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TBeats posted:Has anyone ever figured out the biggest margin of victory someone could get with the popular vote and still lose the EC vote? You could theoretically get zero votes in the states that you lose and only win by 1% in the states you do win which would be a hilariously low popular vote. Like in the states that hillary won she could have won them with 100% of the votes cast. PookBear fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Nov 12, 2016 |
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Excuses. Her campaign was flawed from the beginning, Comey's letter was just a symptom of a larger problem with her.
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From that same callquote:Finance director Dennis Cheng ran through numbers that illustrate how heavily Clinton relied upon big donors: Nope, can't see the problem at all.
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It's still entirely possible that the last minute hype from his second letter affected turnout though, isn't it? Everyone wants to have these impossibly wise critiques of her campaign that were apparently waiting for one tiny crucial detail to become viable (the part where she lost). Maybe it's, I don't know, more complicated?
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It would be pretty bad if she tries to run again without changing anything because she thinks comey was the reason she lost.
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SperginMcBadposter posted:It would be pretty bad if she tries to run again without changing anything because she thinks comey was the reason she lost. You'll never see her in politics again. You might never see her in public again either, who knows. It's best if she disappears from the public eye probably forever. Hillary's picture will be in the dictionary under Hubris.
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Zeris posted:It's still entirely possible that the last minute hype from his second letter affected turnout though, isn't it? Everyone wants to have these impossibly wise critiques of her campaign that were apparently waiting for one tiny crucial detail to become viable (the part where she lost). Maybe it's, I don't know, more complicated? I believe the pussy tape being released at the time the Comey released his letter would have gotten Hillary elected, but people would have said it was part of a bigger problem with Trump instead of blaming that tape alone. So I think this post is pretty accurate: Whip Slagcheek posted:Excuses. Her campaign was flawed from the beginning, Comey's letter was just a symptom of a larger problem with her.
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Also it sure would be strange if the woman who told Wall Street "it's good to have a public and a private position on matters" has a donor-oriented excuse that conveniently shifts blame away from her. She may be arrogant and have trusted in a flawed campaign message, but it's not like she was the one person staking her wellbeing on Trump's ability to troll the gently caress out of us and remain viable. Remember the part where the media simultaneously squeezed everything they could out of his sound bites while simultaneously dismissing him in voting booths and probabilities? Everything about this election was unprecedented. Nobody's playbook had suggestions for it. Aphoristically stating the idiocy of pegging a campaign message on tearing down the other candidate for lack of presidential fitness seems smart til you mention that said candidate admits to sexual assault and bullies mothers of dead soldiers. Or the part where Trump did the same loving campaign as her, but had an 8 year head start thanks to subgroups of supporters who already hated Clintons and/or Obama. They played that game where you race towards the cliff and neither candidate chickened out. Trump just hit the earth second. Or something.
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I have a hard time point to any one thing over the last six months and saying "that's it, that's why she lost". It's easier to see in hindsight but it's still a difficult thing to pull out into soundbites.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:I have a hard time point to any one thing over the last six months and saying "that's it, that's why she lost". It's easier to see in hindsight but it's still a difficult thing to pull out into soundbites. If there *had* to be any one thing that was done wrong, it's assuming that white rurals and working class stiffs who voted for Obama in 2008/2012 would vote for her just because she's in the same party. The fact that ~6m people LESS voted for her than Obama '12 points to that.
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Vasudus posted:If there *had* to be any one thing that was done wrong, it's assuming that white rurals and working class stiffs who voted for Obama in 2008/2012 would vote for her just because she's in the same party. The fact that ~6m people LESS voted for her than Obama '12 points to that. I could be wrong, but I think I read somewhere that she was down with every demographic compared to Obama except women, where she didn't actually gain anymore voters than Obama had.
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TBeats posted:I could be wrong, but I think I read somewhere that she was down with every demographic compared to Obama except women, where she didn't actually gain anymore voters than Obama had. Correct. This was not some massive turnout on Trump's behalf that won the day, it was Obama voters not voting for Hillary. Not staying home, but not voting for Hillary. Michigan had 80,000 ballots cast with no Presidential candidate. In defense of Hillary's comments, she hasn't had enough time for polls to come back on what her response should be.
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Heh. The safeway near me has already removed plastic bags. Guess it's time to buy a bunch of the canvas bags.
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Proud Christian Mom posted:Correct. This was not some massive turnout on Trump's behalf that won the day, it was Obama voters not voting for Hillary. Not staying home, but not voting for Hillary. Michigan had 80,000 ballots cast with no Presidential candidate. I've talked to five people that I can think of off the top of my head that just left their vote for president blank and concentrated on local and state elections. I'm one of those people -- though I didn't leave mine blank, I wrote in Monty. Monty got more votes for prez than probably everyone in this thread  I mostly did that because, while I would have preferred Hillary over Trump, VA seemed like if was a lock for Hillary. She won VA, but I don't think I can actually say it was a lock anymore.
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TBeats posted:I've talked to five people that I can think of off the top of my head that just left their vote for president blank and concentrated on local and state elections. She won VA by more than Obama did in 2012.
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Stolen from that election meltdown thread: https://twitter.com/Beer__Wolf/status/797059740815736832
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Can we please be rid of Lena Dunham already? Goddam, she's loving gross.
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Duzzy Funlop posted:Stolen from that election meltdown thread: Wait. That's a real thing? She seriously wrote that?
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Naked Bear posted:Can we please be rid of Lena Dunham already? Goddam, she's loving gross. Whoa what the gently caress man.
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It is incredible how bad she is at everything she does.
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Hillary lost a couple crucial states by like less than a percent. Any number of tiny things might've won her the election in the end.
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A couple of things might have won the election. Her not being a poo poo candidate would have definitely won the election.
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aphid_licker posted:Hillary lost a couple crucial states by like less than a percent. Any number of tiny things might've won her the election in the end. Proud Christian Mom posted:A couple of things might have won the election. Trump Victory 2016: Tragedy of the Conmans.
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Naked Bear posted:Can we please be rid of Lena Dunham already? Goddam, she's loving gross. https://twitter.com/MartinShkreli/status/797130599249178624
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Naked Bear posted:Can we please be rid of Lena Dunham already? Goddam, she's loving gross. Counterpoint: 
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Doesn't she have an allergy to her own internal organs or whatever.
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Some condition where her insides are slowly but constantly generating scar tissue, gluing her organs to one another or something. Which doesn't SOUND like much but your organs are really not intended to be stuck to things so they get hosed up and it means regular surgeries. Honestly it sounds horrible. e: Had it kinda wrong but kinda right, it's endometriosis whih I looked up and it's where the uterus lining grows on the outside the uterus. It thickens, breaks down, and bleeds with every menstrual cycle but that poo poo is trapped in the body between organs with no way to get out. It leads to irritation, the scar tissue and organ adhesion mentioned, and of course pain. The Eyes Have It fucked around with this message at 03:36 on Nov 13, 2016 |
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Mister Sinewave posted:Some condition where her insides are slowly but constantly generating scar tissue, gluing her organs to one another or something. Which doesn't SOUND like much but your organs are really not intended to be stuck to things so they get hosed up and it means regular surgeries. Honestly it sounds horrible. What the gently caress. 
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I added a correction to my post, had it wrong in the details but in the end not that wrong. It sounds horrible, one of those things where your body rebels & acts against you.
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Mister Sinewave posted:Some condition where her insides are slowly but constantly generating scar tissue, gluing her organs to one another or something. Yep, she has endometriosis, meaning the part that normally lines the inside of her uterus and bleeds each month instead starts showing up all over the inside of her abdomen (and sometimes lungs) and bleeding there instead, causing the scar tissue and organs sticking together. It sucks and can cause a ton of chronic pain. No real good treatment for it either. edit: beaten. maybe I should preview post from now on
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Whip Slagcheek posted:Counterpoint: being a fat chick with small tits is like the biggest one-two punch nature can give
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Duzzy Funlop posted:Stolen from that election meltdown thread: 
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holocaust bloopers posted:Doesn't she have an allergy to her own internal organs or whatever. I think you mean her internal organs are allergic to her.
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Biden/Sanders 2020 They may not make to 2024, but drat it'd be a fun ride
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:That sounds horrible It is. Dated a girl who had it so bad she went in for a radical hysterectomy at 33. Utterly debilitating pain, horrid medical procedures that might buy a few weeks of normalcy at a time. Treatment ranges from hormones (birth control can help some women) to ripping everything out. Godholio fucked around with this message at 04:13 on Nov 13, 2016 |
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