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People should never vent their stress and emotions in a way they find comfortable. They should do the mature thing and bottle it all up for years until it crushes them mentally and they hang themselves from a tie in their cubicle.
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Non Serviam posted:You didn't. None of your sources allege what you claimed, I. E. Evidence of Snowden selling info to Russia and China My primary accusation was that Snowden didn't just steal secrets related to the NSA surveillance program. He definitely stole a lot more than that. Some goons said otherwise, but they were wrong
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Nov 12, 2016 00:05
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boner confessor posted:there's rain on your mountains? how absolutely decadent. i gaze into my volkish future from a mountaintop until my very eyes are transfixed with pride, and dehydration, and the whispers of my people flow between the cracks in my skin down to my masculine soul im sorry what? i didnt catch all that; i was busy astrally projecting myself back in time to spiritually shed blood in the akashic memory of the Great Patriotic War. not that a revisionist like you would appreciate the significance of that experience, or be prepared for the physical, mental, and ideological mortifications necessary to prepare for it.
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Nov 12, 2016 00:06
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boner confessor posted:no, trump voters burst into flames when they approach educational facilities. the lamentations would arise from monster truck rallies and hog pits across america, a litany of curses would be woven into the black eyes of Lurleens across the dust belt, spare-ribbed and quivering dogs would bay and how in unison knowing not why And then people would be making fun of all these stupid fragile babies in the alternate dimension uspol thread, because they would be immature little fucks, much like college students who need coloring books to deal with adversity.
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Nov 12, 2016 00:05
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QuarkJets posted:First of all, my accusations were two-fold. You can't claim that his only crime was revealing the NSA surveillance program: that is false. This was the idea that I was attacking, so I focused my efforts on supporting that. None of these articles support your claim that he sold information to either China or Russia. None of these articles even support your claim that the information that ended up in international hands had nothing to do with the unconstitutional US wiretapping apparatus.
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QuarkJets posted:My primary accusation was that Snowden didn't just steal secrets related to the NSA surveillance program. He definitely stole a lot more than that. Some goons said otherwise, but they were wrong Who claimed otherwise. Post quotes.
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Nov 12, 2016 00:07
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Non Serviam posted:Assuming you're being honest in your comment...
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QuarkJets posted:My primary accusation was that Snowden didn't just steal secrets related to the NSA surveillance program. He definitely stole a lot more than that. Some goons said otherwise, but they were wrong That's a weird accusation to make and complain about. It would be extremely difficult to manage just steal things directly related to any given program, as documentation involved would inevitably be full of related things that weren't strictly that.
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Nov 12, 2016 00:07
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QuarkJets posted:First of all, my accusations were two-fold. You can't claim that his only crime was revealing the NSA surveillance program: that is false. This was the idea that I was attacking, so I focused my efforts on supporting that. You are moving away from your claim, and posting sources that say "authoritative sources say...". Even then, no evidence of selling anything.
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Nov 12, 2016 00:06
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Mister Macys posted:They'd rather blame the poor than themselves. The majority of voters making less than $50,000 (53 & 51%) voted for Hillary. The majority of voters making more than that preferred Trump. This is why "economic anxiety," though not wrong, isn't the whole story by a long shot.
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Mister Macys posted:They'd rather blame the poor than themselves. The majority of voters making less than $50,000 (53 & 51%) voted for Hillary. The majority of voters making more than that preferred Trump. this doesn't tell nearly all the story. the democrats lost millions of voters from 2012. we don't know the economic breakdown of that group (unless we do and someone can post them) and we also know that hillary lost ground on people making less that $30,000 by considerable margins. sure we won the majority but we lost a significant number of those voters too and had not nearly the same kind of majority we need to to keep winning. Admiral Ray posted:The project should be to construct a laser to burn the words "Ur a racist" on the moon. finally, we're getting workable solutions. you'd have my vote, sir RaySmuckles fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Nov 12, 2016 |
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Nov 12, 2016 00:08
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Like let's be honest here, most of the poor probably didn't vote, period.
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Nov 12, 2016 00:08
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QuarkJets posted:The fact that it was the NY Times loving up the redaction is irrelevant. It proves my accusation that Snowden stole secrets that were unrelated to the NSA spying on US citizens. Snowden stole a whole bunch of poo poo, then handed it over to Greenwald and Poitras because he explicitly stated that it should be left to journalists to decide which of them are in the public interest rather than himself. I'm challenging your statement that he sold the secrets to foreign governements, none of the sources you've posted back this up.
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Nov 12, 2016 00:10
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paranoid randroid posted:im sorry what? i didnt catch all that; i was busy astrally projecting myself back in time to spiritually shed blood in the akashic memory of the Great Patriotic War. not that a revisionist like you would appreciate the significance of that experience, or be prepared for the physical, mental, and ideological mortifications necessary to prepare for it. haha, you soft bellied gently caress, you come from a timeline in which the soviets won the war of slav dismissal? how absolutely precious that you would assume i arose in the very lap of luxury that you foolishly reveal is your heritage  a real man is born, tattooed, lives and dies beneath the brutal heel of a nazi-lizard coalition to enslave humanity, and if my starving fingers could write one more word on this fourth dimensional portal i found beneath the latrine i would demonstrate what utter luxuries you don't even know you have, and the sheer bastard nerve of being priviliged enough to swing your timeline around in the faces of those who know nothing but unrelenting toil and horror you velvet-wrapped bon-bon fucktard
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Nov 12, 2016 00:11
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botany posted:None of these articles support your claim that he sold information to either China or Russia. None of these articles even support your claim that the information that ended up in international hands had nothing to do with the unconstitutional US wiretapping apparatus. They do both of those things. The first two showed that the Russian and Chinese governments definitely had a lot more of the Snowden documents than Snowden claimed, and my previous post showed that Snowden stole documents unrelated to the NSA surveillance program, including documents relating to operations being conducted by other countries. Even if you dismiss all of the evidence pointing to Snowden selling secrets (even though he definitely offered to sell secrets to Brazil in exchange for asylum), my point was that he stole secrets that were unrelated to the NSA surveillance program. There is a lot of evidence supporting this point, and I have provided some of it.
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Nov 12, 2016 00:12
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paranoid randroid posted:and yeah, i know this is just one guy, and hes on a podcast that is fairly irrelevant in the larger scheme of things, but it shows the kind of flippant attitude that bothers me greatly. theres a lot of talk this year about lefties needing to stop sneering at the white working class for being racist hicks, but i feel like we could also do with some talk about needing to stop sneering at our natural allies and constituents for being machine-lead lumpens with no appreciation for trot magazines. But we are not natural allies. I think a lot of this post-election analysis has started to lose sight of the forest for the trees. Hillary won among voters whose primary concern was the economy. Despite all her flaws, and the campaign's flaws in messaging, Hillary won on the economy. Why do we assume that rust-belt voters are single issue voters with that single issue being the economy? Maybe they were worried about gun rights now that there was a vacancy on the supreme court? Perhaps they were anti-abortion, and wanted a conservative SC to try and overturn Roe v. Wade? What if they are not huge fans of marriage equality, and were hoping to get that overturned? Look at the NC governor's race that people assumed would be a slam dunk after HB2. McCrory is challenging the result because he is only down 5,000 votes. The way the media and our liberal bubble talked the people of NC wanting his head, you would think that is one race that should have been in the bag, and Cooper might yet lose. Economics were not the only thing people voted on. Hillary carried voters prioritizing the economy by 10 points - Obama lost this to Romney by 4 points. She lost heavily among those whose priority was immigration or terrorism. Like Brexit, and the right-wing movements you see in Europe, it could just be that a lot of voters aren't comfortable with the changing face of America, and voted for the guy who seems to share their point of view on the matter.
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Nov 12, 2016 00:13
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Non Serviam posted:Assuming you're being honest in your comment... Look, man, I'm a returning student at a crazy liberal college and this isn't what is happening. These cry-ins and healing circles and shamanistic death rituals are being used to discuss what people that oppose Trump and his batshit agenda can actually do going forward and to come to grips with why people voted for Trump. These people don't have contact with what is being painted as rural white people that voted for Trump out of economic anxiety and racism and don't get why those people ignored Trump's hosed up rhetoric in favor of his bullshit. What would you prefer they do? Protest in the streets? Burn something down? Buy guns? Vote? Because they are gonna do these things, but in the meantime they're gonna be all sad and anxious and poo poo because Trump made a bunch of promises to kick some of them out of the country and stop and frisk the others.
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QuarkJets posted:They do both of those things. The first two showed that the Russian and Chinese governments definitely had a lot more of the Snowden documents than Snowden claimed, and my previous post showed that Snowden stole documents unrelated to the NSA surveillance program, including documents relating to operations being conducted by other countries. No, he did not try to sell secrets to Brazil either. You're literally making up points that not even the Obama DOJ did.
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Nov 12, 2016 00:13
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Alec Bald Snatch posted:
If you have a scholarship you pay about 12 grand on average instead of 50+, a lot of students cannot handle the academic pressure to perform up to the requirements and if they lose that scholarship they're hosed. http://www.harvard.edu/about-harvard/harvard-glance There are myriad pressures on students, that's just one of them. In my freshman year at Rutgers I was in the honors program so we got to live in a separate tower. A freshman felt so alienated socially that he jumped off the roof and landed on top of the adjacent honors engineering low-rise, right in front of the window of a friend of mine. She saw him before anyone else noticed the body and was traumatized by the event. The jumper was a freshman, the social pressure got to him in just a couple of months.
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Snowden is also a dumbass libertarian who doesn't understand that China is actually in charge in Hong Kong. Gee buddy, I guess the Reason article didn't say anything about it.
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Admiral Ray posted:Look, man, I'm a returning student at a crazy liberal college and this isn't what is happening. These cry-ins and healing circles and shamanistic death rituals are being used to discuss what people that oppose Trump and his batshit agenda can actually do going forward and to come to grips with why people voted for Trump. These people don't have contact with what is being painted as rural white people that voted for Trump out of economic anxiety and racism and don't get why those people ignored Trump's hosed up rhetoric in favor of his bullshit. If some of them are illegal immigrants, the ones Trump did say he'd kick out, the possibility of being deported shouldn't be a surprise.
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Nov 12, 2016 00:15
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botany posted:Who claimed otherwise. Post quotes. Non Serviam posted:What did he sow? Revealing the criminal work of the United States? Yeah, gently caress him!
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Nov 12, 2016 00:14
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Casimir Radon posted:Snowden is also a dumbass libertarian who doesn't understand that China is actually in charge in Hong Kong. Gee buddy, I guess the Reason article didn't say anything about it. Yeah, gently caress that hero that sacrificed his life and liberty to expose what your government is doing. That son of a bitch and his wrong opinions on monetary policy!
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dont even wag your multicellular finger at me you walking dick, what with your sexual dimorphism and macroscopic body. as a single celled amoeba i need nothing more to comfort myself in times of woe but sugar molecules and an absence of predators, none of this mollycoddling higher order behavior. trashy rear end needy little bitch
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Non Serviam posted:Yeah, gently caress that hero that sacrificed his life and liberty to expose what your government is doing. That son of a bitch and his wrong opinions on monetary policy!
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Non Serviam posted:No, he did not try to sell secrets to Brazil either. You're literally making up points that not even the Obama DOJ did. Snowden posted an open letter to Brazil offering US secrets in exchange for permanent asylum https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/17/edward-snowden-brazil-spying-asylum
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Nov 12, 2016 00:18
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Casimir Radon posted:Do you get all your opinions from Oliver Stone movies? I haven't seen Snowden. Not that it would make any of my points less true. Do you think the programs were legal and constitutional? Do you think the government should be able to eavesdrop on the conversations of everyone?
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Nov 12, 2016 00:17
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Casimir Radon posted:Snowden is also a dumbass libertarian who doesn't understand that China is actually in charge in Hong Kong. Gee buddy, I guess the Reason article didn't say anything about it. Yeah he thought Hong Kong was a great place to go to be free from a government interested in heavy-handed surveillance. It was pretty ironic. It's why he ended up stuck in Russia, because he realized after he announced "it was me, I released a bunch of stolen data" that oh poo poo, this place ain't safe, and tried to get out to the first place he could.
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Nov 12, 2016 00:19
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Share my nightmare. Day 1- Republicans impeach trump. Pence is president.
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QuarkJets posted:Snowden posted an open letter to Brazil offering US secrets in exchange for permanent asylum There's like a universe of difference between Dilma Rousseff and loving Putin.
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boner confessor posted:dont even wag your multicellular finger at me you walking dick, what with your sexual dimorphism and macroscopic body. as a single celled amoeba i need nothing more to comfort myself in times of woe but sugar molecules and an absence of predators, none of this mollycoddling higher order behavior. trashy rear end needy little bitch Elected a dangerous fascist with legions of mobilized fanatical followers? Time to crawl up your safe space and die.
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QuarkJets posted:Snowden posted an open letter to Brazil offering US secrets in exchange for permanent asylum Consider reading his actual letter https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/17/edward-snowden-letter-brazilian-people
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Nevvy Z posted:Share my nightmare. Day 1- Republicans impeach trump. Pence is president. I do honestly like Trump more than Pence.
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boner confessor posted:haha, you soft bellied gently caress, you come from a timeline in which the soviets won the war of slav dismissal? how absolutely precious that you would assume i arose in the very lap of luxury that you foolishly reveal is your heritage hahahaha. spare me you Asatru-cosplaying simian. through the power of Lysenkoist Meditation i have trained myself to operate at 100% metabolic efficiency, and no longer have need of booj-wah affectations like latrines and ostentatious starvation.
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paranoid randroid posted:well aintchu just the cutest little stoic? yes you are! yes you are!
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Agnosticnixie posted:There's like a universe of difference between Dilma Rousseff and loving Putin.
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NoEyedSquareGuy posted:Snowden stole a whole bunch of poo poo, then handed it over to Greenwald and Poitras because he explicitly stated that it should be left to journalists to decide which of them are in the public interest rather than himself. I'm challenging your statement that he sold the secrets to foreign governements, none of the sources you've posted back this up. Then how did Russia so quickly crack the NSA-encrypted files? And why did they even have them, when Snowden didn't even give those to anyone?
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Agnosticnixie posted:There's like a universe of difference between Dilma Rousseff and loving Putin. I agree, I'm just responding to a goon that said something didn't happen when it clearly did
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QuarkJets posted:Snowden posted an open letter to Brazil offering US secrets in exchange for permanent asylum Are you actually reading any of these articles you're linking? At no point does this say that he was going to sell the Brazilian government NSA data in exchange for asylum. It's referencing their outrage after it was already published that the NSA has spied on the Brazilian government. Maybe he was offering to work for their intelligence agencies or in some other capacity. As previously established, he didn't keep a copy of the material he stole and wouldn't have had it to give them. e: QuarkJets posted:Then how did Russia so quickly crack the NSA-encrypted files? And why did they even have them, when Snowden didn't even give those to anyone? This also didn't happen. I'm just going to assume you're making poo poo up as you're going along now.
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