enact fascism. America may once again inadvertently be saved by these idiots.
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CheesyDog posted:Regarding the media: about ten years ago I started to feel like the Daily Show/various liberal satire shows were doing more harm than good. I think the problem is that people end up stewing in hate rather than righteous anger if they aren't laughing. See the right wing media. See certain corners of the online left as well.
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I'm all in for Ellison and already emailed my party chairs but the grain of salt is that Democrats did well with Dean at the helm in '05-'09 so at least there's that if he gets the chair.FuriousxGeorge posted:I think the problem is that people end up stewing in hate rather than righteous anger if they aren't laughing. See the right wing media. See certain corners of the online left as well. The Daily Show is an echo chamber. An important one, but still an echo chamber.
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CAn we call up Dennis Kucinich to help out the new Dems
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Thoguh posted:"We're going to build a factory" is a lot more concrete and real than "We're going to make some funds available for re-training after we ship your job elsewhere so some shareholders can make a 1% increase on the stock price but it isn't going to matter because there isn't anything around to be trained to do anymore because everything is dead, thanks". Thoguh posted:"We're going to build a factory" is a lot more concrete and real than "We're going to make some funds available for re-training after we ship your job elsewhere so some shareholders can make a 1% increase on the stock price but it isn't going to matter because there isn't anything around to be trained to do anymore because everything is dead, thanks". We still have factories. We just need skilled technicians in them rather than unskilled labor. We have to admit these people are getting hosed from the crib at every level and we need to attack each factor. More funding in education, more work on our crumbling infrastructure, single payer healthcare and a minimum mandatory salary that reflects inflation changes. Yet and still though women and children's issues also have importance as well. They need to be addressed also. We need to trade in the so called free market economist for the liberal economist during policy discussions And basically go full socialism now in my opinion. I'm as sick of third way as everyone else, I just think that social issues are also important and it is a dialogue that a nation is having with its citizens when xenophobic leaders and xenophobic policies go into effect. Third way failed and voter suppression among other things delivered this election to a fascist. We need to come together on this on all levels. We don't want a repeat of a liberal agenda only applying to certain people due to redlining and differential local policies that grind the same people under the boot every time even as the nation enjoys prosperity.
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FuriousxGeorge posted:I think the problem is that people end up stewing in hate rather than righteous anger if they aren't laughing. See the right wing media. See certain corners of the online left as well. Right wing media gets people angry/fired up, but tells them to vote/do stuff. Things like the Daily Show show hypocrisy and nothing else. The Colbert Super PAC came close, but that's a highly complicated issue (and they didn't really do anything with it)
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