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PhazonLink posted:That sounds like the stupidest chaos timeline. Donnie wins, but somehow the Senate and Congress flip blue. Trump winning alone is proof that the timelines are in chaos. Its not actually impossible for Congress and state govts to flip. Hell if you want to get really weird, there could be a divide within the GOP congress where the NeverTrumpers do battle with the Trumpists with the Dems playing the spoiler - helping to things like infrastructure spending or whatever passed but blocking some of the crazier poo poo.
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Mantis42 posted:Trump winning alone is proof that the timelines are in chaos. Its not actually impossible for Congress and state govts to flip. Hell if you want to get really weird, there could be a divide within the GOP congress where the NeverTrumpers do battle with the Trumpists with the Dems playing the spoiler - helping to things like infrastructure spending or whatever passed but blocking some of the crazier poo poo. I think its clear we're in the worst timeline. They're going to happily work together to gently caress over america; the only question is the degree and the speed.
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botany posted:No that did not definitely happen outside of your imagination. Also is your theory now that Snowden was sitting on additional information he didn't give to the Guardian that he was bargaining with? Info that never saw the light of day? Where is that info now? How did he transport it when we know he destroyed all harddrives after the hand-off in Beijing? I never said that he was offering Brazil classified documents. I said he was offering them classified information, aka things that Snowden knows and that are also classified. He offers to support Brazilian counterintelligence efforts in the letter, do you think that he's offering to mop the floors or do you think that he is offering them insider information?
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That professor who predicted the election saying now that he thinks Trump will be impeached by his own party just makes a whole lot of sense. He's fought with most of them on the way to victory, and anything less than a full rear end-kiss from them will get loud defiance from him as a response. Look at how fast they turned on Paul Ryan.
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Telephones posted:I wonder exactly how scared they are of his volatility. Do they understand that he poses a real existential threat to world peace or do they just not care? I honestly don't think he will be a bigger threat to global stability than any other GOP candidate was. Back in the primaries they pretty much all took the stance of indiscriminately bombing the hell out of the Middle East because ISIS. I do wonder how the establishment Republicans feel about Trump's foreign policy of "let Russia do whatever they want". VH4Ever posted:That professor who predicted the election saying now that he thinks Trump will be impeached by his own party just makes a whole lot of sense. He's fought with most of them on the way to victory, and anything less than a full rear end-kiss from them will get loud defiance from him as a response. Look at how fast they turned on Paul Ryan. Impeaching him would pretty much be handing the next election to the dems though. They have control of everything right now. If they want to keep it that way, they have to appear competent and united. If they spend that time ripping each other apart then their voter turnout will drop like a rock. I feel like predicting anything in a Trump world is futile though so who knows.
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QuarkJets posted:I never said that he was offering Brazil classified documents. I said he was offering them classified information, aka things that Snowden knows and that are also classified. He offers to support Brazilian counterintelligence efforts in the letter, do you think that he's offering to mop the floors or do you think that he is offering them insider information? Information that isn't in the documents that have been published. So he's offering them his expertise? That's your scathing indictment? What exactly do you expect him to have stored in his brain that isn't in the hundreds of thousands of documents he took? This is starting to verge wildly between outright conspiracy theory and banalities.
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Internet Kraken posted:I honestly don't think he will be a bigger threat to global stability than any other GOP candidate was. Back in the primaries they pretty much all took the stance of indiscriminately bombing the hell out of the Middle East because ISIS. Yeah, but they didn't talk about abandoning our NATO obligations or encouraging Japan to militarize again.
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"different countries have different understandings of financial crime and that's okay"
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Winkie01 posted:https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/797217172305145856 He's going to make so much loving money. Might actually hit billionaire status. Going off precedent for the election season and Trump doing pretty much every single thing he accused others of doing, does the evidence of him rigging the election come out before or after he's sworn in?
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fknlo posted:He's going to make so much loving money. Might actually hit billionaire status. I already saw a few things in either this thread or the election thread about "increased botnet activity" in key states, but I don't know how reliable that is.
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fknlo posted:He's going to make so much loving money. Might actually hit billionaire status. During the ceremony. It'll turn out reporters had this story all ready to go but for ~some reason~ didn't mention it.
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trump is much more predictable than i think people here are giving credit for. the two things he cares about are himself and people liking him. he'll pass legislation from congress because it'll make people near him congratulate him, and the rest of his focus will be toward policy that explicitly boosts his own businesses. if he tries to gut nafta he will guaranteed include loopholes that allow his own construction projects to continue unhindered. attempts at foreign policy bravado will be hampered by how easily he's bribed/blackmailed by foreign stakeholders in his business, although iran might not be able to get in on that. social issues will obviously be horrible with what congress sails through his office, but they'll be compounded by his using the department of homeland security (who he has already exempted from his proposed federal hiring freeze) to carry out revenge for petty grudges from throughout his life and the campaign.
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Winkie01 posted:https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/797217172305145856 Yeah but see Hillary was worse and more corrupt bexause
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Spaced God posted:Moscow had contacts with Trump team during campaign, Russian diplomat says Wow what a loving revelation except it's normal for presidential campaigns to talk to foreign countries because those countries want to know what's going to happen. The Clinton camp talked to a lot of different countries, presumably including middle eastern dictatorships, but also european countries who got poo poo scared Trump might get elected.
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Spaced God posted:I already saw a few things in either this thread or the election thread about "increased botnet activity" in key states, but I don't know how reliable that is. I saw that too but obviously haven't put a lot of faith in it since I've only seen it that one time and no one else seems to have run with it.
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Spaced God posted:Moscow had contacts with Trump team during campaign, Russian diplomat says When are Trump, Putin, and that Duterte dude gonna sit down for a meeting pictures of which will be in history books? In a bad way, I mean
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https://twitter.com/stevesilberman/status/797185105844277248 So this happened.
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I want to take Bill Burr's face and rub it in this like a puppy who pissed all over the floor.
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botany posted:I want to take Bill Burr's face and rub it in this like a puppy who pissed all over the floor. Puppies don't learn that way
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botany posted:Information that isn't in the documents that have been published. So he's offering them his expertise? That's your scathing indictment? What exactly do you expect him to have stored in his brain that isn't in the hundreds of thousands of documents he took? This is starting to verge wildly between outright conspiracy theory and banalities. You're asking whether it's even feasible for Snowden, a person working in an NSA facility, to have additional classified knowledge beyond what was contained not just in the documents that were stolen, but specifically in the documents that were published? Is this a joke? E: furthermore, even if we restrict the question to information contained in the leaks, whether or not that information was already given to journalists is irrelevant to whether or not he was offering classified information to Brazil. It effects the moral impact, but not the fact that it happened, contrary to your original position that it didn't QuarkJets fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Nov 12, 2016 |
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zegermans posted:Puppies don't learn that way I know, I just want to do it to Bill Burr 
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Internet Kraken posted:I honestly don't think he will be a bigger threat to global stability than any other GOP candidate was. Back in the primaries they pretty much all took the stance of indiscriminately bombing the hell out of the Middle East because ISIS. if the trump U case goes south for him they might jump on it though because it means that pence will be the president and they'll have a full 2 years to utterly destroy the country of course this has about as much chance of happening as him not making it to 270 in the EC because of faithless voters
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QuarkJets posted:You're asking whether it's even feasible for Snowden, a person working in an NSA facility, to have additional classified knowledge beyond what was contained not just in the documents that were stolen, but specifically in the documents that were published? Is this a joke? I want to know if you have any proof for what you're claiming or if this is just your gut feeling.
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Spaced God posted:https://twitter.com/virgiltexas/status/797221054372528128 In times like these, you can always look to Dinesh D'Souza to put things in perspective.
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I'm half Mexican and I have long hair and look native. I've already had two interactions with white people that I don't think would have happened otherwise. Bad ones, to be specific. It's going to be a long 4 years.
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Why would Putin release that information (if they have it)? An easily-manipulable White House is much more valuable than a White House in disarray.
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Jesus Christ that is the single worst lineup for anything I can imagine. did Enoch Powells restless howling specter have a scheduling conflict, because im astounded it isnt on there
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You guys can blame racism till your face turns blue but at the end of the day she lost the rust belt to a republican with less votes than mitt romney. The millions of democrats that stayed home didn't make an active decision to gently caress over minorities and it's frankly obnoxious to say so. White supremacy didnt win with less votes than 2008 or 2012, democrats just lost. There was no surge in racists there was just apathy over Hillary.
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Winkie01 posted:https://twitter.com/JillDLawrence/status/797189675538595841 This reads exactly like the slow shamefacedly walking back of pro Brexit talking points after it won. Right down to the details. Truly, history repeats itself, apparently a lot more swiftly than we expected.
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