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You haven't lived unless you've been to Bastuträsk more than once. In regards to actual towns outside of Stockholm, Örebro is pretty nice. Only 2 hours away from the center of the Swediverse (Stockholm) and it has a big juicy castle smack down in the middle of town! Also, a really nice University (hence me living there atm).
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Uppsala is fine, if you didn't want to eat kebab anyway.
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Nov 10, 2016 17:26
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I live in sjukt lokal lokal-tv, it's great (really it is).
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Nov 10, 2016 17:29
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Uppsala is fine, if you didn't want to eat kebab anyway. NO KEBAB!??!?!?!?!?!? (Loads of FYR immigrants?)
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Nov 10, 2016 17:53
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Jerry Cotton posted:NO KEBAB!??!?!?!?!?!? (Loads of FYR immigrants?)
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Nov 10, 2016 18:06
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I like my kebab with fries, and macaroni salad
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Nov 10, 2016 18:16
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cinci zoo sniper posted:There is lots of irrationally bad kebab. Falafel situation is somewhat better, but if you want some meat in your poo poo, there's like a single place that can offer flatbread with anything but garbage. If I wan't some meat in my poo poo I'll just enlist  .
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Nov 10, 2016 18:17
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His Divine Shadow posted:I like my kebab with fries, and macaroni salad **Served relatively warm. ***Seasoned with the spicy mix and half a cup of mayo.
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Nov 10, 2016 18:18
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cinci zoo sniper posted:*The product may contain between dozen and two dozen jalapenos. Right, a true kebab
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Nov 10, 2016 18:24
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Grew up outside of Uppsala. Can confirm the claims re: kebab ITT. The situation is dire.
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Nov 10, 2016 18:27
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My prime mystery, at this point, as I've resigned understand the culinary performance art behind the affair, is why jalapenos are called feferoni in Swedish.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:My prime mystery, at this point, as I've resigned understand the culinary performance art behind the affair, is why jalapenos are called feferoni in Swedish. Why is semla called fralla 
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Nov 10, 2016 18:33
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cinci zoo sniper posted:My prime mystery, at this point, as I've resigned understand the culinary performance art behind the affair, is why jalapenos are called feferoni in Swedish. You mean? https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peperoni_(spanskpeppar) Pepperoncini in english.
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Nov 10, 2016 18:36
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His Divine Shadow posted:You mean?
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Nov 10, 2016 18:38
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Jerry Cotton posted:Why is semla called fralla It's not?
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Nov 10, 2016 19:26
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Cardiac posted:It's not? Finlandsvenskarna kallar frallor semlor, och semlor är fastlagsbullar
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Nov 10, 2016 19:42
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Skåningar kallar frallor för bullar. 
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Nov 10, 2016 20:44
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Svartvit posted:Skåningar kallar frallor för bullar. uppknullat om sant
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Nov 10, 2016 21:17
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Svartvit posted:Skåningar kallar frallor för bullar. Inte så ofta dock. Vi har bullar också. Fråga oss vad vi menar med ballar.
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Nov 10, 2016 21:50
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quote:How would a Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton election win impact Sweden’s relations with the USA?
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Fader Movitz posted:Finlandsvenskarna kallar frallor semlor, och semlor är fastlagsbullar Most Finnish Swedes call them sämpylä because they're only Swedish-speaking on paper 
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Grim. Sounds reasonable. Couple of "good" things about Trump winning: Defence/NATO might actually get higher priority now. S&M might realise that their current modus operandis is not the right way. We might get some good punk/rock songs.
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Nov 11, 2016 09:46
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Tinzorg (pbuh) on the US election and the western left (in Swedish) https://tinkzorg.wordpress.com/2016/11/10/ser-du-morkret-skorpan/
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Låter bra
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Jerry Cotton posted:Most Finnish Swedes call them sämpylä because they're only Swedish-speaking on paper Vitun hurrit! 
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Nov 11, 2016 15:06
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Norrlänningar kallar pannkakor för plättar.
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Plättar är ju bara pannkakor som krympt i tvätten. e: Sorry forgot this was scandipol and not skandinavientråden.
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TheFluff posted:I've been to about a dozen of these and agree with the recommendations in all cases. Can contribute Björneborg (in Värmland, not in Finnish Österbotten). Younger, I know of them, since my dog tag has länskod W engraved on it, coincidentally the only länskod i remember by heart. Otherwise haven't encountered länsbokstäver much at all, nothing I was taught in school. Falukorv fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Nov 12, 2016 |
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To what extent do you guys think the situation in the US politics can be compared to Swedish politics? The successes of a white nationalist party in the US has emboldened racist elements, people no longer feel the need to hide their terrible opinions. It has normalised racism in other words. One of the big arguments against voting against SD is just that, that xenophobia and racism would be normalized. However, whatever you might think of the party itself, I think that they did have some salient points regarding immigration and refugee politics. The politics of the GOP are more about FYGMism and pitting the white middle and lowerclass against minorities, and I feel that most republican voters vote the way they do because of either social issues (religion, gays) or FYGM. However a lot of people who vote for SD I feel do so because of a genuine frustration with the immigration/refugee situation, and by that I mean not so much that they dislike brown people, but that the burden they put on society and the social safety net will be too heavy. The people I know that voted SD did so for that reason at least. So in that sense I've had some tolerance and sympathy for SD and the people who vote for them because I don't believe they're racist (any more than the most of us, anyways) But my question I guess is: Am I deluding myself? I mean, even if these people vote SD with the best of intentions, doesn't this still support a racist, homophobic and misogynistic party? I know other parties have now changed their own immigration politics to reduce how many people we take in as a result, like S and M (I think) but people still support SD, I assume because they feel the other parties handled the situation poorly, and they simply don't trust their judgement anymore, and I get that. But isn't a vote for SD, even for the best of reasons, still a vote against the most marginalized people in society? If nothing else by normalizing hateful opinions against them? I used to think that the ostracism of SD voters was harsh, and that their opinions were legitimate and should be respected (assuming they didn't just hate foreigners). I now see white people in the US saying the same drat thing about Trump voters. "We should come together" "Respect their opinions" and all that crap, and I can't help but wonder: Is there a difference? If I lived in the US, would I be preaching about respecting the Trumpets opinions? Or am I comparing apples to orange fascists?
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McCloud posted:But my question I guess is: Am I deluding myself? Yes. The election was held in 2014, before the current refugee situation, so using that as an explanation or excuse for how you voted can't be done. It was always about not liking foreigners in general.
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You somewhat sound like the kind of an American who is now going on about the Clinton's election failure with "economic anxiety" and "should've not ostracised the rural vote", yes. A vote for SD supports the party and the politicians first and foremost, and only then their alleged policy goals. Hence, voting for them you implicitly reinforce their entire set of beliefs, and show by example that doing so is normal. The only reason SD is so popular right now is S/M's slow response to the immigration situation. People are not smart and will vote over a single issue, without bothering to think through such details as voting for someone who describes itself as "Sverigedemokraterna är ett socialkonservativt parti med nationalistisk grundsyn". Contacting your party to pressure them into a reassessment of situation is hard. You have to either write coherently, or organise a mass actions of sorts, or both. But it still is doable, so I can't find any high, or even middle, ground in enablement of a party that gets off jokes such as "There were so many Jews in Auschwitz because the train tickets were free".
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SD wins a lot on media working against them and every party refusing to work with them, and lo and behold the media was covering up sexual assaults done by refugees. And the Right would rather relinquish power in "the worst political maneuver in swedish history DÖ" which makes a right leaning voter much more likely to jump ship. Everyone just handled the problem with SD so badly, they seem like a polished up outsider with some good policies for many people, and many just ignore every scandal because it's coming from media and similar. poo poo like nazi jokes doesn't matter. Wild Horses fucked around with this message at 12:46 on Nov 16, 2016 |
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Problem in sweden is same as in rest of world, political centrism / third way bullshit. People want alternatives, globalization is hollowing out society from the inside out.
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SD are a bunch of washed-up neo-nazis who were smart enough to swap the brownshirts for suits. Voting for them won't fix anything, and buying into the myths they're propagating won't fix anything either. The problem facing Europe today isn't a bunch of war refugees, it's that neoliberalism is busy making GBS threads the bed once again.
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Cerebral Bore posted:SD are a bunch of washed-up neo-nazis who were smart enough to swap the brownshirts for suits. Voting for them won't fix anything, and buying into the myths they're propagating won't fix anything either. The problem facing Europe today isn't a bunch of war refugees, it's that neoliberalism is busy making GBS threads the bed once again. It's both actually
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There's also the whole thing where the main parties (in Sweden and elsewhere) are just perceived as a grey slurry around the center of the political spectrum nowadays and people feel it doesn't matter what you vote for because nothing really changes anyway, at least not for the better. I don't agree, but I get this opinion from a lot of people who don't have the time/interest to dig deeper into politics. Remember that for a lot of people the only political point they care about are "Do I personally get more money and/or better service?" and for pretty much every party the answer currently is "no". SD and other parties using populist rhethorics are perceived as different, and they provide the "obvious, simple and wrong" answer that if we just magic the refugees away then everything will be OK again. If we can throw the refugees and immigrants out then the unprofitable steel and paper mills in the north will reopen and be profitable again, the brain-drained rural towns will suddenly attract investors and employers, hospitals and schools will have all the doctors, nurses and teachers they need and there will be snow for christmas. e: Wild Horses posted:Everyone just handled the problem with SD so badly, they seem like a polished up outsider with some good policies for many people, and many just ignore every scandal because it's coming from media and similar. poo poo like nazi jokes doesn't matter. Collateral Damage fucked around with this message at 13:24 on Nov 16, 2016 |
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Nov 16, 2016 13:11
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I'd be a single issue voter for snow on Christmas, in all honesty.
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Svartvit posted:Yes. The election was held in 2014, before the current refugee situation, so using that as an explanation or excuse for how you voted can't be done. It was always about not liking foreigners in general. Eh, last year made the situation apparent for everyone instead of being localized to certain parts and areas of Sweden. We had issues with immigrants in Malmö in the 90s. One start would be 2006, when SD got 23% in Landskrona (at the time known as Skånes Chicago) where S completely neglected actual issues with immigrants, in this case Albanians from Kosovo. That is sort of the entrance of SD on the national scene and was due to actual issues that the existing parties neglected. And this is the whole reason for the rise of SD. Alliansen had an investigation regarding toughening up immigration/integration 2009, but that was thrown out of the window after SD got into Riksdagen. Mauricio Rojas (Lib) predicted a lot of the things that we currently experience with segregation, but he was ostracised from politics. Alliansen had an oppurtunity to deal with this, but for a number of reasons decided not to mainly due to the arrival of SD in Riksdagen in 2010 meant that 4 years was spent attacking SD instead of dealing with the actual problems, which directly caused SD to gain support by pointing towards an actual problem. Considering last year, Åkesson is going to spend the next 2 years saying he had been right all along and SD have by other parties neglect gotten in a position where they are seen as the trustworthy ones. Collateral Damage posted:This too. Demonising SD and their voters hasn't done anything but make their voters double down because they see it as meaning the established parties are scared, which means they're hiding the truth. Pointing out the fallacies of SD's policies doesn't help either, because as previously mentioned the average voter just doesn't care about the finer points. Another issue is that SD voters are the most pessimistic ones and see only that things are getting worse.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:You somewhat sound like the kind of an American who is now going on about the Clinton's election failure with "economic anxiety" and "should've not ostracised the rural vote", yes.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:They're right. Hillary lost because she represented an establishment that has completely lost touch with most of its base, causing a lot of the people who voted for Obama to see no point in voting for her, or to vote for the guy who at least acknowledges that their circumstances are terrible. Decades of economic malaise and a candidate selling herself as the status quo candidate does not a winning combination make. As a side note, people who vote for a rapist buffoon who tells anyone what they want to hear despite of his grand ideas to show UK what is an actually stupid policy, and his "electrocute the gay away" sidekick, are very shortsighted. It'd be almost funny if they weren't just going to day within years when they have neither infrastructure, nor medicine available, just opiates to kill themselves and their families with. cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Nov 16, 2016 |
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