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i'm not sure what facts you're saying i'm disregarding but personally my definition of homophobia includes "love the sinner hate the sin" type bullshit that helps perpetuate the same dominant "gay is sin" narrative that leads to fundamentalists torturing their children to death so they don't grow up to be gay. i personally live in a state where such protections are not guaranteed, and are at the whim of the employer. additionally, it was only obama's executive order that would have allowed trans children to use the restrooms of the gender they identify as, potentially preventing children from outing themselves to the general student population and becoming targets for bullying. an executive order that will not stand in this new... i don't even want to call it a presidency. george bush, as hosed up as he was, was still a president (even if it was through crooked means). trump's a fascist, and i'm pretty sure we all know what we did to them in world war ii. and as for calling for murder, i'm reciting antifa slogans dude. bash the fash, the only good nazi is a dead nazi, stuff like that. you know. kkk. national socialists. people who should not be allowed to participate in our society as though their ideas are equally acceptable as any others and disagreement is simply a matter of opinion. like sorry if you think i'm disregarding facts or whatever but i'm personally not calling for murder, rather calling for direct action against the sort of people who beat up immigrants, post flyers talking about "vigilante squads," and who otherwise have taken this shithead being voted for as a sign for them to put their hoods back on. people like that do not deserve conversation. they are not to be given a place in debate. they should be beaten down wherever they pop their heads out so their fascist brethren know this isn't their country, it never was, and it never will be.
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Thanks to both of you for your detailed responses. Are there any good books/articles on early Christianity and its dogmatic quarrels? It must have been a very interesting time for the religion, with various practitioners trying to figure out the proper rules one ought to observe.
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I find arguing on the Internet with people who (mostly) argue in decent and well-founded ways immensely comforting.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:I find arguing on the Internet with people who (mostly) argue in decent and well-founded ways immensely comforting. Yes, which is in large part what makes this and its predecessors Good Threads. There is a large spectrum of Christian and Christian-adjacent or curious beliefs represented, and all are respected. Except prosperity gospel, gently caress that cancerous bullshit. We have many contradictory viewpoints but ultimately that doesn't matter because we learn more from our differences than by calling each other heretics.
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'Prosperity gospel' fills me with such blind rage that I'm starting to understand the word 'heretic' in a whole new way.
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We're not allowed to burn prosperity types tho, so are they really heretics? (I'm being sarcastic Internet Police)
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Matriorb? (ducks, runs)
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KataMary DaMercy.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:KataMary DaMercy. i literally spit out my water holy poo poo
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:KataMary DaMercy.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:KataMary DaMercy.  Edit: 
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:KataMary DaMercy. 
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:KataMary DaMercy. 
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I hate to be that guy but there must be one whenever a joke is told.
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laaaa la la la la la la la katamari damacy
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Valiantman posted:I hate to be that guy but there must be one whenever a joke is told. Katamari Damacy is a Japanese videogame where God accidentally blows up the stars and sends his son to Earth with a giant ball that sticks to anything smaller to it, so that he can mush enough stuff together to make new stars from it. e: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVVW41iAu5A Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Nov 12, 2016 |
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Oh since a lot of y'all get the happy spaz over Mary, check out this cool and good traditional folk song about her: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps6sHgbqQSQ The arrangement may be a bit progressive for some tastes, but since John Renbourn( pbuh) can do no wrong, said tastes can go suck a lemon
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...shoulda gone with a Cathamary, but still very much a great joke.
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Edit: lol I am a moron.
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it's telling you to wait in line with the other schmucks
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Is the joke that it looks like a Hebrew stylized 'DMV'? Ha ha! I like a joke!
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I also like a gathering of two or three in the name of Jesus, even on the internet. Thinking about Christianity and Donald Trump, I remember how his answer early in the campaign about the little wine and little cracker which makes him feel cleansed. His unreflective and impenitent personality before God disqualified him from my vote, but even more broadly, it exposes a vigorless Christianity in America. Maybe I'm crazy to call out a modern Christianity of the little wine and cracker. It looks weak, superficial, and unlikely to bring anyone to salvation. But I would also like to know if I'm missing something from the Holy Spirit that Donald Trump and his supporters get.
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Caufman posted:I also like a gathering of two or three in the name of Jesus, even on the internet. You're not. Trump cares about nothing except himself, a clinical narcissist of the first order. Hillary, on the other hand, is a devout Methodist.
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Caufman posted:Maybe I'm crazy to call out a modern Christianity of the little wine and cracker. It looks weak, superficial, and unlikely to bring anyone to salvation. as with much in religion, it is not primarily the thing itself which has significance, rather it is the meaning behind the gesture. and i think you are right to question what the heck is going on in a country where its citizens overwhelmingly claim to be christian, yet millions and millions of these people did not react in laughter to the ham-handed religious appeals made by an orange man
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Lutha Mahtin posted:as with much in religion, it is not primarily the thing itself which has significance, rather it is the meaning behind the gesture. and i think you are right to question what the heck is going on in a country where its citizens overwhelmingly claim to be christian, yet millions and millions of these people did not react in laughter to the ham-handed religious appeals made by an orange man The only people here I know who voted Trump out of anything pertaining to religious reasons said they don't like Trump himself but voted GOP due to the Supreme Court - they believed they had an obligation to vote for the party that opposes abortion, homosexuality, transgenderism, etc. There was a nice old lady at church who said she adored Hillary and thought she'd be a much better president, but she had to vote against Hillary because a Hillary presidency would mean expanded LGBT and abortion support.
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what a sweet old lady thank goodness i'm not a buddha yet or i'd have to help her learn how to fly and read minds
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Lutha Mahtin posted:as with much in religion, it is not primarily the thing itself which has significance, rather it is the meaning behind the gesture. and i think you are right to question what the heck is going on in a country where its citizens overwhelmingly claim to be christian, yet millions and millions of these people did not react in laughter to the ham-handed religious appeals made by an orange man Like an aristocratic attempt to undermine the one, holy, catholic and apostolic church of Jesus, he is disconcertingly orange... Cythereal posted:The only people here I know who voted Trump out of anything pertaining to religious reasons said they don't like Trump himself but voted GOP due to the Supreme Court - they believed they had an obligation to vote for the party that opposes abortion, homosexuality, transgenderism, etc. There was a nice old lady at church who said she adored Hillary and thought she'd be a much better president, but she had to vote against Hillary because a Hillary presidency would mean expanded LGBT and abortion support. A Christian's support for homophobia is really why I'm very sympathetic to Mo Tzu's anger at the acceptance that homosexuality, transgenderism, and related identity issues is inherently sinful. Again, as a witness of Jesus, I have yet to find the fruit of homophobia to show any promise for spiritual salvation. On the topic of abortion, I also observe that it is incomplete for an American Christian to consider the killing of embryos and fetuses to be the only debasement of human life that they will hold their government accountable for.
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Caufman posted:Like an aristocratic attempt to undermine the one, holy, catholic and apostolic church of Jesus, he is disconcertingly orange... We are not allowed to talk about abortion.
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the calvinist doctrine of perseverance of the saints has mutated and become a source of solace to the lazy instead of a source of anxiety to the industrious. i mean not that it had awesome psychological import in the first place since developing a "Protestant work ethic" in order to manage anxiety about election isn't the most healthy thing in the world, but "i'm saved so therefore i must be the right kind of person already b/c God wouldn't let me be otherwise" is perhaps even worseThirteen Orphans posted:We are not allowed to talk about abortion. also this
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Caufman posted:On the topic of abortion, I also observe that it is incomplete for an American Christian to consider the killing of embryos and fetuses to be the only debasement of human life that they will hold their government accountable for. not touching the A-bomb, but really, hypocricy is the hall-mark of right-wing christianity. They love nuclear weapons and death penalties for people they already didn't like, too.
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Well, nukes have the potential to end the world and they're a huge money sink, but if it wasn't for MAD, we Eurogoons would probably all be speaking Russian by now. And while Trump might cut down on American military engagements/obligations, it's not like any money will be saved or reach the poor. MIC would never let that happen, and neither would the Republicans.
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Smoking Crow posted:"Love thy neighbor as thy love thyself." The Lord said there is no greater commandment than this, along with love God with all your heart, soul and mind. Remember this. Christ said he did not come into this world to save the virtuous, but to save sinners; whether you're overjoyed that Trump will Make America Great Again and angry at liberals for America losing its greatness, or whether you're horrified of what this perceived "greatness" was, remember this. Praise the Lord
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Caufman posted:Like an aristocratic attempt to undermine the one, holy, catholic and apostolic church of Jesus, he is disconcertingly orange... i think it's important to define the term 'homophobia'. is it hateful, judgmental, malicious attitudes or actions towards homosexuals? is it belief that homosexuality is a sin? i think it's possible to have a biblical understanding of sexual morality and see homosexuality as sinful while also being a kind and loving person towards people who identify as homosexuals and treating them with full dignity and respect like you would any other person because the whole idea of christianity, it seems to me, is that none of us are righteous and we all need Christ and therefore have no place to judge.
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Commie NedFlanders posted:a biblical understanding of sexual morality hell, i think that the reason monks and nuns live the way they do is that if you want to abandon the world that means abandoning gender, and i have texts to back me up on this. different christians are going to believe that different things are 'biblical' HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 13:05 on Nov 13, 2016 |
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drat ancient Israelites, is it so hard to just not worship false idols for five loving minutes, I mean. drat. I'm really enjoying the Old Testament right now.
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Commie NedFlanders posted:i think it's possible to have a biblical understanding of sexual morality and see homosexuality as sinful while also being a kind and loving person towards people who identify as homosexuals and treating them with full dignity and respect like you would any other person because the whole idea of christianity, it seems to me, is that none of us are righteous and we all need Christ and therefore have no place to judge. "I think homosexuality is a sin, but I respect LGBTQ people" -- does that translate into "I don't want my kids to know that sometimes kids have two mothers", or "it's too early to tell kids about that", or "I don't care what you say, you aren't really a woman"? Then yeah, it's bigotry. It doesn't matter one bit that you're "a kind and loving person", any more than it matters if you're "not a racist". The question is, are you doing cruel and unloving things? Are you standing by while other people do them? Quoting Ms. Marvel, "Good is not a thing you are. It's a thing you do."
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