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Mr Interweb posted:So it's very unlikely we'll be flipping the House in either 2018 or 2020? I think it just depends on how the next four years go. Gerrymandered districts are normally safe but are very susceptible to wave elections and get gradually less safe as more time passes since the borders were originally drawn. I think Dems have more of a chance to flip the House now than they would have under a Clinton presidency but it would still take a lot of hard work.
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HorseRenoir posted:outcomes ranked from best to worst: I don't think a terrorist attack would cause a rally around Trump. Maybe. Depends. I think we're inured and he's too divisive. You left off #6, "Trump orders a nuclear launch at the Mideast in a fit of narcissistic rage and Moscow misinterprets it as an attack. All life on earth ends."
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Number Two Stunna posted:I think we need to make life for white men a living hell until Trump is no longer president. Next time you see a white man, get in his face, tell him that he's about to hear the voice of the people he's oppressed, and scream as loud as you can. If white men are confronted by screaming POC, womxn, and LGBT+ at every turn, they will be forced to face our pain and reconsider their own oppressive behaviour. - ways to not increase voter turnout
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Honestly I am just hoping that the Republican Legislature splinters into divided sub-groups that just continue the deadlock. I really can't see Ted Cruz and his cronies voluntarily working with Trump and Ryan will be trying to pin any issues and problems squarely on the Donald. Democrats should sit back and watch the squabbles and try (and probably fail) to be obstructionist and try to stoke the fires within the R party. Also hope Trump doesn't drop dead of a rage induced stroke leaving Pence to rule.FuturePastNow posted:- ways to not increase voter turnout I am really hoping that was sarcasm, but this is D&D.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I don't think a terrorist attack would cause a rally around Trump. Maybe. Depends. I think we're inured and he's too divisive. Right now it's at 3 minutes to midnight. So I bet anything it gets pushed all the way forward to 1pm.
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HorseRenoir posted:I think it just depends on how the next four years go. Gerrymandered districts are normally safe but are very susceptible to wave elections and get gradually less safe as more time passes since the borders were originally drawn. I think Dems have more of a chance to flip the House now than they would have under a Clinton presidency but it would still take a lot of hard work. At what point in the year does gerrymandering actually occur? If the GOP can get it done before the election then we're stuck with the pricks until 2030 in the House, but if it's after we might get some sanity. Shimrra Jamaane posted:And how many of those 300,000 intended to vote let alone actually tried? Not nearly as many as people who just stayed home for no real reason. Dude it literally only needs to be 9% of that number and anyway if people are so discouraged from even trying to vote that they don't, well, try, then voter suppression has worked just as surely as having them turned away at the polling station.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Just a reminder that, thanks to grabbing both houses of the Minnesota, Iowa, and Kentucky state legislatures (and losing Nevada) Republicans are now just one state legislature shy of calling an Article V convention: From a few pages back, but this is just one more reason we'll have to fight like hell in Colorado in the midterms; our Senate is GOP and the Dems only have a three-seat lead in the House. gently caress it, maybe I'll try running!
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Jack2142 posted:I really can't see Ted Cruz and his cronies voluntarily working with Trump cue miserable-cruz-on-phone-stumping-for-trump.jpg
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Yeah, I don't think the Democrats are gonna hold it at the 2018 Elections or make gains.
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The Maroon Hawk posted:From a few pages back, but this is just one more reason we'll have to fight like hell in Colorado in the midterms; our Senate is GOP and the Dems only have a three-seat lead in the House. well, the senate is probably in trouble because everyone lives in only a few key counties its a western state (like cowboy western) that's coming out from being one of the most conservative states in the country (norquist's no tax bullshit ten yeas ago) its a challenging problem because there's really not much to our state outside a few key areas dems wil need a platform that appeals to a whole bunch of diverse people and regions (from the eastern plains to the western slope) if they want to win. it'll be tough
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Hollismason posted:Yeah, I don't think the Democrats are gonna hold it at the 2018 Elections or make gains. The Senate is hosed and the House is a long shot but I don't see why the Dems can't make gains. Dems are in a more advantageous position to win midterm elections now than they were in the Obama years.
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lol if you don't think Cruz will do whatever he possibly can to gain some sort of power in the reign of Trump. He has no principles. He just wants more and more for himself. If he was gonna stand against Trump he had his chance in the election. Instead he ended up falling in line behind the guy that insulted his wife for a cheap political shot.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Just a reminder that, thanks to grabbing both houses of the Minnesota, Iowa, and Kentucky state legislatures (and losing Nevada) Republicans are now just one state legislature shy of calling an Article V convention:  Wow we are hosed. Is there even an honest chance at reclaiming any of those state legislatures?
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quote:"The three hours I spent at the Javits Center Tuesday night, surrounded by campaign staffers and fellow surrogates for Hillary Clinton, are blurred and spotty," Dunham recalled in her newsletter. "At a certain point it became clear something had gone horribly wrong. Celebrants' faces turned. The modeling had been incorrect. Watching the numbers in Florida, I touched my face and realized I was crying. 'Can we please go home?' I said to my boyfriend. I could tell he was having trouble breathing, and I could feel my chin breaking into hives. Another woman showed me her matching hive, hidden by fresh concealer."
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SourKraut posted:
It's not quite so dire as that, since there isn't unanimous support for an Article 5 convention even among Republicans, but yes it is bad. There is hope for reclaiming some of those chambers, such as Virginia's, though; its Senate only barely went Republican after a long-time Democratic member was literally bribed to resign and throw his seat ultimately to the other party. Especially if Trump proves as disastrous as many predict, and an anti-Republican wave is generated. (Though lol at expecting the left to organize in America.)
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So, Trump's election has caused a wave of racist, bigoted, and white supremacist action and events to surge. We're seeing reports in the news of people being verbally and physically assaulted, mocked and threatened in classrooms, and neo-Nazis and the KKK marching everywhere. This seems explicitly enabled by Trump's election and the alt-right feeling emboldened by it. What do we do about this? Will the Trump administration decry these happenings, or will they just sit back and let it happen? This is what scares me the most, aside from Pence. If this keeps up and Pence somehow gets power, we're headed for Nazi Germany.
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Pollyanna posted:What do we do about this? Oppose it on a personal, local, and state level; speak out against it where we see it, and fight to ensure it does not become any more legitimate. Pollyanna posted:Will the Trump administration decry these happenings, or will they just sit back and let it happen? I think you know the answer to this one. 
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Nov 13, 2016 02:59
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SourKraut posted:
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RaySmuckles posted:maybe appeal to those voters with a serious platform that speaks to their needs? But how do you convince, for example, Rust Belt workers that you can get them jobs when the jobs they were working in are never coming back? They need to be educated/trained in other areas so that they can transition to new careers, but without state or Federal programs to support them, I don't see it happening. And Republicans will shout about higher taxes and debt to do so, so a huge chunk of the voter base will still reject it. it just feels as if there's still this huge chunk of voters who will vote against what we'd want to do. I mean, I know several people who claim to be socially liberal but fiscally conservative and when pushed to choose, always vote fiscal conservatism first. How do you actually get these people to start putting social issues first?
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Mendrian posted:Possibly. I think it's two separate but very closely related arguments. The argument that people who don't care about other people as much as they care about their own self interests are racists is an interesting one, but it's also one that's all too easy to dismiss as "fuckhead liberal college bullshit." Couching it as a race issue is a good way to make people tune out entirely. I'd suggest using the bible instead, and presenting it as a "what would Jesus do" argument.
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disjoe posted:Just to be clear there are a lot of (not all by a long shot) racists who would have a change of heart if they had a good education and economic security. This is demonstrably false.
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SourKraut posted:But how do you convince, for example, Rust Belt workers that you can get them jobs when the jobs they were working in are never coming back? They need to be educated/trained in other areas so that they can transition to new careers, but without state or Federal programs to support them, I don't see it happening. And Republicans will shout about higher taxes and debt to do so, so a huge chunk of the voter base will still reject it. You can try actually having an actual solution instead of shouting "RACIST" at them, for one.
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John_A_Tallon posted:The argument that people who don't care about other people as much as they care about their own self interests are racists is an interesting one, but it's also one that's all too easy to dismiss as "fuckhead liberal college bullshit." Couching it as a race issue is a good way to make people tune out entirely. I'd suggest using the bible instead, and presenting it as a "what would Jesus do" argument. I saw people legitimately posting on Facebook comments such as how they worked their way through school, bought a house, work hard, didn't take out thousands in student loans, etc, and that they support gays getting married and women having a choice, but that they supported Trump because they shouldn't have to give up their wealth to support those causes, or forgiving student loans, etc. I've tried calling them out, but it always go back to people valuing money over everything else.
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HorseRenoir posted:The Senate is hosed and the House is a long shot but I don't see why the Dems can't make gains. Dems are in a more advantageous position to win midterm elections now than they were in the Obama years. yeah. i really hope we stop whatever fight over the dnc chair we've got soon, and start fighting for 2018
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Pollyanna posted:So, Trump's election has caused a wave of racist, bigoted, and white supremacist action and events to surge. We're seeing reports in the news of people being verbally and physically assaulted, mocked and threatened in classrooms, and neo-Nazis and the KKK marching everywhere. This seems explicitly enabled by Trump's election and the alt-right feeling emboldened by it. What do we do about this? Will the Trump administration decry these happenings, or will they just sit back and let it happen? Hey now, don't compare Pence to Hitler. Pence doesn't want to see gays burn for a finite amount of time!
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Business Gorillas posted:You can try actually having an actual solution instead of shouting "RACIST" at them, for one. However at some point the racist elephant in the room has to be addressed somehow... Canned Sunshine fucked around with this message at 03:19 on Nov 13, 2016 |
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Pollyanna posted:Will the Trump administration decry these happenings, or will they just sit back and let it happen? I don't think they will just let it happen when they can help out by passing a bill for federal funding for the KKK.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Just a reminder that, thanks to grabbing both houses of the Minnesota, Iowa, and Kentucky state legislatures (and losing Nevada) Republicans are now just one state legislature shy of calling an Article V convention: Holy poo poo, that's terrifying. But don't governors also have to sign off on such a thing? And the 2018 senate map looks pretty drat ugly too. It's way more important to take control of that than the House at this point.
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Pollyanna posted:So, Trump's election has caused a wave of racist, bigoted, and white supremacist action and events to surge. We're seeing reports in the news of people being verbally and physically assaulted, mocked and threatened in classrooms, and neo-Nazis and the KKK marching everywhere. This seems explicitly enabled by Trump's election and the alt-right feeling emboldened by it. What do we do about this? Will the Trump administration decry these happenings, or will they just sit back and let it happen? I know a dude who doesn't think Trump is racist. He knows the things that Trump has said, so he isn't ignorant of facts, he just thinks it is stupid, but not racist. Motivated reasoning is a hell of a thing.
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Mr Interweb posted:Holy poo poo, that's terrifying. But don't governors also have to sign off on such a thing? I think that map is wrong and they only have complete control of 27 state legislatures
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SourKraut posted:I saw people legitimately posting on Facebook comments such as how they worked their way through school, bought a house, work hard, didn't take out thousands in student loans, etc, and that they support gays getting married and women having a choice, but that they supported Trump because they shouldn't have to give up their wealth to support those causes, or forgiving student loans, etc. Yes, that's the value this country encourages over all others. A lot of people pay lipservice to other values though, so arguments should probably leverage those instead when possible.
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SourKraut posted:I saw people legitimately posting on Facebook comments such as how they worked their way through school, bought a house, work hard, didn't take out thousands in student loans, etc, and that they support gays getting married and women having a choice, but that they supported Trump because they shouldn't have to give up their wealth to support those causes, or forgiving student loans, etc. The best I've seen so far is that it's all "liberal lies" that Trump is anti-women's health and he never said he wants to overturn Roe V Wade.
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Pollyanna posted:So, Trump's election has caused a wave of racist, bigoted, and white supremacist action and events to surge. We're seeing reports in the news of people being verbally and physically assaulted, mocked and threatened in classrooms, and neo-Nazis and the KKK marching everywhere. This seems explicitly enabled by Trump's election and the alt-right feeling emboldened by it. What do we do about this? Will the Trump administration decry these happenings, or will they just sit back and let it happen? From the looks of it we feel sorry for ourselves on the internet and post about how everything is guaranteed to be hosed and that nobody should bother do anything because Nazi America is inevitable.
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gently caress it, West Coast Secession please.
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Pollyanna posted:So, Trump's election has caused a wave of racist, bigoted, and white supremacist action and events to surge. We're seeing reports in the news of people being verbally and physically assaulted, mocked and threatened in classrooms, and neo-Nazis and the KKK marching everywhere. This seems explicitly enabled by Trump's election and the alt-right feeling emboldened by it. What do we do about this? Will the Trump administration decry these happenings, or will they just sit back and let it happen? You mean the KKK march that didn't actually happen? http://www.snopes.com/klan-marches-celebrate-trump-victory/ The fabricated Hijab attack? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...g-donald-trump/ One of several ancedotal attacks with no evidence or even outright lies? http://www.snopes.com/trump-supporters-beat-gay-man-in-california/ http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2016/11/11/police-no-report-filed-in-alleged-election-night-assault-on-gay-man-by-trump-supporters/ Some of the things going are real, like the school chanting, but so are the videos of people beating Trump supporters and the Protests turning borderline riots against Trumps win.
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This is pretty deserved http://pitchfork.com/news/69777-eagles-of-death-metals-jesse-hughes-denied-entry-to-stings-bataclan-show/
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nessin posted:Some of the things going are real, like the school chanting, but so are the videos of people beating Trump supporters and the Protests turning borderline riots against Trumps win. One of these things is going to stop because there's no movement organizing it. The other is going to continue as long as Trump is in office. So while there isn't smoking gun definitive evidence that poo poo is majorly hosed quite yet.. the trend seems real bad and like it's only a matter of time before lynching's are on the uptick.
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Jack2142 posted:gently caress it, West Coast Secession please. Yeah! gently caress minorities/LGBT people in red states who are to poor to move! So progressive.
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Pollyanna posted:So, Trump's election has caused a wave of racist, bigoted, and white supremacist action and events to surge. We're seeing reports in the news of people being verbally and physically assaulted, mocked and threatened in classrooms, and neo-Nazis and the KKK marching everywhere. This seems explicitly enabled by Trump's election and the alt-right feeling emboldened by it. What do we do about this? Will the Trump administration decry these happenings, or will they just sit back and let it happen? Advice seems mainly to be "stop calling them racists."
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