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goatse.cx posted:let me guess, 'american whites are so intractably racist that no amount of offering free poo poo will win them over', asserted as self-evident fact over and over. i'm not gonna read it for sake of my health btw. Actually, yeah, that's the thread.
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that thread has been a clamour of 'neoliberals lost the rust belt, purge them and offer white workers something to vote for' from page 1 dude
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Yeah what Peel said. The entire thing is excoriating the Clintons and dem centrists, it's a therapeutic environment for any angry leftist even though it's not Marxist and consistently erases class
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Liberals are learning a lot in the autopsy thread. It's places like D&D and r/EnoughSandersSpam where the most delusional have retreated to comfort themselves in an echo chamber.
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Yeah the autopsy thread is good. Even the DnD thread has a some decent discussion in it. This is a definite come to Jesus moment.
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Fast Luck posted:even though it's not Marxist and consistently erases class Yeah, that's the frustrating thing though, at least in my opinion. The left hits an ideological and practical roadblock without class analysis and that's what continuously holds it back. Either way, yeah it's a more readable thread than I made it out to be and liberals do seem a lot more genuine here. I was wrong my apologies.
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hey, we're tryin' even if it's within the doomed effort of politics the head of the democratic national committe could be a jacobin reader however which would be a hilarious 180 from what it was
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This is what real refusal to learn looks like:quote:[–]pseud_o_nym 17 points 9 hours ago
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the bernout revolt is inherently ~reformist social-democratic electoralism~ but i'm a softy who thinks differences between capitalist regimes have real value when there isn't yet a socialist moment
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my dream scenario into this whole fracas, and probably why i'm investing so much effort beyond doing something to not go insane, is that the bylaws of the democratic party are rewritten to allow party members to have more decision authority, paving the way for a uk style momentum takeover
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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:I can't believe this thread managed to get dumber and more masturbatory post-election. Lots of barely latent accelerationism. It's not like we asked for this.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Liberals are learning a lot in the autopsy thread. It's places like D&D and r/EnoughSandersSpam where the most delusional have retreated to comfort themselves in an echo chamber. come to something like nite crew's nightly stream and prove that we're not humorless automatons it helps, I swear
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drat you progressives for not supporting the establishment unconditionally The big problem with liberals, other than being so willing to accept corporatists and technocrats, is how they really think everyone on be left is required to agree and vote with the Democrats just because they're the only major party that supposedly caters to them
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Larry Parrish posted:drat you progressives for not supporting the establishment unconditionally tbf I'm more pissed with the technocrats because it's a new generation of folks who feel untied to anything around them, will go anywhere the pay is better, and will refuse to finish anything they start. at least a corporatist has to stick with whatever they shill. these senior user experience/user interface people are more insufferable to me than the typical [x] lobbyist. they don't even have loyalty enough to stick with something! these professionals are transforming messes that have no ties or responsibility for whatever they so happen to "accomplish."
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Larry Parrish posted:drat you progressives for not supporting the establishment unconditionally This is the logic they pursue with every single one of their constituency that isn't moneyed. How much have Democrats really done for blacks, Hispanics, Asians, natives, or any of the other core groups they harp on? Every time their support really counts, Democrats are nowhere to be found. We had a black president who didn't do a drat thing about police brutality, NODAPL, deportations (made worse), economic abandonment, you name it. Not being as bad as the Republicans just isn't loving good enough, and the across the board suppressed turnout is proof that people aren't buying it anymore. Weeping Wound posted:come to something like nite crew's nightly stream and prove that we're not humorless automatons Link? I don't have it in me tonight, but I'll hang sometime. Pener Kropoopkin fucked around with this message at 06:49 on Nov 12, 2016 |
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i live in the rustbelt, i voted for obama twice, and i abstained from voting for hillary because i'm tired of the social agenda being held hostage to acquiescence to neoliberal economic policy. shoot the hostage! [that would be a link to a clip from speed if i could find it on youtube] if burning down the world is what it takes to awaken people to the necessity of actually challenging capital then so be it. if the democratic party and its backers and voter base didn't want barbarism they should have considered socialism as a serious possibility worth fighting for. i could write some stupid tumblresque laundry list of privileges i lack. i do not expect the trump presidency to go well for me. i do not regret a thing. these are interesting times.
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The world isn't going to burn, but it's about to get a whole lot worse for almost everybody. We need as many people as possible to make a commitment to direct action socialism. They don't even really have to believe in it, we just have to show that it works. We've all lived too long under conditions of radical social alienation from our own neighbors because the capitalist system likes it that way, and pushes those trends. We have to form real links between people and their communities instead of leaving them to relative isolation.
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I unironically listened to the communist manifesto on the way home for the first time and  It's disturbing how easily and how well it explains the current situation lol.
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I guess the Internet Twitter Marxist crowd sold it to me as a tortured book of historical but no political interest because that sort of person is just as out of touch as this elections woke Twitter tech worker type of democrat. But jeez it's hard to watch automation and the drive for new markets crushing the American working class and not think Karl Marx was dead right
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Link? I don't have it in me tonight, but I'll hang sometime. http://www.psp-tv.com/r/NiteCrew have some fun, kick it, just relax I missed out on the Fifth Element because we're out of B-movies, so give a suggestion!
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whenever people talk about robots replacing workers and wonder what it means, i point out to them that it's called "the industrial revolution" and we know what it means
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Weeping Wound posted:http://www.psp-tv.com/r/NiteCrew The Purge: Election Day
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Larry Parrish posted:But jeez it's hard to watch automation and the drive for new markets crushing the American working class and not think Karl Marx was dead right Yep, he's still as profound as he was 150 years ago. When I hear some people (a lot, including leftists) say that the proletariat is an outdated idea I just think about the globalized 3rd world, or the vast swaths of de-industrialized first world cities and wonder how they conceivably came to that conclusion.
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It's not like people just gave up proletarian identity, it was loving beaten out of them and then salved with junk.
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Homework Explainer posted:cannot repeat enough: hillary clinton, knowing she'd lost to donald trump and her supporters were tear-streaked and fearing for their futures, chose a literal lobbyist to tell them to go home lol
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why is it so hard to find a dem worth voting for, especially on the state governor level
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Peel posted:ur redtext is pretty good right now tell me more about how feminist a platform of imperialist exploitation and murder of women is
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Larry Parrish posted:I guess the Internet Twitter Marxist crowd sold it to me as a tortured book of historical but no political interest because that sort of person is just as out of touch as this elections woke Twitter tech worker type of democrat. Deimus posted:Yep, he's still as profound as he was 150 years ago. yess, have said it before, but the scientific concept of the proletariat is about your relationship to the means of production, not some vague assumption that you need to work in a factory making steel to be proletarian. ITs a great tell that the person you're talking to has no clue what they are talking about when this comes out, even funnier from someone who claims to be a "marxist" or w/evs
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HorseLord posted:tell me more about how feminist a platform of imperialist exploitation and murder of women is i have no idea what you're referring to or what argument you got it from i just thought it was funny that a guy said you were so crazy you might as well be trump!! and now trump is going to be president
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The world isn't going to burn, but it's about to get a whole lot worse for almost everybody. We need as many people as possible to make a commitment to direct action socialism. They don't even really have to believe in it, we just have to show that it works. We've all lived too long under conditions of radical social alienation from our own neighbors because the capitalist system likes it that way, and pushes those trends. We have to form real links between people and their communities instead of leaving them to relative isolation. the world is, and has always been, on fire. you have a group of people who know (from their experience, or from their parents or grandparents experience) what life was like after the benefit of 150 years of labor struggle, and what life is like now after globalization has killed the fruit of that struggle on the vine, and they just ripped off the bandaid of left-neoliberalism in defiance of the political establishment's complete inability to restore that life. if your vanguard cannot attain solidarity with them, with the people who looked at the status quo and thought "yeah, we've got nothing left to lose, even chaos is preferable to this", then what use is it? why is it protesting against them under the assumption that crude, uppity straight white men must be incipient nazis, rather than joining with them in celebration of the possibility of radical change? (the change, obviously, not coming from trump's government, which will be loving horrible, but from the movement they just committed themselves to and which your organization supposedly exists to shepherd). why foreclose the possibility of taking trump's followers away from him and offering them a stake in building something real rather than a white supremacist fantasy? why is the priority to protect the world from them, rather than to help them truly seize the world properly, for the benefit of everyone? idk im just some idiot. hail gloria hail satan.
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deadgoon posted:idk im just some idiot. hail gloria hail satan. Yeah I've got no clue what you're getting out. You pretty much just outlined the communist agenda, lol.
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my controversial thesis is that donald j trump of all people just radicalized millions of americans with the lazy-hazy platform of "left-liberalism will never work, gently caress it, let's be sort-of-fascist", and that this is an opportunity to turn those very same people around to "gently caress it, let's be communist", but instead of doing that everyone is gearing up to bash the fasc, because white supremacists are irredeemable monsters with incomprehensibly terrifying hearts rather than stupid assholes who might stop being stupid assholes if confronted with an authentic leap of faith commensurate with the one they just took. in the worst case such a leap might get you murdered by a racist, but that has always been a risk in these united states, and it's never been a valid excuse for retreating into liberalism. i have very little faith in american ML parties if they cannot even connect with people who are so easily enthused and desperate for change that they thought DJT would help them.
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there's a big difference between ideological enemies (fash) and rubes who voted one way or another. of course there's even more rubes who voted for Clinton (winner of popular vote) and even more than that who didn't - or couldn't - vote for anyone (large majority of people living in this country) Also re the class composition of the 2016 electorate, Trump voters are quite wealthier than Clinton voters -- Clinton lost because working people stayed home more than they decided to maga DOCTOR ZIMBARDO fucked around with this message at 15:40 on Nov 12, 2016 |
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deadgoon posted:i have very little faith in american ML parties if they cannot even connect with people who are so easily enthused and desperate for change that they thought DJT would help them. For ML parties to actually connect with people they need labor and resources. There's going to be way more interest in socialist and communist parties now.
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welcome aboard papa francesco http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/The-Pope-Hails-Communism-for-Focus-on-Poor-and-Marginalized-20161111-0017.html quote:Pope Francis has been celebrated for his efforts to reorient the Catholic Church into one at the service of the poor, but for this he has also been vilified as a wolf in sheep's clothing, a closet Marxist.
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Homework Explainer posted:welcome aboard papa francesco how has he not been assassinated yet?
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deadgoon posted:my controversial thesis is that donald j trump of all people just radicalized millions of americans with the lazy-hazy platform of "left-liberalism will never work, gently caress it, let's be sort-of-fascist", and that this is an opportunity to turn those very same people around to "gently caress it, let's be communist", but instead of doing that everyone is gearing up to bash the fasc, because white supremacy Well that's the thing, most of these people aren't racist, even more of them didn't vote. Capitalism hosed so many people over and they're angry, most of them simply feel disenfranchised and that's because they are. Sure our liberties in the political sphere include everyone's suffrage, but in public sphere people simply do not have the material ability or ambition to exercise these liberties. The poor and the working classes are stressed out about debts, second or third jobs, no job, not to mention the vast historical reasons that minorities also feel disenfranchised. The system is working with or without them, with the wealth being concentrated into fewer and fewer hands either way. Trump just brings up scapegoats for these problems but at least he brought up 'something' to these people, and well he's weird, dumb and orange. Something like 47% of people didn't vote at all, that should tell everyone more about liberal politics and democracy than a Trump win. Deimus fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Nov 12, 2016 |
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