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Exactly. FP is messy, ugly, outside of war or disaster not on anyone's priority list, and just generally bad. It's also entirely the purview of the President. So until we start looking at candidates, not much point discussing it aside to put a pin in "maybe not pick anyone who agrees with loving Kissinger." MicronAle posted:I think Trump will make a deal with Putin and Assad. America will recognize Crimea as Russian territory and Russia/Syria will recognize the Golan Heights as Israeli. You think we'll get anything for ending the Crimea-inspired sanctions outside of a photo op? Optimist! It'll be the Best Deal though, you'll see.
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i was curious on how flint michigan voted since it's kind of the prime example of rust belt deindustralization so i looked up the numbersquote:Michigan 2016 i then realized i had never seen what it looks like now so i watched this video of a guy driving through his old neighborhood. it's unrecognizable from his childhood back in 2002. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKQSPJWK5w0 this whole thing is depressing
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People don't usually make political decisions based on singular factors unless they're single issue voters. It's always a combination of issues that inform their decisions. I was never really a Bernie or Buster, but I didn't see much point in voting for Clinton. Arkansas isn't a swing state, and Clinton has an awful foreign policy coupled with a shallow commitment to domestic issues. Why bother? I voted for Evan McMullin because there weren't any socialists on the ballot. I could just as well not have voted at all. A thought, I'm sure, plenty of people had in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.
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Nov 12, 2016 07:18
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It's almost like when both parties fail you, you probably just won't vote since it doesn't seem to change anything This is why if we fail to revitalize the DNC under a true Left ideology and mission, we must break ties and force concession through political and popular movement
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Nov 12, 2016 07:19
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You can say all you like about how a particular issue doesn't resonate with the "average voter," but the average voter didn't decide this election. A minority of people who didn't turn out did. PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T VOTE DECIDED THE ELECTION.
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Nov 12, 2016 07:20
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:You can say all you like about how a particular issue doesn't resonate with the "average voter," but the average voter didn't decide this election. A minority of people who didn't turn out did. PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T VOTE DECIDED THE ELECTION. 
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Nov 12, 2016 07:21
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Larry Parrish posted:The average citizen does not care about foreign wars except that they seem to consume resources many feel would be better spent domestically. I think people saw the bloodlust after 9/11 that led to Iraq and assumed that was the default mode. A lot of people honestly thought that was all just responding to an attack on America, it's not the same thing as being in favor of interventions in general.
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Nov 12, 2016 07:24
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Zikan posted:i was curious on how flint michigan voted since it's kind of the prime example of rust belt deindustralization so i looked up the numbers I thought that Snyder ruined the GOP in Michigan for generations but Flint and Detroit have had dem leadership for ages and that hasn't done poo poo for them. When I told my Detroit students to vote, a lot of them said they didn't like either candidate and one asked on Thursday "Why don't they give us anybody who cares about us?" The great thing is that almost every single one of my students is a person of color, but the dems were certain that black folks loved them some Abuela!
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Nov 12, 2016 07:28
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:You can say all you like about how a particular issue doesn't resonate with the "average voter," but the average voter didn't decide this election. A minority of people who didn't turn out did. PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T VOTE DECIDED THE ELECTION. nice meltdown besides, hillary had some pretty high unfavorables, as well as trump. people were reluctant about this election
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Lastgirl posted:nice meltdown Pretty much everybody I ran into, here in Texas, was disgusted with both candidates or the race in general, and were appalled at Trump but nobody really had enthusiasm for Hillary. People had more interest in Trump crashing and burning during the primaries. Once he clinched it, the country was his.
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Nov 12, 2016 07:32
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I remember when there was this little voice in my head that said "Remember Kerry? You can't win based purely on fear of the other guy!" But then the louder voice in my head said "But this is different because it's Trump and he is far scarier than Bush was." But then an even louder voice in my head said "LOL ED BALLS NOTHING MATTERS DEATH IS CERTAIN LOL BUSTIN MAKES ME FEEL GOOD" and that was the voice I listened to. I have regrets.
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Nov 12, 2016 07:37
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Dem Autopsy Verdict #42069: making extremely tortured cultural analogies and metaphors was nerdy as Hell, and extremely alienating to anyone who doesn't participate in pop culture. It didn't actually make any of the points those writers were trying to make more sensible, it just felt like they were talking down to people on the assumption that they can't understand simple language without comparing it to dragon show, or robot western, or nerd wizard. Omg. No not all Clinton voters loved Hamilton and what's wrong with memeing Clinton when Bernie memes reigned supreme on the Internet as did Trump memes. Stop taking this as an opportunity to string up Clinton supporters. After all they are the ones who did not vote for the orange cheeto idiocracy president.
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Princess Di posted:Omg. Nothing wrong with memeing a candidate but the memes shouldn't be so try-hard. 
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Princess Di posted:Omg. I'm not implying that there was any sort of malice here, but the alienating nature of the way liberal writers approached politics and culture could have had an affect on which side people identified with. I used to just make fun of this kind of behavior, but it was so ubiquitous it may have actually had a non-negligible influence. I'm not singling out Clinton supporters at all, just a particular class of people who related incredibly serious issues to pop culture nonsense. The real core of the problem is that it's infantile behavior, coming from people who act like they're the only adults in the room.
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Nov 12, 2016 07:43
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Remember when a bunch of liberals came together and decided the way to fix the educational inequality in poor and minority neighborhoods was to raise money to send some kids to see Hamilton?
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Neeksy posted:Remember when a bunch of liberals came together and decided the way to fix the educational inequality in poor and minority neighborhoods was to raise money to send some kids to see Hamilton? I do now, thanks. 
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Nov 12, 2016 07:48
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Princess Di posted:Omg. Memes spring from shitposts, not focus groups.
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Nov 12, 2016 07:49
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Princess Di posted:Omg. Yeah sorry but in the pecking order of memes it was Bernie Trump Jebuela Even her memes were low energy!
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Nov 12, 2016 07:50
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What the gently caress is going on with the vein in that dude's arm?
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Nov 12, 2016 07:51
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Fidel Castronaut posted:Nothing wrong with memeing a candidate but the memes shouldn't be so try-hard. They spent money on a golden snitch prop, but couldn't get the glasses right. Sad!
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Nov 12, 2016 07:52
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Hamilton was fine for what it was: an entertaining broadway play with a few good songs (sorry but Look Around and most of the Schuyler sisters stuff was great) but  at anyone who tried to use it as more than that. Boy howdy I really understand the French Revolution after seeing Le Mis!
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Thoguh posted:What the gently caress is going on with the vein in that dude's arm? Did some I'm with HERoin.
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Nov 12, 2016 07:54
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I do now, thanks. Thank goodness someone finally broke through to those kids by making the history of an old white guy relatable using their hippity-rap-music! My name's Ben Franklin And I'm here to say The bifocal lens is wicked cool in a major way!
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Nov 12, 2016 07:55
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Trump winning makes me want to do something. One of my newly elected state reps from my town is likely to go down due to welfare fraud. I'd love to help get a Democrat to replace him, but Democrats never ever win this ruby red part of the state. (The man who topped the 9 slot ticket has an awful attendance record due to being sick, but can still fly to Thailand to marry his mail order bride.) I swing between just throwing my hat into the race as a Republican or just despairing. The Democrats crossing over to vote for me would put me over the top the general. *Sigh* 
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OhFunny posted:Trump winning makes me want to do something. do it. experience, it seems, is not a requirement just an effective message
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Neeksy posted:Remember when a bunch of liberals came together and decided the way to fix the educational inequality in poor and minority neighborhoods was to raise money to send some kids to see Hamilton? wtf is up with liberals and Hamilton?
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resar posted:wtf is up with liberals and Hamilton? Virtue signaling + nerd poo poo consumerism
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Neeksy posted:Remember when a bunch of liberals came together and decided the way to fix the educational inequality in poor and minority neighborhoods was to raise money to send some kids to see Hamilton? wait what i thought this was a joke, because of course just look at it, but people are replying like it's real http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hamilton-musical-eduham-porgram-expanding_us_576c29c0e4b0aa4dc3d4c7b5 oh my loving god
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I think it's more nerd poo poo consumerism, because Hillary commented on Pokemon Go and compared Trump's hair to loving Dairy Queen ice-cream. Trump's fastfood tweets. Everything was branded.
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resar posted:wtf is up with liberals and Hamilton? 1. It's theater, and that is where smart people go for culture and liberals are very smart 2. It's about American exceptionalism but in a cool way that isn't like those conservatives talk about American exceptionalism. 3. They use the negro medium of "rapping" to tell American history, which is evidence that the rapper, who usually speaks only about guns and sex, can be redeemed. 4. The people of color are all light-skinned, which is less harsh on the eyes. The notable exception being Aaron Burr, but he is bad.
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because lin-manuel miranda can write a decent verse but he's also the ur-city liberal https://twitter.com/Lin_Manuel/status/796359221063323648
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Neeksy posted:Thank goodness someone finally broke through to those kids by making the history of an old white guy relatable using their hippity-rap-music! Yo! My name is Thomas Jefferson and I'm a- CHOCOLATE LOVER Muh Sally is my pally equal to- NO OTHER But not whites.
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Nonsense posted:I think it's more nerd poo poo consumerism, because Hillary commented on Pokemon Go and compared Trump's hair to loving Dairy Queen ice-cream. Trump's fastfood tweets. Everything was branded. When did we all become that loving lady from Network? I say that ironically, because by referencing the narrative of the lady from Network, you become the lady from Network.
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Nov 12, 2016 08:11
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Fidel Castronaut posted:1. It's theater, and that is where smart people go for culture and liberals are very smart Casting a mixed race ensemble to play slaveowners was remarkably tone deaf for a musical.
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Sojenus posted:wait what i thought this was a joke, because of course just look at it, but people are replying like it's real Hamilton is just *sniff, wipes away tear* so important. These kids will remember this moment for the rest of their lives if not for all the lead in their brains that affected their ability to remember things.
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Pick posted:When did we all become that loving lady from Network? Whatever you do don't start thinking about a major shareholder in Fox News being a Saudi prince, or all the Arab states that contributed to the Clinton Foundation! AAAAH! WE'RE LIVING IN A 70's DYSTOPIA!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDXTEtZ-G2o
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Neeksy posted:Hamilton is just *sniff, wipes away tear* so important. These kids will remember this moment for the rest of their lives if not for all the lead in their brains that affected their ability to remember things. I said the exact same thing about Book of Mormon. 
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Fidel Castronaut posted:" The great thing is that almost every single one of my students is a person of color, but the dems were certain that black folks loved them some Abuela! Did Hillary do a single thing regarding BLM outside of the DNC Convention?
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Of course, the whole message of Network was that it doesn't matter who owns what, because capitalism acts according to its own alien logic regardless of nationality. But that's not what the general public in the film ever hears.
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Deki posted:Did Hillary do a single thing regarding anyone outside the bourgeoise besides barely relatable Twitter memes?
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