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Princess Di posted:Hey progs! Lol are you seriously saying that PROGRESSIVES didn't vote for Clinton? That's like the only group she improved over Obama with. She fell with blacks, latinos, suburbanites, utterly crushed in rural areas....
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princess di perhaps this thread is more your speed http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3796630
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Vox Nihili posted:Lol are you seriously saying that PROGRESSIVES didn't vote for Clinton? That's like the only group she improved over Obama with. She fell with blacks, latinos, suburbanites, utterly crushed in rural areas.... Ugh, too many words that too many people have different definitions of. It makes communication a loving pain.
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Princess Di posted:Hillary did worse with every minority demographic than Obama. Hillary did barely as well with black voters as John Kerry in 04', and did worse than Al Gore in 2000. Even if we just compare her to other white democrats her performance in that area wasn't anything special.
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AHungryRobot posted:Hillary did barely as well with black voters as John Kerry in 04', and did worse than Al Gore in 2000. Even if we just compare her to other white democrats her performance in that area wasn't anything special. Are you saying that, in the end, racial rhetoric didn't seem to have much of an effect on the vote?
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Fidel Castronaut posted:What is this fireplace thing a reference to? Also, your avatar is really doing a number for bringing out your posting voice. It is to describe entitlement. People obsessed with purity and purity flame wars tend to be entitled. I hope that's clear. I'm talking about college tumblerites and YouTube entitled faux woke activists and bored rich kids conversing on intersectionality purely theoretically. Entitlement. My avatar is basically a gang tag for me at this point. Also it's funny you are seeing a black woman as a white male. Erasure makes me giddy. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Princess Di posted:It is to describe entitlement. People obsessed with purity and purity flame wars tend to be entitled. I hope that's clear. You just described the people that voted for Clinton. At least, all the ones I know.
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Lmao Hillary sucked huge turds and almost everyone knew it. Double lmao if you're still in denial.
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BEAR GRYLLZ posted:lmao @ the idea of millenials even owning a home, much less one with a fireplace Your moms home is still your home. I've known people living in a homeless shelter. The people I'm speaking of don't know what food stamps are.
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Princess Di posted:It is to describe entitlement. People obsessed with purity and purity flame wars tend to be entitled. I hope that's clear. haha
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Three days after Clinton has already lost: Core Clintonites begin considering looking at the actual data for 30 seconds, reject notion and go back to literally recording videos of themselves crying.
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Am I out of touch?? No, it's the voters who are wrong.
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snakeandbake posted:Am I out of touch?? No, it's the voters who are wrong.
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Princess Di posted:Your moms home is still your home. lol i was homeless, woke don't pay the bills
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Princess Di posted:I'm happy for you though! i voted for bernie in the primary, hated hillary but voted for her in general (in california) because trump is literally hilter. unfortunately hillary decided to spend money buying ads in NY and CA rather than the loving rust belt
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snakeandbake posted:Am I out of touch?? No, it's the voters who are wrong.
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snakeandbake posted:Am I out of touch?? No, it's the voters who are wrong. Grognan posted:woke don't pay the bills I call this: Woke 2 
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Princess Di posted:People obsessed with purity and purity flame wars tend to be entitled. lmao what do you think you're loving doing at this moment Raskolnikov38 has issued a correction as of 04:14 on Nov 13, 2016 |
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I didn't vote for Clinton. I voted for PSL. I hope my voting for something I wanted, instead of against something I didn't, doesn't hurt.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I'm not going to accept responsibility for an identity grouping that I'm not even a part of. The Hispanic vote in Florida is historically Republican due to the Cuban vote there. This is longstanding. Another incredible gently caress up by Clintons team by the way. If you are going to start relying on a sea change that has not happened in decades you had better have the hardest of evidence but they did not! Yet another inexcusable mistake in the campaign.
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Princess Di posted:Your moms home is still your home.
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As someone who is a gun owning, left leaning but slightly nationalist dude from the midwest, if the future of the DNC looks anything like the atmosphere of this thread it actually makes me somewhat encouraged and excited. It's time we had a real party for the people and ditch all this stupid crybaby college celebrity bullshit, and get rid of the Clintonite neoliberalism that only serves the rich elites.
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snakeandbake posted:Am I out of touch?? No, it's the voters who are wrong.
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"help i cant feed my kids and i have to drink lead and i haven't had a day off in four years" "i gotchu  "
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Remember how many people were laughing at trump's campaign budget, that Hillary had it in the bag because look how much (wall street) money she's spending! Then Trump still loving beat her because she's garbage lmao.
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purge the clintonite scum
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Let them stay, their corn cobbedness is highly amusing.
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snakeandbake posted:Am I out of touch?? No, it's the voters who are wrong.
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HILLARY BAD! BERNIE GOOD! GO KILL!
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snakeandbake posted:Am I out of touch?? No, it's the voters who are wrong. We make jokes on our dead Internet forum, but https://twitter.com/sam_kriss/status/797426924721209344
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Fidel Castronaut posted:Empathy is going to be really important going forward. But, like I've said, that work is on us with the privilege because I can't ask somebody who has stopped wearing their hijab in response to threats to exercise their empathy right now. I'm a white cisgendered het man from Kentucky. I can speak to my people with empathy and I must. Yeah, this is what I was hoping to get at. When I talk about the term, I don't mean trying to somehow popularize the word "intersectionality" or the various other concepts that have been bandied about (and frankly misused by the Sociology/Feminism-101 stereotypes), but in terms of how to create an argumentative framework for how to express these issues and possible policy prescriptions. I think a lot of what happens is that these things become a simplified tautology that others are not really invited into understanding in a "if you have to ask, you'll never know" kind of way. Imagine someone who only has their localized white experience, and have been struggling financially all their lives. The way that person is primed, they will interpret things with entirely different assumptions and attitudes since they haven't had the luxury of travel or broad-based education beyond the minimum requirements to pass a test. They hear "black lives matter" but instead of understanding it as "black lives [do] matter" they instead view it as "black lives matter [more]", even though the latter is wildly incorrect and not what the phrase is supposed to mean. This isn't to say that a large portion of the people who take offense to this aren't racist (many frankly are), but there are plenty who are just unaware of the origin of the phrase in its context because they have lived their own lives in a miserable position and haven't really had the experience or necessity to view their own privileges. In fact, telling someone who is facing decades of economic bullshit that they shouldn't feel lovely because "well at least you're white and have privilege" is the worst possible way to approach them. The situational and emotional framework they experience in their day-to-day lives colors their view of the world in a way that is anathema to a lot of the drive-by discourse and shaming that people have adopted as a substitute for advocacy. It all comes down to the fact that people want to feel like their problems are being acknowledged. Being dismissed with a handwave and academic terms is the best way to make them resent you and everything you stand for. Neeksy has issued a correction as of 03:59 on Nov 13, 2016 |
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lazorexplosion posted:Kinda off topic but related to chat that happened here back a bit, does anyone have any links to clear explanations about whether or not accepting poor immigrants makes it harder for working class people to find jobs? I kinda suspect it does at least in the short term but would like to read what people have to say. (Or should I take this to another place) In a consumer economy like ours more people here = more people buying stuff = more people who need to be serviced and so on. It's not hard to figure out if you know basic economics, but it's easy just to yell that it's [insert out group here] trying to gently caress you over. All the normal reasons one might restrict immigration such as space and resources don't really apply to us since we still have insane amounts of space and generate basically infinite wealth. One of the things fueling racial resentment is low income minority families gravitate towards cheap to live places IE rural America. Then an insane orange racist flies in on his plane and tells you it's the non-whites who are to blame.
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Mods, please change the thread title to 'This thread kills fascists.' TIA.
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Venom Snake posted:In a consumer economy like ours more people here = more people buying stuff = more people who need to be serviced and so on. It's not hard to figure out if you know basic economics, but it's easy just to yell that it's [insert out group here] trying to gently caress you over. All the normal reasons one might restrict immigration such as space and resources don't really apply to us since we still have insane amounts of space and generate basically infinite wealth. There are also many businesses that take advantage of the lack of worker protections for the undocumented, which ends up bringing down the wages for everyone else. If you try to advocate for better positions, businesses are able to strike back with the threat that they'll just replace you with tax-free under-the-table labor. The resentment spirals out from there when you have dwindling public resources in those areas, and the illusion that these immigrants are free-riders on a system that the rest of the workforce is paying for but not getting anything back. Then the local bridge collapses and their commute now has a permanent 40-minute extension every day.
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Princess Di posted:At what point do middle class white people take responsibility for the personal antipathy that led them to just sit this one out. Turns out, anybody can talk up privilege this and privilege that but in the end it is their privledge to choose who to vote for lol
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