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Condiv posted:when does :bernget: return? we need it to organize!! It will be the symbol resistance members use to identify each other. Anyone who asks what the hen is supposed to symbolize is a snitch.
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Oh Snapple! posted:I'd say the thing to be generally conscious of is when social issues are blatantly being used as a shield against economic critique of the affluent, at least in the short term. Though that doesn't mean stop fighting for them - just don't let them be used again like they were this time. That poo poo does no one any good. I see. Right racism has to be discussed but beware of disturbing silence when it comes to the nitty gritty like single payer. The problem with wedge issues is you can wedge people apart with them.
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thanks for the hugbox, no really half of the reason why i haven't been able to get sleep recently is knowing that i was a ripe bastard... the other half is super obviousPrincess Di posted:I know I'm engaging in political sedition as I participate on these boards. fyi, if there was one advantage to being raised as a conservative shithead from OC is that i'm also an eagle scout, and like 90% of that time was spent learning how to shoot or blow things up 
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Given that we know that the current economic policies are a failure, shouldn't the Democratic party be positioning itself for a different economic way? I mean how many decades of failure do we need before the political leadership of the US are declared insane? Doing the same thing over and over and we see that we get the same failures. Republicans are going to rapidly increase the collapse if they kill medicare, medicaid and everything else that they hate as free market capitalists. So they are only going to accelerate the collapse. At some point in the future some fascist demagogue is going to rise up on a populist wave and cause some sort of civil and/or world war. The New Deal saved capitalism for a century, but we can see that it isn't working, so what do both parties do to stop the fascist from rising up? Personally I think there is too much focus on identity politics and not enough on true economic change. Sanders is a start, but doesn't go far enough to enact real long term stable economic change in my eyes.
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A Winner is Jew posted:thanks for the hugbox, no really half of the reason why i haven't been able to get sleep recently is knowing that i was a ripe bastard... the other half is super obvious   Yes. You are ready!
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bump_fn posted:bump_fn: Gonna start ending my emails with "In Solidarity." In solidarity, Navyjack
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democratic civil war update http://www.cwa-union.org/news/releases/cwa-endorses-keith-ellison-for-chair-of-democratic-national-committee quote:Congressman Keith Ellison is the right person to lead the Democratic Party at this time. The Communications Workers of America joins Senators Bernie Sanders and Chuck Schumer, and MoveOn.org in strongly urging Ellison to run for the Chairmanship of the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party needs his leadership and direction, and we will stand behind him should he choose to run.
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mrmcd posted:"White working class voters suffering economically will never accept a black Muslim party administrator even if we offer attractive populist policies!" I continue to insist as I shrink and turn into a centrist corncob being flushed down the toilet along with Obama's entire legacy. i also want to revisit this because they voted for a black man with a muslim name
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Slam dunk this ellison dude right into the goddamn seat and I will poo poo 💩 directly onto MOM and Howard Dean's flipping foreheads.
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SpaceGoku posted:this is old and probably wont happen, I say to myself as I get dragged into a van with a dude sparking car jumper cables menacingly But enough about the Chicago Police Department
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Shinjobi posted:Slam dunk this ellison dude right into the goddamn seat and I will poo poo 💩 directly onto MOM and Howard Dean's flipping foreheads. 
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Zythrst posted:Gofundme for guillotine production? Hell yeah guillotine chat..bernie thread is back
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Zikan posted:democratic civil war update at least the progressives are moving fast on this one maybe the spirit of Marx and Lenin are still embedded in their DNA
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Corny posted:
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reminder that the cwa is one of the most militant unions in the country in that they actually loving hold strikes
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Vitamin Me posted:Hell yeah guillotine chat..bernie thread is back https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acT_PSAZ7BQ
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Zikan posted:democratic civil war update will there even be a civil war? the clintons were kinda the central pilar of the centrist/neoliberal left and they were loving destroyed. i mean Chelsea and a few of the hangerson are still around but everyone either bends the knee to bernie/ellison or they will die to trump. Dapper_Swindler has issued a correction as of 23:13 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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Dapper_Swindler posted:will there even be a civil war? the clintons were kinda the central pilar of the centrist/neoliberal left and they were loving destroyed. everyone either bends the knee to bernie/ellison or they will die to trump. yes there will be
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Atrocious Joe posted:
thanks obama 
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Atrocious Joe posted:
its lovely, but it was gonna happen even if he canceled it. they would just wait for trump to do it. plus obamas legacy is hosed already, so what the hell. Typo posted:yes there will be in what way?
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Dapper_Swindler posted:will there even be a civil war? the clintons were kinda the central pilar of the centrist/neoliberal left and they were loving destroyed. everyone either bends the knee to bernie/ellison or they will die to trump. howard dean and martin omalley have thrown their hat into the ring. the election is in march probably which will give the establishment time to potentailly regroup from their shock and make a last stand we cannot afford complatency
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Atrocious Joe posted:
And nothing was learned. This is why the rebuild needs to be total or its going to be worthless.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:will there even be a civil war? the clintons were kinda the central pilar of the centrist/neoliberal left and they were loving destroyed. i mean Chelsea and a few of the hangerson are still around but everyone either bends the knee to bernie/ellison or they will die to trump. there will be if you don't try to prevent it by pushing extremely hard now
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Zikan posted:howard dean and martin omalley have thrown their hat into the ring. the election is in march probably which will give the establishment time to potentailly regroup from their shock and make a last stand election is in january from what i've read
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not to jerk off over power but the amount of stature that bernie has gained over the last year + half is nothing short of incredible. even though he lost his campaign he has somehow arguably become the most influential voice in the democratic party. this is as a self-described socialist in a nation that spent 60+ years hammering down on socialist ideas, both through physical violence and cultural oppression. the stuff brewing under the surface to allow that to happen is really something interesting.
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Atrocious Joe posted:
not even gonna offer token resistance? maybe actually try to make up for what she we were? no? gently caress you obama
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Oh Snapple! posted:This is probably very true. It felt like she had to call in every single favor she'd collected over the last decade at least to get the nomination in a field she made a point to cull beforehand, and that is...uh, that was not a predictor of success. For me, part of my support for her in the primaries was the interview Obama gave with Maron where he talked about how the federal government was like an enormous cargo ship. Even if you had perfect obedience from Congress instead of unprecedented obstructionism, or just the usual Senate prima donnas, the thing doesn't turn on a dime and make glorious Scandinavian socialism rain from the sky a week later. The Presidency has gotten more powerful over the last century, but he's still far from a dictator. It's about making steady if sometimes incremental progress on what's important to you, and then making sure the mechanisms and political support are in place to keep them there for the long term. Hillary seemed like someone who would've been an extension of that temperament and with a similarly skilled understanding of how to manage the federal government with the goal of advancing liberal policies, even if there wasn't a lot of sexy rhetoric behind the pitch. By contrast, a lot of Bernie supporters came off, especially on social media, like people who just wanted someone to promise them the sky because Obama didn't deliver unicorns and rainbows. To my profound and eternal regret I now know I was wrong. First, I didn't realize how spectacularly incompetent her campaign and the NY established Dems were. Second, I forgot that you need someone who can pitch your policies to people in a way that's aspirational and gets them excited about your candidacy. Someone who tries to precision calibrate their focus group tested message to multiple, sometimes conflicting constituencies with all the warmth of a press release doesn't work. Maybe it's not fair that Hillary comes off this way. Maybe there's a much harder standard for warmth and charisma for ambitious women, and that's also not fair. Even if the deck is stacked against you though, you have have to win elections, because they have real and serious consequences. The ultimate responsibility for that is on the candidate and the campaign. Outside of a situation like 90% Dem urban districts, the purpose of the primary is to demonstrate that you're capable of that task. As a voter I hosed that up and the Bernie people were right. However, the DNC, career operatives, and super delegates who shepherded her through the process and pitched her as the responsible, competent, and safe candidate hosed that up so very, very much. The task now is to hold those people accountable and remove them from leadership positions. The next task is to find candidates that can fight for our goals, and fight for them in a way that can and will win. Anyway that's my primary post, thanks C-SPAM autopsy thread.
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Princess Di posted:I see. Pretty much, yeah. Like, legitimately trying to avoid actual Primary chat as much as possible, I don't think it's inaccurate of me to say that the social issue-focused progressives and the economics-focused progressives got set against each other hard this year. It's something I think was fully intended, with the expectation being that the social conscience of the people on the economics end would get the better of them and they'd turn out for the Democrats anyway - God knows it's why I went out and voted for Hillary on Tuesday, even if it was here in Alabama. I figure that's something I'm not alone in. But ultimately it was an approach meant to protect the self-interests of party elites from things that make them look bad, and it blew up in absolutely everyone's faces to give us what we now have. And that just isn't fair to me, to see the issues of any vulnerable population used like that.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:its lovely, but it was gonna happen even if he canceled it. they would just wait for trump to do it. plus obamas legacy is hosed already, so what the hell. Then let Trump loving do it, holy poo poo, so its not the Dems loving these people over.
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A Winner is Jew posted:
To be fair, even though I was right, I think I put it in far too histrionic of a way back when. We're all in this together. Keep your stick on the ice.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:
shitload of awful clintonites want to ossify in their seats and not admit any faults excuses we've seen from them so far, include but not limited to: "it was the comey letter" "press was mean to us" "white men racist scum" they need to be told loudly and forcefully their time is over, they had their chance, they have failed
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Zikan posted:howard dean and martin omalley have thrown their hat into the ring. the election is in march probably which will give the establishment time to potentailly regroup from their shock and make a last stand gently caress both of those dudes. O'Malley has the same approach to crime as Guilianni does, and Howard Dean sounded like loving Lindsey Graham when it came to Iran. Man, what a horror show this party has been for the past year.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:its lovely, but it was gonna happen even if he canceled it. they would just wait for trump to do it. plus obamas legacy is hosed already, so what the hell. he could at least force trump to do it and take the hit Dapper_Swindler posted:will there even be a civil war? the clintons were kinda the central pilar of the centrist/neoliberal left and they were loving destroyed. i mean Chelsea and a few of the hangerson are still around but everyone either bends the knee to bernie/ellison or they will die to trump. the neoliberals will rally and will have an unlimited amount of money with which to pay people to care about their opinions. they won't go away quickly. they won't go away at all. a populist democratic party puts their money and social status at stake and by the same token, don't assume some of the wealthiest liberal types won't defect to trump and the republicans if you win
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lol they ran into the wood and he's still choking that chicken. Dapper_Swindler posted:will there even be a civil war? the clintons were kinda the central pilar of the centrist/neoliberal left and they were loving destroyed. i mean Chelsea and a few of the hangerson are still around but everyone either bends the knee to bernie/ellison or they will die to trump. As far as I know VA/FL isn't going to fight. Schumer coming on board means NY might either. Lets see what the rest of the state parties/senators do.
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