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OhFunny posted:I suppose the left could adopt the conservative attack line that the media are dishonest liars? I'd like to think the media has discredited itself pretty badly this election. Any Democrat or leftist paying attention has a lot of reasons to feel that the election was cheated via coddling of Trump and his various bigotries combined with "Sanders is a commie who'll steal all your money" nonsense from certain outlets in the primary. Lots of serious people type white pundits coming out to tell everyone to be respectful of Trump and to ignore the racism during and after the election isn't going to help much either. They are going to be stuck appealing to the mushy center even more once everyone on both sides abandons them which means more fluff trash wherever that leads us.
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Josef bugman posted:Probably, we can only hope. I mean, I'd be pissed off if my Maverick, Washington Outsider, was bringing nothing but establishment shills and lobbyists aboard, and praising both HRC and Obama.
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It really depends on how into the identity war culture of Trump they are. I bet a lot of people voted for him sincerely thinking he would help out (while actively ignoring his racist stuff) and as a gently caress you to establishment on both sides so they might be get angry when they figure out they've been totally duped. It's also possible that they will just think that whatever he does is great because they are programmed to do so, so who knows yet.
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Non Serviam posted:I mean, I'd be pissed off if my Maverick, Washington Outsider, was bringing nothing but establishment shills and lobbyists aboard, and praising both HRC and Obama. He hasn't even been sworn in yet, wait for the inevitable policies before we start trying to tug at threads. People are trying to grab anything they can to pretend that things are normal and ok and everything will be the same.
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Lid posted:He hasn't even been sworn in yet, wait for the inevitable policies before we start trying to tug at threads. People are trying to grab anything they can to pretend that things are normal and ok and everything will be the same. What would you prefer, despair? Despondancy? People throwing themselves under trains and cars?
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Lid posted:He hasn't even been sworn in yet, wait for the inevitable policies before we start trying to tug at threads. People are trying to grab anything they can to pretend that things are normal and ok and everything will be the same. I don't think he'll be a good president. In fact, he'll have a presidency that will not please anyone. His base will be pissed by the lack of a wall and the fact that Hillary isn't in front of a firing squad, Democrats will oppose his traditional Republican policies.
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Non Serviam posted:I don't think he'll be a good president. In fact, he'll have a presidency that will not please anyone. His base will be pissed by the lack of a wall and the fact that Hillary isn't in front of a firing squad, Democrats will oppose his traditional Republican policies.
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Kilroy posted:Hillary will be further investigated and probably at least indicted, and we're building the wall. It'll be a lovely wall that does nothing except cost money, but we're building it. Several people were already mocking the idea of a wall in their area. Even Republicans aren't too keen on building the drat thing.
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Josef bugman posted:Several people were already mocking the idea of a wall in their area. Even Republicans aren't too keen on building the drat thing. Its jobs
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Lid posted:Its jobs So the Republicans are going to be against it. It's government jobs, the worst thing ever.
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Josef bugman posted:Probably, we can only hope. All signs point to... DOUBTFUL. Trump and his base are very similar. Any promise he doesn't keep will be spun into, "well he's just compromising and listening to people and doing things the best way!" or "Oh wow did you actually take that proposal seriously, lol, he was just trolling wow you're stupid for not being able to tell." He's 4chan the candidate. He's gonna be loving horrible then when called on it is going to try to claim he was kidding and "wow, couldn't you tell? <rollerblades away> <punches pregnant woman in the uterus while signing a 20 week abortion ban that starts the clock from the date of the woman's first period>" Also remember that the people in congress are still largely the people who were already being demonized by the GOP base. Anything bad that happens is going to be Paul Ryan's fault. Anything good that happens is going to be cited as evidence Trump is actually a good president. ErIog fucked around with this message at 14:26 on Nov 12, 2016 |
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You think that they are going to dig in their heels over a policy to support the blue collar working class builders? They can pick a battle, but the one thing no one in the current environment is going to have the political will to oppose is anything that will look good to the rust belt. They just became the king makers (arguably not literally, but image goes a long way and they hold the cards due to perception and the narrative).
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Lid posted:You think that they are going to dig in their heels over a policy to support the blue collar working class builders? They can pick a battle, but the one thing no one in the current environment is going to have the political will to oppose is anything that will look good to the rust belt. They just became the king makers (arguably not literally, but image goes a long way and they hold the cards due to perception and the narrative). Why would Trump supporters start suddenly caring about policy? These are the same idiots who thought it was plausible Obama wasn't a "natural born citizen," who claimed Hillary was going to collapse any moment from aidsmonia. If any Trump policy gets through and doesn't work or has negative consequences then they will 100% blame the house since Trump is never going to give anything more than vague instructions about what he wants done so they'll blame whoever drew the short straw and had to actually write how a Trump policy was going to work. So it doesn't matter if they stonewall Trump or not. Good thing happens = Daddy made it happen. Bad thing happens = gently caress Paul Ryan. These are people who blame Boehner and Ryan for not repealing Obamacare when they had neither the votes nor anyone in the white house that would sign the bill. They're complete loving rubes when it comes to actual policy. The one thing they will be bitter about that will probably lose Trump re-election is that culture isn't going to change one iota. A lot of attention is going to be paid to hate crimes. Gay people will still be on TV. BET will still exist. Watch what happens with this "blind trust," poo poo they're pulling. Remember Hillary was satan because she bent a rule about e-mail. Trump probably isn't breaking the law with this "blind trust," gambit, but the refrain from Trumpites is going to be, "Well he didn't break the law! Hillary did!" ErIog fucked around with this message at 14:36 on Nov 12, 2016 |
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Non Serviam posted:Considering that Trump is back pedaling on a lot of issues, has there been any backlash from his base?
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Chomskyan posted:A cursory browsing of /pol/ shows they're convincing themselves it's all a lie invented by the media if trump actually does not destroy this country in a hitler-like fashion and tear down democracy, we stand to win big in 2018. we just have to rip out the useless democratic establishment and get dems with a spine in power
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Condiv posted:if trump actually does not destroy this country in a hitler-like fashion and tear down democracy, we stand to win big in 2018. we just have to rip out the useless democratic establishment and get dems with a spine in power Considering what a wake up call this appears to have been, and whilst of course hope is a lie, that may well be forthcoming.
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Josef bugman posted:Considering what a wake up call this appears to have been, and whilst of course hope is a lie, that may well be forthcoming.
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Josef bugman posted:Several people were already mocking the idea of a wall in their area. Even Republicans aren't too keen on building the drat thing. we're building the wall
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 http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5826579ee4b060adb56e8fbd?ncid=engmodushpmg00000004 Hahahaha these are the people that black liberals are defending while blaming Bernie supporters of ignoring poc. They are scared of leaving the liberal plantation e- I bring up black liberals because I've gotten into some heated discussions with friends over this and because Twitter is full of those same black liberals who refuse to see the signs that the DNC establishment is only really working for the benefit of well-to-do liberal white people. They only see PoC as votes they can get every 4 years. The Ol Spicy Keychain fucked around with this message at 15:40 on Nov 12, 2016 |
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Nov 12, 2016 15:10
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Kilroy posted:always take the autocrat seriously Wall is one of those things he actually literally can't do because it's nearly impossible. This isn't like a rubicon type deal like abortion or press access. It's not fiscally possible. Border is loving long. Materials cost a lot of money. Maintenance and enforcement costs a lot of money too. What he's going to end up doing is probably lengthening the existing border fences by some percentage that sounds good in a speech. He will then call that victory, and his supporters will say, "Gotta give it to the guy, he dreams big." This is a man who has very low standards for himself. Look at how he claimed victory with this meeting with the Mexican president during the campaign. Pretty much all other lovely authoritarian policies are probably doable, though. 
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Josef bugman posted:So the Republicans are going to be against it. It's government jobs, the worst thing ever. Maybe Donald can make it more palatable to Republicans. Make it a privately owned wall, let all entrances/exits at the border be a toll. You build a wall and own all land x miles from the wall, etc. Oh and by chance, his company and foreign friends use the program to get huge amounts of real estate. I am not worried about Donald deporting Muslims, building the wall, bringing back factory jobs, and whatever crazy BS he promised. Donald is going to do what he did with Trump University to the rest of America. Make promises of great change and opportunity, then proceed to gently caress everyone over to enrich himself. And do it with impunity because he is the president, which comes with power and immunity from lawsuits.
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I wouldn't be surprised if me made moves to build a wall, but at the end of the day just funnels a fuckton of money to give the "militia" and other psychopaths in the Texas border enforcement more power to be the legally sanctioned racist mass murderers and rapists that they are.
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readingatwork posted:The short version is that after the great depression in the 20's FDR came on the scene and did a bunch of awesome socialist poo poo called the New Deal. This breed of "New Deal" democrat was popular for decades and was characterized by an outlook very similar to Bernie Sanders. Now fast forward to the 90's where Bill Clinton learned that you can often win by abandoning your base and appealing to the center-right (which actually existed at the time) professional STEM major/management class. He did this with stuff like forcing welfare recipients to work or not receive pay, signing trade agreements that allowed for outsourcing, and doubling down on the drug war. This new corporate democrat became known as the "neoliberal" wing of the party and has acted as the leadership ever since. Neoliberal has become something of a bad word in the last 5 years or so as people start to realize that this compromise resulted in a party that stands for little outside of getting their donors more money and doesn't do well in elections since people generally would rather vote for a real Republican over a Republican-lite. Socialists derided the New Deal in largely the same terms that the internet left uses to describe neoliberalism today
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A candidate that can unite disaffected rust belt folks and young black people.. nah, i'm with the Annointed One.
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Why??? Why would you do this? Hispanic Americans were mentioned from day 1 of the election as a growing part of the electorate which has great potential for the Democratic party. Why hobble yourself like this? Jesus Christ.
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Really happy to see some print and TV media doing some self reflection that they are out of touch, and in fact working in opposition to so much of the country. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3uHOHMTqJ8 Maybe we can see a return to unbiased, Edward R Murrow journalism, even if the face of someone you consider a total moron. MattD1zzl3 fucked around with this message at 15:33 on Nov 12, 2016 |
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Barbe Rouge posted:Why??? Why would you do this? Hispanic Americans were mentioned from day 1 of the election as a growing part of the electorate which has great potential for the Democratic party. Why hobble yourself like this? Jesus Christ. But you see, Yaas Queen did the dab and had Beyonce dress up in a pant suit. It will forever be a mystery how those brave measures did not secure the vote.
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MattD1zzl3 posted:Really happy to see some print and TV media doing some self reflection that they are out of touch, and in fact working in opposition to so much of the country. Ha ha no that's unprofitable. They'll contemplate their navels then go right back to it.
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ErIog posted:Wall is one of those things he actually literally can't do because it's nearly impossible. This isn't like a rubicon type deal like abortion or press access. It's not fiscally possible. Border is loving long. Materials cost a lot of money. Maintenance and enforcement costs a lot of money too. No you could just put all the F-35 funding into wall-building and make America great again™.
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MiddleOne posted:No you could just put all the F-35 funding into wall-building and make America great again™. Guys.. what if.. cutting the military is a Nixon to China type deal and the only one who can finally get funding for the F35 pulled is Trump?
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Josef bugman posted:Considering what a wake up call this appears to have been, and whilst of course hope is a lie, that may well be forthcoming. Alan Grayson was one of the few with a backbone during Bush II and he's gone, so is Barney Frank (he of Dodd-Frank, which is likely to be repealed). We don't have a lot of people with balls left. If we could move forward with people like Tammy Duckworth, Elizabeth Warren, et al, maybe we could get some momentum going but that's going to be an uphill battle.
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ErIog posted:Guys.. what if.. cutting the military is a Nixon to China type deal and the only one who can finally get funding for the F35 pulled is Trump? America exists for the F-35, not the other way around.
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darth_pizza posted:Alan Grayson was one of the few with a backbone during Bush II and he's gone, so is Barney Frank (he of Dodd-Frank, which is likely to be repealed). We don't have a lot of people with balls left. Don't forget Harry Reid's retiring.
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speng31b posted:Don't forget Harry Reid's retiring. I did forget. Ah hell. And Ruth Bader-Ginsberg says she is too. OK, so maybe it's worse than I thought.
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darth_pizza posted:And Ruth Bader-Ginsberg says she is too. 
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ErIog posted:Guys.. what if.. cutting the military is a Nixon to China type deal and the only one who can finally get funding for the F35 pulled is Trump? If that happens I would find it the most hilarious loving thing.
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darth_pizza posted:And Ruth Bader-Ginsberg says she is too.
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