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there's a good argument that the comey letter and their hyping of it is an immediate cause of trump's victory lol fixing the democratic party is the proper topic for the democratic autopsy thread but don't let anyone (media particularly) forget that the national media are directly responsible for every awful thing that happens in the next 2-8 years
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MJ12 posted:I think these two posts are interesting together because I want to say that there's no contradiction between progressive, leftist policy and not being anti-business. A lot of progressive policy is good for companies and investors if they can get their heads out of their asses and look at the long term. All of those things are long-term good for society, which is good for "business". However in the short term all of those things mean fewer quarterly profits, either because having to pay experienced people more then new people, installing more safety devices, changing processes or decreasing pollution, both of which will cause at least a short-term loss of profit.
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Remember when Trump spent two years calling CNN corrupt and criminal, so in response they hired his "former" campaign manager and actually paid him to recite Trump propaganda on TV? I bet that kind of horrible treatment really taught them a lesson about standing up to fascism.
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Nov 12, 2016 04:07
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Fast Luck posted:Maybe now we'll work with Russia to take out Al Qaeda in Syria jfc
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Fast Luck posted:These were Bernie's appointments to the platform committee West is a massive jackoff who called obama a ton of awful race poo poo. gently caress that assfuck. the rest are good choices though. Atrocious Joe posted:https://twitter.com/markos/status/796767945334648832 i mean, he ist fully wrong and it sounds like trump wants to crack down on anyone who says bad things about him so who knows what will happen. comingafteryouall posted:I don't know if this would have worked for Donald Trump, though. Trump lying his rear end off didn't matter because Clinton was completely untrustworthy. But if he's up against a real honest politician with actual principals? Stuff might have mattered. yeah, we are hosed if they actualy rule together. I am hoping there is still some internal division in the GOP though.
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Nov 12, 2016 04:09
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You cannot bemoan sell outs while hoping we shack up with Oligarchs.ru. Nothing good will ever come out of making the literal richest man on earth happy.
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Nov 12, 2016 04:08
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Well What Now posted:Actually we do need a message. We need the message that under Trump and the Republicans everyone is going to be even worse than what we had before Obama. I don't think anyone has any illusions that Trump was telling them the truth, but he deigned to address their concerns even if those concerns have no basis in reality. Here's the thing. We DO NOT need a message that under Trump and Republicans everything will be worse. Half the country already knows that. The other half is about to have the chance to find out. We never need to tell people that they are or are going to be miserable. They can figure that out for themselves. All the "you're going to be worse" message does is take things that people care about hostage. You're pointing a gun at LGBT rights, or Roe v. Wade or whatever and saying "Vote for me, or you'll be sorry!" And then one person in the back pulls out a pistol and shoots the hostage whilst shouting "MAGA." What we DO need as a message is that there's a party that gives a poo poo about everyone, that is listening to everyone, and is working on real, workable solutions for everyone. We need to kick identity politics to the loving garbage can where it belongs, and replace it with unity politics. Not "You must conform" unity but "You're cool as you are, let's work together, ok?" unity. And you know, if the DNC wants to keep dicking around with internal power plays and keeping people from the Clinton machine in the inner circle, then we need to either start a tea-partyesque movement or just bail and let them shrivel and die.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Extremely Hot Take incoming: Alienated people who voted for Trump were absolutely right to do so, because if Clinton had won the establishment would claim to be validated (despite losing Congress, and downtickets) and then nothing would have changed. Their lives would still be mired in the poo poo while every woke pipsqueak confidently asserted that they don't matter. cold water take: no
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Powercrazy posted:All of those things are long-term good for society, which is good for "business". However in the short term all of those things mean fewer quarterly profits, either because having to pay experienced people more then new people, installing more safety devices, changing processes or decreasing pollution, both of which will cause at least a short-term loss of profit. It depends on what you start with and the message you put out for it. If you get a large cash infusion to the poor and middle class that's a short term boost in products being sold, services utilized that increases profits and energizes the economy. Then you just have to sell it as it being better than fat cats on Wall Street taking that money out of the country and sitting on it.
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Nov 12, 2016 04:14
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disenfranchised people weren't "right" to vote for trump they just didn't have any other loving option
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Disenfranchised people, who have been shot in the nuts, are right to shoot themselves in the nuts again
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capitalism, or rather capitalists, are inherently self destructive and also incredibly incredibly loving powerful
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Nov 12, 2016 04:15
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Zikan posted:post-presidency before the world got turned upside down, obama was making plans with eric holder to fight against gerrymandering and for voter access which will be important, especially in the age of voter suppression that the trump presidency will entail. that would be a good project to do where he can act as a leader without getting involved with the upcoming civil war I'm so glad he was planning on waiting until after he stopped being the most powerful man in the world to try and do something
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Nov 12, 2016 04:16
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Powercrazy posted:This is hilariously optimistic at best, and incredibly naive at worse. I meant the Democratic Party has very little power, not the people in control don't. The NYC oligarchs and SF tech lords absolutely have power, but the party is in decline. If they want to make it work as a governing body, they need a direction that gives results.
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Nov 12, 2016 04:17
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Venom Snake posted:You cannot bemoan sell outs while hoping we shack up with Oligarchs.ru. Nothing good will ever come out of making the literal richest man on earth happy. Totally, but at the same time that doesn't mean Obama's pushing for a war 6 years ago was a good idea, nor is air dropping crates of weapons to the "good" rebels going to fix anything. I mean I've actually been to Syria and saw parts of it and met ordinary Syrians in my own limited tourist kind of way, so I'm not without empathy. Assad is absolutely a murderous monster, but so much of the Middle East is such a ball of poo poo politically the only way not to get poop all over your hands is to not touch it.
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especially since al qaeda's on our payroll there
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cool Keith Ellison, the future DNC chair, fact https://twitter.com/ckilpatrick/status/797072477453172736
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Nov 12, 2016 04:17
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capitalists are basically golum and profits are their one ring only they are in charge of everything to the extent that everyone depends on them
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Nov 12, 2016 04:22
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Cinnamon Bear posted:especially since al qaeda's on our payroll there The existence of the kurdish people is a myth. mrmcd posted:Totally, but at the same time that doesn't mean Obama's pushing for a war 6 years ago was a good idea I agree. But people are not going to look back on the United States fondly for doing not much at all about about the genocide happening in Syria right now.
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Nov 12, 2016 04:22
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It's really, really sad that Trump is going to pull the rug out from under the Kurds and they are going to get gassed by everyone. Again.
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Nov 12, 2016 04:23
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i really really loving hate having to say this, because i really do deeply care about nearly every loving person on this planet, even the stupid mean ones, but we've got bigger problems than syria
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Nov 12, 2016 04:25
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Venom Snake posted:The existence of the kurdish people is a myth. Don't worry. Come January, FP will be routed through Moscow
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Nov 12, 2016 04:24
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Fast Luck posted:Lol. I unfollowed that dude. I get his point but he's so obsessed with the "white working class" that it gets scary. It's the only thing he tweets about besides rapeghazi drama He was 100% right, though.
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Nov 12, 2016 04:27
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a lot of loving people are going to die everywhere because we let this poo poo bag, and the gop, win
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Nov 12, 2016 04:26
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NecroMonster posted:a lot of loving people are going to die everywhere because we let this poo poo bag, and the gop, win To be fair 'a lot of loving people are going to die everywhere' is basically the description of post-WW2 US foreign policy. In that, Trump is possibly the first actual break.
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I made the mistake once of posting in the Syria thread in D&D, and I brought up the inescapable fact that if the Salafists we were supporting won against the government, there would be an Allawi genocide. The reaction in that thread was to say that, basically, sometimes a genocide is necessary. DO. NOT. BE. THOSE. PEOPLE.
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NecroMonster posted:i really really loving hate having to say this, because i really do deeply care about nearly every loving person on this planet, even the stupid mean ones, but we've got bigger problems than syria We can actually help people at home and abroad at the same time. But they are all going to die because Bush invaded Iraq and 4 people died in Bengazhi and we aren't allowed to touch the middle east anymore. I actually know someone whose literally the last person left in his family because they all got killed by Assad. They worked for the Syrian government lmao
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Nov 12, 2016 04:31
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Pick posted:Disenfranchised people, who have been shot in the nuts, are right to shoot themselves in the nuts again What did they have to lose? 
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I made the mistake once of posting in the Syria thread in D&D, and I brought up the inescapable fact that if the Salafists we were supporting won against the government, there would be an Allawi genocide. The reaction in that thread was to say that, basically, sometimes a genocide is necessary. Turkeys government has already arrested a large amount of the Kurdish political leaders. The Kurdish people are going to spend another couple of decades getting brutally prosecuted, gassed, and uprooted from their homes and we are going to do nothing. These people put their faith in us. And they are all going to die.
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Nov 12, 2016 04:36
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wow Friday night getting dark I finished writing my class so I'm gonna go out and desperately try to have a fleeting moment of happiness
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I made the mistake once of posting in the Syria thread in D&D, and I brought up the inescapable fact that if the Salafists we were supporting won against the government, there would be an Allawi genocide. The reaction in that thread was to say that, basically, sometimes a genocide is necessary. Anyone that wants to 'buddy up with Russia and Assad to get al-Qaeda in Syria' does not care about international justice, period. SoggyBobcat has issued a correction as of 04:38 on Nov 12, 2016 |
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Venom Snake posted:I agree. But people are not going to look back on the United States fondly for doing not much at all about about the genocide happening in Syria right now. Assad is not committing genocide against Sunnis and accusing him of basically the only war crime he hasn't committed undermines every other accusation This is a very fishmech post but most definitions of genocide don't include political beliefs. Mass murder and torture isn't as catchy but it's actually true
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What bitch
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Venom Snake posted:Turkeys government has already arrested a large amount of the Kurdish political leaders. The Kurdish people are going to spend another couple of decades getting brutally prosecuted, gassed, and uprooted from their homes and we are going to do nothing. These people put their faith in us. And they are all going to die. Yeah, kid, and who do you think sold Turkey all of the weapons they're using to do that? What massive international alliance is Turkey a part of?
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Nov 12, 2016 04:37
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'Thanks, Hillary!"
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NecroMonster posted:a lot of loving people are going to die everywhere because we let this poo poo bag, and the gop, win I mean I get this but then again the alternative was a No-Fly Zone and boots on the ground, both of which would have put the US in a direct armed confrontation with Russia. It sucks but geopolitics is a dirty game.
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