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I'm reminded of the city councilor who intones " we don't need a monument to government" there is a lot to unpack there but you don't convince him away from a libertarian bias by standing up and yelling at him that he's a problem and he needs to get right with (progressive) God
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Tiberius Christ posted:It won Trump the election doesn't sound meaningless Low turnout and the electoral college won Trump the election
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RaySmuckles posted:this point is well taken, but things are a lot different than they were 30 years ago. i'm not sure those comparisons hold up due to modern circumstances. we'll find out though! I honestly think Charisma is far more important than Policy on a national ticket. If I was playing Party Manager 2020 I would be grabbing every candidate who even half agreed with the parties platform and had good Charisma.
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RuanGacho posted:This isn't how humanity works. What about everyone who did vote for him.
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XyrlocShammypants posted:That the "I told you so clown car" on this forum has a complete and utter lack of perspective. but so is the "gently caress everyone that didn't support us, we're not changing a loving thing" wing. we all want to push the party forward. some people say its by expanding the voter base and readjusting our priorities to be more inclusive. others think its to throw a big enough poo poo-fit that people will be shamed into supporting a party and platform that just lost
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pocket pool posted:LOL because conservatives never do this. So we should be like the conservatives? Is that what your argument is because this country is torn the gently caress up, acting smug and superior isn't helping anyone.
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Xae posted:I honestly think Charisma is far more important than Policy on a national ticket. sure, but a lot of charisma comes from how one supports a ticket. obama had shitloads of charisma but also a revolutionary platform he lost votes when he failed to deliver that platform
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RaySmuckles posted:but so is the "gently caress everyone that didn't support us, we're not changing a loving thing" wing. You know that unity doesn't sound appealing in the ivory tower when you have watched that adjusting the policies is for a group who turned to fascism as their out. Keep plucking the above it all string but the song getting played is terrible.
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DACK FAYDEN posted:Honestly, Booker could be a fairly important piece of a new coalition as long as he doesn't have any coattails. He's charismatic, he gets the cred for not being white, and he has a number of good opintions and a lot of cred with rich people. Booker is exactly the same as Hillary and Obama. He is going to offer the same neoliberal & friendly with the 1% policies. Booker is exactly the kind of person who needs to stay away from party leadership
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botany posted:Wow 200 Euros a month communism is finally here comrade A joyful tear rolls down the face of Lenin's corpse. He has won.
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If you did not vote, accept responsibility for helping Trump get into office.
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Either Brecht or the DNC I forget which posted:After the uprising of the 17th June
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chumbler posted:If you did not vote, accept responsibility for helping Trump get into office. I'm Canadian. Am I still at fault for not voting, or?
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chumbler posted:If you did not vote, accept responsibility for helping Trump get into office. No you see I am going to sit on the sidelines proclaiming every Democrat a neoliberal hyperglobalist corporatist nepotismo for the next 8 years, thus handing even more power to the Republicans and causing a generational victory on every major social and economic issue to my rivals.
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Aaaahaahahahahah bush torture program in CIA directorship I'm gonna drain the swamp #maga
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Tiberius Christ posted:So we should be like the conservatives? Is that what your argument is because this country is torn the gently caress up, acting smug and superior isn't helping anyone. Depends on what you mean by "be like conservatives". As far as actually fighting for your platform rather than falling all over yourself to compromise until you're so lukewarm that people can't tell the difference between you and the alternative? Yeah, I guess I would like to see that. To your point, I wouldn't worry too much about many liberals acting smug and superior in the immediate future after the election botch job we just saw.
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Potato Salad posted:Aaaahaahahahahah bush torture program in CIA directorship well you cant start building the black site until you get that dang swamp out of the way, right?
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Lid posted:You know that unity doesn't sound appealing in the ivory tower when you have watched that adjusting the policies is for a group who turned to fascism as their out. Keep plucking the above it all string but the song getting played is terrible. the only song that sounds terrible to me is "hail to the chief" with donald trump strutting into the whitehouse. thanks democrats and democratic establishment for clearing the path for the most vulnerable presidential candidate in modern history to blow an historically important election. what lost this election was both sides alienating voters. it just turns out the democrats alienated something like 4-5x more voters.
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Tiberius Thyben posted:I'm Canadian. Am I still at fault for not voting, or? You aren't at fault for anything, but because you are Canadian, I expect you to apologize nonetheless. 
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XyrlocShammypants posted:No you see I am going to sit on the sidelines proclaiming every Democrat a neoliberal hyperglobalist corporatist nepotismo for the next 8 years, thus handing even more power to the Republicans and causing a generational victory on every major social and economic issue to my rivals. And they wonder why Corbyn wants brexit.
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Schumer endorsing Ellison is a good sign. Maybe there's hope for him yet.
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RaySmuckles posted:the only song that sounds terrible to me is "hail to the chief" with donald trump strutting into the whitehouse. thanks democrats and democratic establishment for clearing the path for the most vulnerable presidential candidate in modern history to blow an historically important election. Why are you not blaming the Republicans letting a racist populist get up? And do not play the card that they all are, do not pretend Mitt Romney neoliberalism is just as bad as this. Like there seems to a burning desire from the far left to look at how they didn't stop him rather than look at who held him up and who got him there openly and enthusiastically. Thats the divide right now.
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 http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-aides-loss-blame-231215 Surprise surprise! The DNC/Clinton establishment was completely out of touch. These are the same people who spook the black community into voting for them every time because the other guys are worse, and then after they get elected they go right back to ignoring us.
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The Shortest Path posted:Yes? The core strategy of white supremacy has always been pitting minorities against each other. There are many black people who hate immigrants and vice-versa and also Muslims. Like, read the loving thread dude this has been addressed a dozen times. Well give them a reason to vote. You know,. like a better life.
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Scent of Worf posted:
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RaySmuckles posted:but so is the "gently caress everyone that didn't support us, we're not changing a loving thing" wing. Point well taken, and I know some of this is simply anger and frustration grounding itself on this dumbshit thread, but I've seen some people posting things like "gently caress you if you voted for Clinton [unclear on whether in general or primary], you're the problem, get out." And this is all well and good except those people are important too. Remember that her base always lay partially in minority voters and black machine politics in the South; these people are going to be important to the Democratic Party. Purge all the n-words in leadership you want, I certainly think there have been some catastrophic failures in policy, but one of the reason I think Ellison would be pretty good is that he is black and a Muslim. He's not likely to yield to the temptation to slash and burn an important part of any future Democratic coalition: Hillary voters. Growing the base means keeping your old base too-- sever some poisonous apples if you need to, I think starting with people like our glorious new Senate majority leader would be a good start, but there's still the basics of a workable coalition here moving forward I think.
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Crowsbeak posted:Well give them a reason to vote. You know,. like a better life. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_is_the_enemy_of_good
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http://www.abc15.com/news/state/sheriff-joe-arpaio-touted-as-possible-homeland-security-secretary-candidate Sheriff Joe Arpaio being considered for Sec of Homeland Security.
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1stGear posted:Eh, my original post wasn't quite correct, but suffice it to say, Ellison is a populist. He was a Sanders supporter, has been active in civil rights, and has worked to aid the working poor as much as he can. Sherrod Brown
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https://twitter.com/liamstack/status/797076800727875584 can't hear you guys over the sound of goose-stepping outside.
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:What are the chances the DNC gets one of the Castro brothers to step up for 2020? Pretty unlikely I think; the problems that really kept them from consideration so far still damage them. They'd need some more national-level exposure and experience to really be able to take a stab at it, and unfortunately, we're not going to have the Democratic administration that would be able to give them that.
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RaySmuckles posted:sure, but a lot of charisma comes from how one supports a ticket. If we didn't have term limits, Obama would have won a third time. See his approval rating.
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703 posted:https://twitter.com/liamstack/status/797076800727875584 At least he's going to be bipartisan about it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YduGqO-pUMo&t=28s “The little, whiny, sniveling negative cowards who were ‘Never Trumpers’ are beneath our paying attention to them. Let them drift off into the ashbin of history while we go ahead and work with Donald Trump and with the House and Senate Republicans to create a dramatically new future.”"
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Quorum posted:Pretty unlikely I think; the problems that really kept them from consideration so far still damage them. They'd need some more national-level exposure and experience to really be able to take a stab at it, and unfortunately, we're not going to have the Democratic administration that would be able to give them that. Experience clearly doesn't matter in Presidential elections anymore.
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Spacebump posted:Experience clearly doesn't matter in Presidential elections anymore. I don't think that's necessarily true. I think that it doesn't matter to a lot of people, but the bases are different; I'm not convinced the Democratic base is as willing as the Republican one to say gently caress it all and elect, say, a schlubby carpenter from a backwater part of the country who promises social justice and an overturning of the old order.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Sherrod Brown is the person I would pick now for 2020 Presidential Candidate. And it's not close.
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The position candidates bandied about so far are the most  possible.Like, the Bush administration surrounded itself with a lot of neo-cons and such, but the list of sycophants here is staggering.
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I'm basically waiting for the first overt "shut up about human rights omg" post. Or "shut up about climate change omg" post. It depends on what is destroyed first.
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