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Quorum posted:If your only response to the sentiment "Obama was a good president and a good person" is wordless incredulity I don't know what to tell you man. I can acknowledge the bad poo poo while also believing that on balance Obama will be remembered as one of the better presidents in recent history; if nothing else he's definitely the classiest person to occupy the Oval Office in the past three decades. greatn posted:Edward Snowden is a moral and political coward who is only in his current position because of his own arrogance and stupidity. He's a willing tool of Russian hegemony and Putin legitimization, rather than facing justice for irreparable harm to US Intelligence. Snowden is actually a hero who is constantly criticizing Russia, OP.
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Nov 11, 2016 23:07
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Reminder that Snowden is in Russia because that's where he happened to be when the US cancelled his passport. It's not because he's a spy working for the Russian government, you dolts.
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Nov 11, 2016 23:09
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botany posted:"He's better than the other presidents in recent history" is a lot different from "he's a saint", given who the recent presidents are. I also believe that he will be remembered as one of the better presidents, because that's a low loving bar to clear. Sorry you don't understand hyperbole and/or direct comparisons with Donald Trump, I guess?
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Non Serviam posted:What did he sow? Revealing the criminal work of the United States? Yeah, gently caress him! He also sold a shitload of unrelated secrets to China and Russia. Somehow that keeps getting overlooked
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zegermans posted:Those sound like a bunch of totally real things Did you know Obama spent $500 million dollars on a treadmill for shrimp?
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zegermans posted:Those sound like a bunch of totally real things ugh democrats lost because they were mean to white rural republicans and called them stupid *believes that every millenial is a stupid worthless layabout*
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greatn posted:Snowden reaps what he sows.(he's not going to be sentenced to death, there's no crime with that sentence he could be found guilty of) Well, not yet.
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zegermans posted:Those sound like a bunch of totally real things http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/11/09/colleges-try-to-comfort-students-upset-by-trump-victory/
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Nov 11, 2016 23:11
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NoEyedSquareGuy posted:Reminder that Snowden is in Russia because that's where he happened to be when the US cancelled his passport. Because he forgot that you shouldn't tell the world you're behind a big intelligence leak before you get somewhere it's safe to stay, to be clear.
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QuarkJets posted:He also sold a shitload of unrelated secrets to China and Russia. Somehow that keeps getting overlooked Wait, what?
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Nov 11, 2016 23:11
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QuarkJets posted:He also sold a shitload of unrelated secrets to China and Russia. Somehow that keeps getting overlooked Bing the gently caress O. Also he was in Russia when they cancelled his passport because he was an idiot egomaniac who planned poorly and couldn't wait to out himself to get glory.
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Nov 11, 2016 23:12
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Main Paineframe posted:Economics aren't missing, though. That's the whole problem with that theory. The Dems do have plans and policies to help poor white people. It's just that Fox News says they don't. quote:Obama's presidency was pretty middle-of-the-road at best. He largely failed to overcome Congressional resistance and tended not to make the most of opportunities, and he cannibalized the Democratic machine and neglected the midterms to focus on the presidential elections. 2010 was a miserable year. corn in the bible posted:yes, you can run against the incumbent if you want. that's what george mcgovern did. it almost never works but it can happen mcgovern ran in 72, when nixon was the wh incumbent four years earlier kennedy and humphrey were in an open primary as lbj declared he wasnt seeking re-election so the dem had an open primary
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QuarkJets posted:He also sold a shitload of unrelated secrets to China and Russia. Somehow that keeps getting overlooked [citation needed]
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QuarkJets posted:He also sold a shitload of unrelated secrets to China and Russia. Somehow that keeps getting overlooked Probably because this never happened.
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mcmagic posted:Wait, what? Yeah, you didn't know this? Snowden had been collecting classified information from military systems for years. Most of what he stole was unrelated to surveillance
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Tiberius Christ posted:Have you maybe thought that they voted for Trump for other reasons? quote:If we keep telling people they are wrong about their political views without explaining why and just jumping to calling them some label we'll never get votes. Doesn't help that the Dems have absolutely no policies that help with the loss of jobs, a secure retirement or fixing our infrastructure.
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Students upset by a loving fascist being elected to the highest office in the land?? How unreasonable and weak!
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QuarkJets posted:Yeah, you didn't know this? Snowden had been collecting classified information from military systems for years. Most of what he stole was unrelated to surveillance now post a source for your claim that he sold poo poo to china and russia
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QuarkJets posted:Yeah, you didn't know this? Snowden had been collecting classified information from military systems for years. Most of what he stole was unrelated to surveillance Oliver Stone didn't put that part in the movie.
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Main Paineframe posted:Economics aren't missing, though. That's the whole problem with that theory. The Dems do have plans and policies to help poor white people. It's just that Fox News says they don't. the dems don't have economic changes that people believe in or believe will even help them. part of it is definitely a messaging problem (because the minute they push too hard for economic change the media jumps on them for challenging their masters) and part of it is a trust/reputation problem. new leadership and public battles will help regain that trust. focusing on messaging, media be damned, will help them too. i don't have all the answers, i don't expect myself to, and i don't know exactly how to make it all better but the fact is that business as usual democratic practices are not working. they're costing us state governments, congress, and the presidency. so we better figure out quickly how to make it all work. obama was a lucky aberration in the death of the democratic party. we need to find a way to move on without him because its not going to happen again any time soon. i've watched about 14 years of democratic flailing. what we're doing isn't working. the New Democrat platform was dealt a crushing blow this election. we have to make something new out of it or we're just going to get the same results we've been getting
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QuarkJets posted:Yeah, you didn't know this? Snowden had been collecting classified information from military systems for years. Most of what he stole was unrelated to surveillance Gonna need to see a source for this.
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disjoe posted:We're going to learn a lot about who is with us and who is against us in the coming years. We're Darth Vader now aren't we? Edit: VVV In this brave, new world, only the, "7's and up, and that's a hard 7" will have a shoulder to cry on. VVV Acid Haze fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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Nov 11, 2016 23:16
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Oh it's behind a soft paywall;quote:Dozens of students at Cornell University gathered on a major campus thoroughfare for a “cry-in” to mourn the results of the 2016 presidential election Wednesday, with school staff providing tissues and hot chocolate.
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Nov 11, 2016 23:15
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Denzer posted:http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/11/09/colleges-try-to-comfort-students-upset-by-trump-victory/ Whew thanks for confirming Murdock's video news with his print news
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botany posted:[citation needed] I'm on my phone right now, otherwise I would flood you with links to the investigative reports revealing this and the media stories talking about it. Try Google Seriously, why is this a surprise? If you were stealing secrets about a government surveillance system and planned on fleeing to Hong Kong, why would you not take everything that you possibly could?
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QuarkJets posted:I'm on my phone right now, otherwise I would flood you with links to the investigative reports revealing this and the media stories talking about it. Try Google No go ahead, post sources.
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Denzer posted:Oh it's behind a soft paywall; In other words using the grief counseling services that were already available.
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QuarkJets posted:I'm on my phone right now, otherwise I would flood you with links to the investigative reports revealing this and the media stories talking about it. Try Google "I would have so many sources it would make your head spin. Can't get them right now though. Look them up yourself."
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Denzer posted:Oh it's behind a soft paywall; What are you implying that we're supposed to think about this? People feel an existential threat and they are right.
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quote:The touchy-feely approach won some catty comments from skeptics, calling students “snow-flakes” for their inability to handle the result. edit: like, the goal here is that we're all laughing at the skeptics together, while also acknowledging that play-doh might not be the best coping mechanism but it's better than nothing, right?
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So what is the most effective political organization supporting women's rights and equality these days? Is it NOW or EMILY'S list? NARAL or Planned Parenthood? I came away from Tuesday with the realization that as an adult with an income rather than a college student with loans I should be offering regular material support to organizations that are fighting for causes I believe in. Some are no-brainers like the ACLU, Human Rights Campaign, and NAACP legal defense fund, but I was stumped re: progressive organizations supporting women's rights because EMILY's List has apparently been getting criticism for promoting female candidates who are more conservative than their progressive male opponents, and NOW apparently has been criticized for not adequately focusing on women's issues in their support of candidate. And PP seems to be also globally focused, which is nice for them, but I'm really mostly interesting in investing in political change in the US. Also, if anyone knows of a group that has looked at the relative effectiveness of progressive political organizations and/or how much donated money is going to oladminostrative overhead versus being sent to candidates or otherwise spent directly to influence politics, I would love to see it.
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botany posted:now post a source for your claim that he sold poo poo to china and russia He went to China and Russia on an undisclosed personal trip, which is a huge no no, right after absconding with millions of classified documents. Surely you can put two and two together
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NoEyedSquareGuy posted:"I would have so many sources it would make your head spin. Can't get them right now though. Look them up yourself." I mean, this DID work for Trump.
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QuarkJets posted:He went to China and Russia on an undisclosed personal trip, which is a huge no no, right after absconding with millions of classified documents. Surely you can put two and two together Post sources for your claims.
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Truth is irrelevant when it comes to Snowden within the next few months they'll start talking it up because from a media perspective Trump getting Snowden would be a "Win".
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QuarkJets posted:He went to China and Russia on an undisclosed personal trip, which is a huge no no, right after absconding with millions of classified documents. Surely you can put two and two together Link to a source that puts two and two together. One source.
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DACK FAYDEN posted:The touchy-feely approach won some catty comments from old white male skeptics, calling young minority students “snow-flakes” for their inability to handle the result. no it's just vacant sneering at young people
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icantfindaname posted:Kirkpatrick's whining about Bouie on twitter was dumb but I wouldn't call it shouting him down? As for coastal elites, they're obviously talking about people like the Clintons and other generally white people. I agree Jacobin is a little white dude ish but that's a ridiculous argument to say they're stealth conservatives or racists for complaining about elite white liberals im not saying that theyre any of those things, im saying theyre incredibly glib about the realities facing the left in this country, and disturbingly willing to cadge onto very ugly frameworks if it furthers their ability to be sanctimonious. it makes me extremely skeptical about the viability of a labor-left coalition if the thought drivers of that movement are more interested in getting to run a victory lap around their imagined enemies than in actually, yknow, coalescing. this is fairly small potatoes stuff but the most telling thing ive heard out of this variety of leftist was on an episode of Chapo Trap House (yeah, i know) where they had a guest on who was discussing the California primaries. and he said something to the effect of "if you look at the LA Times map of which parts of LA went Sanders, its all the places anyone wants to be. its the lovely places that nobody cares about like the loving Hills that went to Clinton." and he isnt wrong - the hip, young parts of LA went very heavily Sanders. these are also coincidentally some of the most rapidly gentrifying parts of the city. and the boring rich places full of film industry dirtbags went to Clinton. but so did Inglewood and Compton and large swathes of South LA. and yeah, i know this is just one guy, and hes on a podcast that is fairly irrelevant in the larger scheme of things, but it shows the kind of flippant attitude that bothers me greatly. theres a lot of talk this year about lefties needing to stop sneering at the white working class for being racist hicks, but i feel like we could also do with some talk about needing to stop sneering at our natural allies and constituents for being machine-lead lumpens with no appreciation for trot magazines.
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