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Winkie01 posted:https://twitter.com/JillDLawrence/status/797189675538595841 Gonna eliminate those regulations just to be sure though. If the jobs don't go back I guess the free market just made its decision.
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Spaced God posted:DNC interm is hanging out with Milo. All this time we thought HRC was setting up the field to play Trump. As it turns out, maybe it was the reverse! Trump sleeper agents! 
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Spaced God posted:https://twitter.com/virgiltexas/status/797221054372528128 Remember that time some goon posted a youtube video of her "confronting Horowitz" and she got owned so hard that too this day it's posted by right wing circles as "Sharia advocate gets destroyed by Professor!"
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ArbitraryC posted:You guys can blame racism till your face turns blue but at the end of the day she lost the rust belt to a republican with less votes than mitt romney. The millions of democrats that stayed home didn't make an active decision to gently caress over minorities and it's frankly obnoxious to say so. White supremacy didnt win with less votes than 2008 or 2012, democrats just lost. There was no surge in racists there was just apathy over Hillary. The Trump Campaign's plan to suppress the vote should be at least partially credited with working. “We have three major voter suppression operations under way” http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-27/inside-the-trump-bunker-with-12-days-to-go Combined with swing states that switched being run by governments that purposely made it harder to vote is a huge factor that shouldn't be ignore. Really, anyone trying to say the loss happened because one reason is over simplifying a complicated thing with lots of parts.
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Winkie01 posted:https://twitter.com/JillDLawrence/status/797189675538595841 maybe some of the infrastructure spending will go towards opening the mines again. we will find the money by repealing obamacare, medicaid, and medicare.
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Mr Hootington posted:maybe some of the infrastructure spending will go towards opening the mines again. we will find the money by repealing obamacare, medicaid, and medicare. Maybe they can spend money on rebuilding the entire mountains they literally removed to save their dying industry, since they'll need those if they ever want to transition to tourism.
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Quorum posted:This reads exactly like the slow shamefacedly walking back of pro Brexit talking points after it won. Right down to the details. Truly, history repeats itself, apparently a lot more swiftly than we expected. Fortunately, unlike Brexit, Trump isn't permanent
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They'll just make up for the crazy promises they can't deliver by making GBS threads way harder on the other side. "Yeah, we didn't rebuild the rust belt, but look, we kicked all theses leeches off welfare! And no more silly climate change studies!" That culture war crap will be enough to tide them over for at least one term.
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Fojar38 posted:Fortunately, unlike Brexit, Trump isn't permanent Unlike brexit, Trump is definitely going to happen
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Winkie01 posted:https://twitter.com/JillDLawrence/status/797189675538595841 Now someone get a quote from Ken Bone on how all those coal jobs are gone and never coming back.
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hey gang! Victor Davis Hanson is back! in pog form!
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botany posted:I want to know if you have any proof for what you're claiming or if this is just your gut feeling. Are you seriously suggesting that the entirety of Snowden's classified knowledge was contained in the documents that happened to be published? That is just stupid. I don't personally know what's in Snowden's head but you're seriously an idiot if you think that classified information can only be digital In Snowden's letter he explicitly points to Brazil asking for his help, specifically, with their counterintelligence efforts. This is clearly a request for help where Snowden has some specific, unique qualifications (I wonder if they want his world famous chili recipe???). And he says that he will happily help, in exchange for permanent asylum. That is the thing that you are denying has happened.
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Fojar38 posted:Fortunately, unlike Brexit, Trump isn't permanent Unfortunately, he still has a lot of long-lasting consequences.
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zegermans posted:Maybe they can spend money on rebuilding the entire mountains they literally removed to save their dying industry, since they'll need those if they ever want to transition to tourism. they only want good jobs. servicing foreigners is not a good job.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bkm2Vfj42FY the trump stuff begins starting around 8min or so this is from the end of september, but he's been on to this since before that
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Isn't the reason Coal is dying is because its some ridiculous like 90 cents a ton or some poo poo.
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speaking of Mark Blyth this happened the day after and is a good listen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWMmBG3Z4DI this also is worth watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0IwIOUg_Cs
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Hollismason posted:Isn't the reason Coal is dying is because its some ridiculous like 90 cents a ton or some poo poo. Every other form of energy is cheaper, cleaner, and more efficient at this point. Coal died because it's the horse-and-buggy whip of the 21st century. But Republicans pushed a "war on coal" narrative, Democrats failed to effectively counter it, and welp.
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Practically no one works in coal anyway, so I don't get why these people have any power at all. Like every other manufacturing or drilling type industry, production is up while jobs are down, and it's largely because of mechanization and robotization. From 1965 to 2016, the number of workers has halved, and production has doubled.
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ArbitraryC posted:You guys can blame racism till your face turns blue but at the end of the day she lost the rust belt to a republican with less votes than mitt romney. The millions of democrats that stayed home didn't make an active decision to gently caress over minorities and it's frankly obnoxious to say so. White supremacy didnt win with less votes than 2008 or 2012, democrats just lost. There was no surge in racists there was just apathy over Hillary. the admission of this requires a series of rather large leaps: 1)  THE IRON ABUELA wasn't the perfect candidate2) people care more about their economic station than identity politics 3) you can't shame people into doing what you want them to do
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Spacebump posted:The Trump Campaign's plan to suppress the vote should be at least partially credited with working. “We have three major voter suppression operations under way” Voter suppression is a much more reasonable talking point than saying we had a surge in white nationalism when trump had less overall voters than Romney and gained on every minority vote.
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Has this forum become such garbage that we have to constantly say "there were a number of major and minor factors that led to the election results and anyone who says it was one particular issue is very clearly wrong?"
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XyrlocShammypants posted:Has this forum become such garbage that we have to constantly say "there were a number of major and minor factors that led to the election results and anyone who says it was one particular issue is very clearly wrong?" Since Tuesday it's been depression, anger, sad-sacking, and basic mistakes about how the US government functions.
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Spaced God posted:https://twitter.com/virgiltexas/status/797221054372528128 At first I thought that said Richard Spencer, founder of one of the leading alt-right neo-Nazi think tanks. It's actually Robert Spencer. quote:Spencer does not believe that traditional Islam is "inherently terroristic" but says he can prove that "traditional Islam contains violent and supremacist elements", and that "its various schools unanimously teach warfare against and the subjugation of unbelievers".[16] However, he rejects the notion that all Muslims are necessarily violent people.[16] He has said that among moderate Muslims, "there are some who are genuinely trying to frame a theory and practice of Islam that will allow for peaceful coexistence with unbelievers as equals."[17] gently caress Donna Brazile. She needs to resign immediately and give her house to a homeless person.
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Business Gorillas posted:the admission of this requires a series of rather large leaps: 1. Obviously. 2. Some people, clearly. 3. Sure, but you can still think they are assholes when they elect a facist.
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XyrlocShammypants posted:Practically no one works in coal anyway, so I don't get why these people have any power at all. Like every other manufacturing or drilling type industry, production is up while jobs are down, and it's largely because of mechanization and robotization. Like farming, coal mining is a symbol of good honest romanticized American work. Nobody goes to Missouri and interviews slaughterhouse workers.
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QuarkJets posted:Are you seriously suggesting that the entirety of Snowden's classified knowledge was contained in the documents that happened to be published? That is just stupid. I don't personally know what's in Snowden's head but you're seriously an idiot if you think that classified information can only be digital No you moron I'm saying that the most likely case is that he offered to help with their investigations in exactly the same way he has been helping German, British, French, US media and others: By helping people make sense of the documents that were released, leading them through the acronym jungle, and explaining how the different programs were related. You know, the same thing he's been doing for everyone. That's his "specific, unique qualification". Which we know, because he's used that qualification in exactly that way. Literally everything we know makes this the most plausible explanation. You have no loving evidence of anything else. Nothing. You only have your gut feelings, without proof, without any indication that you're right. That's all you're offering. You're wrong. You were wrong when you claimed he sold unrelated info to China and Russia, you're wrong at this nth iteration of your claims after all the previous ones have been debunked. Unless you can pull a rabbit out of your rear end and surprise the entire world with some piece of info that nobody has ever seen before, that's all you'll ever have. A gut feeling that everyone else got it wrong and you're the only one who knows the truth. Kindly shut the gently caress up.
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XyrlocShammypants posted:Has this forum become such garbage that we have to constantly say "there were a number of major and minor factors that led to the election results and anyone who says it was one particular issue is very clearly wrong?" Yeah because a lot of goons want to solely blame racist white people
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1stGear posted:Every other form of energy is cheaper, cleaner, and more efficient at this point. Coal died because it's the horse-and-buggy whip of the 21st century. But Republicans pushed a "war on coal" narrative, Democrats failed to effectively counter it, and welp. This and coal isn't dead dead. It's just dead in "coal country".
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ArbitraryC posted:Voter suppression is a much more reasonable talking point than saying we had a surge in white nationalism when trump had less overall voters than Romney and gained on every minority vote. Yes. Low turnout was the actual story of this election, but "angry white poors" is so much more fun to talk about I guess.
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Winkie01 posted:https://twitter.com/JillDLawrence/status/797189675538595841 Yeah the GOP voters tend to more loyalty, but if you gently caress them over their jobs so openly. They might just stay home.
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quote:“This latest stunt from President Obama’s Department of Health and Human Services should surprise absolutely no one,” said Congressman Diane Black. “We’ve known all along that the Obama Administration will go to untold lengths to protect its friends in the big abortion industry." Is this what conservatives actually believe?
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Crowsbeak posted:Yeah the GOP voters tend to more loyalty, but if you gently caress them over their jobs so openly. They might just stay home. The people who put Trump in the white house are not loyal GOP voters.
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Crowsbeak posted:Yeah the GOP voters tend to more loyalty, but if you gently caress them over their jobs so openly. They might just stay home. They pretty much did anyhow. Trump won with less votes than Romney or McCain.
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Nevvy Z posted:1. Obviously. 2. Turns out that people who aren't financially secure have bigger things to worry about than things like portrayals of women in video games or whatever insane derails the previous iterations this thread had. There was a very deliberate attempt by people to paint every sort of economic suggestion left of center as racist and we just had a massive referendum on that. I just hope that the lesson the Democratic party takes from this election is that it needs to actually be progressive or die. 3. Absolutely. I'm actually glad its looking like a massive kleptocracy for the fleeting feeling of schadenfreude of a few of my former friends basically detonating their entire social circle to voice their support for Trump, only to have him almost immediately betray them.
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Yeah because a lot of goons want to solely blame racist white people Racist white people have been a key part of the Republican electorate for most of the lifetime of anyone still alive today. Those people are to blame too. Business Gorillas posted:2. Turns out that people who aren't financially secure have bigger things to worry about than things like portrayals of women in video games or whatever insane derails the previous iterations this thread had. There was a very deliberate attempt by people to paint every sort of economic suggestion left of center as racist and we just had a massive referendum on that. I just hope that the lesson the Democratic party takes from this election is that it needs to actually be progressive or die. 3. Agreed. 2. This thread isn't what racist white poeple were basing their votes on.
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Is this what conservatives actually believe? Some, yeah. Anecdotal but my step mom legit believes Planned Parenthood only performs abortions to sell aborted fetuses. Once you think abortion is murder it's not really a big deal to make any other step. Plus she's, ah, gullible as gently caress with this sort of thing. So I can't speak to 'conservatives' but a non-zero number do believe poo poo like that, yeah.
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Fojar38 posted:The people who put Trump in the white house are not loyal GOP voters. The lovely turnout put Trump in the whitehouse, period. There were some Obama voters who went to Trump, but that story is way overplayed. More people will turn out for the GOP as a baseline, and with low overall turnout the GOP will always win.
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RaySmuckles posted:whoo buddy, that is not my thesis. Yeah, we're cool. You'll know if I'm genuinely angry and not being melodramatic if I make a direct personal attack. That said, I'm an authoritarian leftist who swings further than Bernie, and I'm very protective of the poor.
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