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ikanreed posted:Chances Milo gets a job in the white house are too drat high. Like Pence would ever allow a gay anywhere near him let alone working with him
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InediblePenguin posted:weirdly we were also at war with Germany and my German-speaking Pennsylvanian great-grandparents were not rounded up into camps by WW2 German people were pretty much assimilated, but they had a hard time of it during WW1. they did get arrested and imprisoned, not on the level of the Japanese, but it did happen. liberty cabbage, the precursor to freedom fries.
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ate all the Oreos posted:Like Pence would ever allow a gay anywhere near him let alone working with him Pence will be working in the Johnson building across the street from the white house. But it would do my heart good to see the neo fascists turn on each other immediately like that.
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uber_stoat posted:by WW2 German people were pretty much assimilated, but they had a hard time of it during WW1. they did get arrested and imprisoned, not on the level of the Japanese, but it did happen. 
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uber_stoat posted:looking forward to their dismay and disappointment when Trump ends up governing like your bog-standard lovely right wing republican, just more vocally racist. Right. With like... a physical monument to his failure in the form of a sad, droopy "wall" that spans about 2 miles in the middle of nowhere.
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ikanreed posted:Chances Milo gets a job in the white house are too drat high. Wonder what the odds are for Milo becoming press secretary. Could you imagine? 
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uber_stoat posted:by WW2 German people were pretty much assimilated, but they had a hard time of it during WW1. they did get arrested and imprisoned, not on the level of the Japanese, but it did happen. Yeah, the family lore documents this. Of course, "assimilated" is of questionable application for a German-speaking enclave that had continued to speak German for generations after landing in the US (my family aren't Amish but were in a Pennsylvania Dutch enclave where the main home language was German until my dad's mom married an "Englishman" ...born and raised in the next town over, but not German-speaking). Still got treated better, in both wars, than Japanese-descended people were in the second; still a counterpoint to arguments that "Japanese internment was justified because when you're at war with a nation you're at war with a nationality" InediblePenguin has a new favorite as of 01:48 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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InediblePenguin posted:Yeah, the family lore documents this. Of course, "assimilated" is of questionable application for a German-speaking enclave that had continued to speak German for generations after landing in the US (my family aren't Amish but were in a Pennsylvania Dutch enclave where the main home language was German until my dad's mom married an "Englishman" ...born and raised in the next town over, but not German-speaking). Still got treated better, in both wars, than Japanese-descended people were in the second; still a counterpoint to arguments that "Japanese internment was justified because when you're at war with a nation you're at war with a nationality" ah, well, Pennsylvania Dutch would be a special case thing. I guess an insular group like that might be shielded from some of the nastiness that a german immigrant in a big city would be subjected to.
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listen I'm not trying to discount the personal experiences of racism suffered by German immigrants during World War One but I don't see what their experiences can add to the topic of whether Japanese internment was justified because governmental internment of an entire nationality is a right and natural response to being at war with a country
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I mean my actual counter to that stupid Japanese internment camp thing was "if that were true we would have just gone on to completely exterminate them" and then talked about how actually my grandpa and much of my family on my mom's side was part of the pacific campaign and while they certainly were a bunch of old man racists none of them wanted to exterminate the entire Japanese race and they didn't hold random civilians accountable for the actions of the military like he seems to think everyone in the US did at the time. At about this point he waffled a bit, having never really thought this far into the topic I guess, and changed the subject
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InediblePenguin posted:listen I'm not trying to discount the personal experiences of racism suffered by German immigrants during World War One but I don't see what their experiences can add to the topic of whether Japanese internment was justified because governmental internment of an entire nationality is a right and natural response to being at war with a country uber_stoat is, you may have noticed, extremely thick.
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ikanreed posted:Chances Milo gets a job in the white house are too drat high.
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ikanreed posted:Chances Milo gets a job in the white house are too drat high. He'll become Pence's vocal and willing proof that you can pray the gay away, an icon for the ages.
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Hey, I know the main theme of this thread is to point and laugh, but I feel the need to say this: I really can't point and laugh anymore. These people are awful shitheads, and they won. They won this Tuesday. And some of these shitheads are antisemitic. I'm Jewish, and I'm facing the fact that a contingent of people who don't wish for me to exist have been affirmed and empowered. I wear a Star of David necklace, and now I am forced to wonder if somewhere in the next four years that's going to get me hurt. Paranoid fantasy? Four years ago, would any of you believed that a man like Donald Trump could become president on the backs of people mocked in this thread? That said man has antisemites on his payroll and had speeches filled with ideas lifted straight from antisemitic tracts? I am so loving scared right now. Because when this kind of poo poo happens, when angry right wingers gain power, Jews are always one of their first targets in Western countries. Always. So I'm begging you all, please don't just point and laugh in this thread. Speak out against this stuff in real life. Because there aren't enough Jews to protect ourselves. If a large contingent of this country turns on us, we are dead. Perhaps literally. So we need non-Jewish people to help out. Please don't let these people get even more powerful. Please.
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MrRoivas posted:Hey, I know the main theme of this thread is to point and laugh, but I feel the need to say this: I know. I'll try to speak out against this publicly. I'll contact my representatives and ask if they could do something to prevent or at least mitigate the amount of hate crimes that are sure to follow. I'm sorry that it sounds so weak and hollow, I really don't know what else to do. Annointed has a new favorite as of 07:33 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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My alt-right friend listens to the Right Stuff podcast. The name of this podcast is "The Daily Shoah." He doesn't get why I find this terrifying. His attitude seems to be "well, sure, they're crazy when it comes to Jews, but some of their other points are interesting, so what's the problem? It's not like *I* hate Jews." If I didn't make this clear, I'm (ethnically) Jewish and most of my grandpa's family died in the actual Shoah.
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pookel posted:My alt-right friend listens to the Right Stuff podcast. The name of this podcast is "The Daily Shoah." He doesn't get why I find this terrifying. His attitude seems to be "well, sure, they're crazy when it comes to Jews, but some of their other points are interesting, so what's the problem? It's not like *I* hate Jews."  I'm all for trying to reach out to some of the people who voted for Trump, but people like that can gently caress off.
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pookel posted:My alt-right friend listens to the Right Stuff podcast. The name of this podcast is "The Daily Shoah." He doesn't get why I find this terrifying. His attitude seems to be "well, sure, they're crazy when it comes to Jews, but some of their other points are interesting, so what's the problem? It's not like *I* hate Jews." A friend who lacks the bare minimum empathy to appreciate why you find that horrifying is not your friend. With everything else going on right now, you don't need that poo poo in your life. For what little comfort it is, know that there are plenty of people out there who won't abandon you. A majority of the electorate looked at what Trump represents and told him to get hosed. That majority may not have lived in the right magic states to make a difference, but we're not going away, and we're not going to let the nazi fucks win. This last week has awoken me to some very sad realities about our country, but I still want to believe we're more Denmark than Romania.
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Silver2195 posted:
They're the same loving people. Let's be honest.
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pookel posted:His attitude seems to be "well, sure, they're crazy when it comes to Jews, but some of their other points are interesting, so what's the problem? It's not like *I* hate Jews." Did you know that Hitler had some good ideas too?? Really makes u think.
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ikanreed posted:They're the same loving people. Let's be honest. Nah, a bunch of Trump voters' racism stems from being angry, poor, uneducated, and isolated enough that they latch on to the first explanation for their pain that's offered to them (which just so happens to be insane racism). We're looking at the savvier, more educated breed of Trumpist here - which I recognise is damning with fault praise. They really are the white-supremacist equivalent of suburban suicide bombers.
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ate all the Oreos posted:Did you know that Hitler had some good ideas too?? Really makes u think. Say what you like about the Fuhrer but he did kill Hitler, which is probably the main thing he got right.
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Silver2195 posted:
I grew up with that way of thinking, so I get it. It's wrong, but I remember what it was like to believe some of the same sorts of things. So I don't cut people off. I just keep arguing with them.
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pookel posted:If I cut ties with everyone like that, I'd have to stop speaking to my dad, too. And yes, that's the Jewish side of the family, and no, he doesn't take any of Trump's anti-Semitic fanbase seriously. To a point, sure (I disagree with a fair amount of my mother's political views, for example), but you have to draw the line somewhere.
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Darth Walrus posted:Nah, a bunch of Trump voters' racism stems from being angry, poor, uneducated, and isolated enough that they latch on to the first explanation for their pain that's offered to them (which just so happens to be insane racism). Nah, gently caress that for an excuse. I made the mistake of looking at Facebook and seeing this particular excuse for out-and-out-racism trotted out again: so again, speaking as someone white from a working class background, gently caress that. Just as Brexit racists aren't some sort of authentic werkin class expression, they're racist fuckheads, Trump voters aren't some sort of authentic werkin class expression, they're racist fuckheads. Perhaps you could look into their souls with a soul spectrometer and say "in their heart of hearts they are not racist per this convenient definition that makes my claim correct", but they knowingly chose Trump and everything that Trump is, and that's certainly enough to label them as functionally racist for literally any practical purpose, predict functionally racist behaviour from them in the future and, dare I say it, condemn them as racists. So I am strongly disinclined to put up with this particular line of bullshit excuse for a microsecond. They're loving racist shitheads. Class is not actually an excuse.
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Yeah looking at the post election numbers the Republicans didn't actually experience a very big jump in voters. The issue was that liberals by and large did not vote this election. All of the flipped states had massive drop off of Democrat voters. Some of them are likely the result of voter ID laws, but just as many in places without new voter ID laws just appear to be a case of Hillary being that unlikeable to most Democrats.
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divabot posted:Nah, gently caress that for an excuse. I made the mistake of looking at Facebook and seeing this particular excuse for out-and-out-racism trotted out again: so again, speaking as someone white from a working class background, gently caress that. Just as Brexit racists aren't some sort of authentic werkin class expression, they're racist fuckheads, Trump voters aren't some sort of authentic werkin class expression, they're racist fuckheads. Perhaps you could look into their souls with a soul spectrometer and say "in their heart of hearts they are not racist per this convenient definition that makes my claim correct", but they knowingly chose Trump and everything that Trump is, and that's certainly enough to label them as functionally racist for literally any practical purpose, predict functionally racist behaviour from them in the future and, dare I say it, condemn them as racists. So I am strongly disinclined to put up with this particular line of bullshit excuse for a microsecond. They're loving racist shitheads. Class is not actually an excuse. It's not about excuses. It's about understanding what makes people vulnerable to going Nazi, the particular frustrations that were tapped into to make them go 'actually, black people are to blame'. That can very much very according to your place in society. Peter Thiel, for instance, probably isn't angry at Muslim immigrants because he's been told he's unemployed because they took his job. Terrible Opinions posted:Yeah looking at the post election numbers the Republicans didn't actually experience a very big jump in voters, 5% at the very most. The issue was that liberals by and large did not vote this election. All of the flipped states had massive drop off of Democrat voters. Some of them are likely the result of voter ID laws, but just as many in places without new voter ID laws just appear to be a case of Hillary being that unlikeable to most Democrats. There was also a shift within the electorate that can't be entirely explained away by falling numbers, though. Trump netted a higher percentage of poor voters and a lower percentage of rich voters. Losing rich voters by a considerable percentage does imply that he had to have a small uptick in poor voters to stay at the same numbers (there's more poor voters, but the upper income brackets aren't small in numbers enough that any shift in their voting preferences would be invisible), and even if the shift in low-income votes was simply a result of voter apathy, that still means that a large amount of poor voters were chill enough about open white supremacy to peace out and not vote either way.
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Except we can explain it via voter apathy. Millions fewer people voted in this election, most of them of the poorest income brackets and almost all of those democrat. So of course Trump is going to get a higher percentage of the poor vote if his opposition's poor supporters aren't voting. That's how percentages work.
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Terrible Opinions posted:Except we can explain it via voter apathy. Millions fewer people voted in this election, most of them of the poorest income brackets and almost all of those democrat. So of course Trump is going to get a higher percentage of the poor vote if his opposition's poor supporters aren't voting. That's how percentages work. It wasn't just voter apathy, it was voter suppression in some states. E: As for Evangelicals 
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Terrible Opinions posted:Except we can explain it via voter apathy. Millions fewer people voted in this election, most of them of the poorest income brackets and almost all of those democrat. So of course Trump is going to get a higher percentage of the poor vote if his opposition's poor supporters aren't voting. That's how percentages work. Read the last section of my post again.
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Improbable Lobster posted:Don't forget that this was the first election without the voter rights act and there was some extreme voter suppression going on Very true, though that doesn't, to the best of my recollection, include the rust belt states that Trump flipped. Could be wrong about that, but it's those, rather than states like North Carolina, that were at the core of the 'it's about economics' argument.
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