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chitoryu12 posted:I really can't see the colonists stumbling across a random body, shrugging, and stringing it up and burning it anyway. They engage in ritual murder, not ritual corpse desecration. I wouldn't be surprised if Lee still had a hand in it, but the method of murder doesn't match up with her individually doing everything. I didn't say they found Mason, more like maybe Lee made a deal with them to spare her life. They get blood, she gets rid of Mason.
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I mean, never thought Lee would replace the butcher, I thought it was more like she replaced Mamma Polk. This past episode was way too torture porn for me, I needed to fast forward all that poo poo. I really can't watch it. Best part was the ghost of the flipped car girl, Sidney's assistant or whatever. That was creepy. In general there is just way too much torture and gross poo poo this season and absolutely no character build ups or pay offs. I am sickened with what I watched. It's just really loving gross and not interesting at all.
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chitoryu12 posted:I really can't see the colonists stumbling across a random body, shrugging, and stringing it up and burning it anyway. They engage in ritual murder, not ritual corpse desecration. I wouldn't be surprised if Lee still had a hand in it, but the method of murder doesn't match up with her individually doing everything. Given the way Lee specified that no one helped her in her confession, it seems like she's covering for someone, and the only ones she would care to cover for are Matt or Flora. Flora isn't capable of murdering a man and propping him up like that, though I suppose the ghosts could have made her participate. In which case Lee's message was telling Flora to stick to this story. I think either her brother helped her, or she didn't do it at all but believes her brother did it. Matt knew where all the cameras were and had the controls, so he could easily have slipped out of the house without being recorded. That was the very night that Matt trance-hosed the witch, and while he doesn't remember it there could certainly have been some deal made there. In this case Lee's message was to throw suspicion off Matt, so Matt would be able to get custody. She didn't yet know he was already dead when she made the message, and as soon as she found his body she started working to destroy the recording.
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MadSparkle posted:I mean, never thought Lee would replace the butcher, I thought it was more like she replaced Mamma Polk. My major problem with a lot of these characters is that it really does come off like the writers had a list of actors first and then had to write reasons for them to show up for a lot of the roles - and this has largely been a problem since arguably the second season. The first season had a large cast but it also had a premise and a format that excused the eclecticism. This season hasn't been as terrible as some of the others but I'm firmly convinced Murphy lucked into the creativity of the first and second. All I'm saying is bring back Dylan McDermott, drat it.
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Facebook Aunt posted:Flora isn't capable of murdering a man and propping him up like that, though I suppose the ghosts could have made her participate. In which case Lee's message was telling Flora to stick to this story. Or it could have been her ghost friend Priscilla convincing the others to do it, because Mason was going to take her away from her mom forever. Though I can't remember if that fits with the timeline and if they had her back at that point.
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This season turned into poo poo-rear end crap and really was over at Episode 5 I've been kinda viewing the second arc as the lovely sequel to a good horror movie (which it basically is oh god it's a metacommentary on the fact that the industry milks the poo poo out of IPs until they're run into the ground)
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Nov 12, 2016 10:59
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Poland Spring posted:This season turned into poo poo-rear end crap and really was over at Episode 5 The shorter season has definitely helped though. I wonder what the ideal AHS season length would be? I'm thinking 6 episodes. Good Soldier Svejk posted:My major problem with a lot of these characters is that it really does come off like the writers had a list of actors first and then had to write reasons for them to show up for a lot of the roles - and this has largely been a problem since arguably the second season. The first season had a large cast but it also had a premise and a format that excused the eclecticism. This season hasn't been as terrible as some of the others but I'm firmly convinced Murphy lucked into the creativity of the first and second. Definately.
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Poland Spring posted:I've been kinda viewing the second arc as the lovely sequel to a good horror movie (which it basically is oh god it's a metacommentary on the fact that the industry milks the poo poo out of IPs until they're run into the ground) It really is metacommentary on the industry, and it's done on purpose. Remember the scenes with the producer back in episode 6? I don't think they could have spelled it out more clearly than that. It also makes fun of TV concepts like isolation reality shows and reenactment shows, and the last batch of episodes has been a pretty spot on parody of modern horror, hung up on found footage and torture porn. I still think this is a really good season, and liked the blair witch reference with the lovely teens going into the property to record material for their documentary/vlog. For me, Murphy has just one episode left to gently caress things up spectacularly (and probably end with a group shot of every involved character coming to terms with their immortal ghost status and living happily ever after).
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Nov 12, 2016 21:40
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I watched the first three episodes of the season then lost interest. I decided to catch back up and just finished episode 6, which was amazing. I've been reading along in the thread between episodes and I noticed nobody said anything about the very creepy "welcome back" in the hot tub scene, even though there was discussion about the candles or mob in the background. That poo poo was actually legitimately frightening, which is something this show hasn't done in quite a long while. I hope that it hasn't gone to poo poo in the second half. 
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Nov 13, 2016 04:27
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I'm still on board with this season, I think the meta-commentary stuff/half of the season is good. Not mindblowingly great, but still good and relatively scary. The "torture porn" as some have called it in the latest episode really wasn't *that* graphic compared to some gore porn horror films (which I hate) or something and was pretty effective. Which I think is important because last year had a lot of terrible stuff, and it even worse, wasn't really frightening in any way. I still think this season's much more ambitious and successful than Hotel was despite a few missteps here and there. For example, forcing Sarah Paulson to do a British accent? From what I read it sounded like they just kinda sprung that on her at the last minute. Her character could have been an American actress just as easily and it would have sounded much less cheesy.
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Nov 13, 2016 05:34
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The impalement/burning was the best (most horrifying) thing I've seen in a horror tv show.
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Nov 13, 2016 06:15
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It would have been effective if we had some reason to care about it but it's just the same old thing over and over again. Why am I supposed to care about a couple of random teens introduced at the start of the ep? What did their end teach me about the ghosts? That the like killing people? That was established in ep 1. This season is just so one note. It's terrible.
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wormil posted:The impalement/burning was the best (most horrifying) thing I've seen in a horror tv show. I rewatched it and had to stop part way through because, yeah, it is insanely gruesome. Easily the most gruesome thing I've seen outside of theaters and liveleak. Spermanent Record posted:It would have been effective if we had some reason to care about it but it's just the same old thing over and over again. Why am I supposed to care about a couple of random teens introduced at the start of the ep? What did their end teach me about the ghosts? That the like killing people? That was established in ep 1. This season is just so one note. It's terrible. "Why am I supposed to care about a bunch of random teens dying horrifically," the goon mused, marveling at his superior understanding of humanity as he made his shitpost one dorito-dusted keystroke at a time. MLKQUOTEMACHINE fucked around with this message at 08:02 on Nov 13, 2016 |
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Nov 13, 2016 08:00
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I think it's a fair point, albeit caring about them deeply isn't the point of their inclusion. Still, if it was, say, fake Shelby and fake Lee (still don't know their names, shows you how much I care about them I guess,) who got burned at the stake, there might have been a bit more of a reaction. The brutality of the colonists needs a certain crescendo in episode 10, I believe. Obviously we need to find out what really happened in Roanoke, what happened to Mason, and preferably without a lot of loose details like AHS tends to do. Part of me still expects an homage with the Millers and the fake Millers and the Chens and the colonists and the nurses and the slaves and gay Mott all gathered around the fire in the house, decorating a Christmas tree, in a touching family moment to end the season.
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Nov 13, 2016 09:36
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I really think Lee was just trying to provide closure for her daughter. Flora knowing that her dad was killed by her mom probably helps her process it more than "so, during the blood moon, right.." She wants to go back because now her little closure stunt makes her look like a killer, which wouldn't have been a problem if she was murdered like she thought she would be.
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Nov 13, 2016 09:52
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OmegaBR posted:Part of me still expects an homage with the Millers and the fake Millers and the Chens and the colonists and the nurses and the slaves and gay Mott all gathered around the fire in the house, decorating a Christmas tree, in a touching family moment to end the season. This is basically how almost all the seasons have ended.
There's an odd one out here, and surprise! It's the greatest season.
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Martha Stewart Undying posted:I rewatched it and had to stop part way through because, yeah, it is insanely gruesome. Easily the most gruesome thing I've seen outside of theaters and liveleak. I know you think that's a very clever response but, yes. "Why am I supposed to care about a bunch of random teens dying horrifically," If I saw a murder like that on the news then yeah, I'd be appalled but this is a constructed fantasy. We have to have a certain amount of investment in the characters. The final scene with Audrey trying and failing to kill Lee is, to me, a lot more affecting, because it's an endpoint that has been developed over the course of the season. She has clear motivation, we want her to succeed because we have witnessed the injustice that has been inflicted on her and she is killed by the people that should be helping her. It's not an amazing bit of storytelling but it is storytelling. If it was some random person who just ran in from off screen, shouted and then got shot it wouldn't work would it? “I recognize terror as the finest emotion and so I will try to terrorize the reader. But if I find that I cannot terrify, I will try to horrify, and if I find that I cannot horrify, I'll go for the gross-out. I'm not proud.”
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I don't know, I can find myself feeling emotions for a brutally killed character I barely know if it's done well. I thought the idea of these two innocent (but naive and pretty stupid) teens just stumbling into a horrible situation, these two really good friends each watching the other get impaled up the rear end and then lit on fire and dying in agony and pain before each other's eyes was horrifying. And it happens so suddenly, they're knocked flat and dragged off and then before they/we know it they're being hoisted up and burned alive. It was like that scene with the roadie in The Devil's Rejects. You barely know the guy, but he seems like a really cool guy and he has no idea what he's walked in on. Then he's just tossed down onto a bed and in one motion he's killed execution style. If you can portray a total non-character as a human being and not a stock stereotype then you can pull off a bystander kill and give it gravity. And I thought AHS did that pretty well with the teens.
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Nov 13, 2016 18:19
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When did the kids talk to the cop about the car wreck & body? It had to have been after they filmed it but the next scene w/ them says they posted the video 'an hour ago'.
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quote:From what I read it sounded like they just kinda sprung that on her at the last minute. Her character could have been an American actress just as easily and it would have sounded much less cheesy. I imagine this is because she's playing one more character and the audience needs help differentiating the three different versions of Sarah Paulson.
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GobiasIndustries posted:When did the kids talk to the cop about the car wreck & body? It had to have been after they filmed it but the next scene w/ them says they posted the video 'an hour ago'. They edited and posted it online after talking to the cop? They didn't say anywhere that they were livestreaming, and they probably had to edit away the hours of raw footage of themselves walking around seeing nothing exciting before they got to the ghost girl. It was told pretty linearly and logical. It's not very likely that someone who found a dead body in the woods would edit and post a vlog about it BEFORE contacting the police.
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kjetting posted:They edited and posted it online after talking to the cop? They didn't say anywhere that they were livestreaming, and they probably had to edit away the hours of raw footage of themselves walking around seeing nothing exciting before they got to the ghost girl. I don't know that they directly said they were livestreaming, but they did note at one point that footage came from one of their iCloud accounts which was storing a live feed.
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Nov 13, 2016 19:59
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Medullah posted:I don't know that they directly said they were livestreaming, but they did note at one point that footage came from one of their iCloud accounts which was storing a live feed. Yes, the final footage of them being impaled and burned alive was scraped of a file that was live fed to their iCloud after they died and the cameras were destroyed, because there's no other way "they" (whoever edited and published these tapes) could have gotten their hands on that footage. iCloud is a cloud storage service. The kids had a live stream to iCloud to back up their footage in case anything was to happen with the memory cards or cameras. This would also explain how they still had the footage after being questioned by the police, as you'd think that the police would confiscate the memory cards.
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Also remember that we're still watching an edited, curated show- the raw footage is being intercut and reordered by whoever discovered it.
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And I caught up. I agree with those saying that it was straight up torture porn. Basically everything since the three ladies with the Polks was just disgusting to watch. I understand it's supposed to be "real" so there aren't the convenient cutaways or obvious fakery like in the reenactment, but it is unnecessarily graphic. I really didn't need to see a whole bunch of people being tortured to understand they were being tortured. Same with the teenagers. Like I don't know who has put this footage together, but it has some title cards so it's presumably been edited for some audience and I don't know who that is that needs to see this in graphic detail.
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I rewatched the kid scenes and they actually do address going to the cops ("we need to prove to everyone that we're not liars") but it was immediately before Lee murdered the 1st kid so it definitely slipped my mind.
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Looks like the final episode's got Lana Winters? I thought that was just speculation, but holy poo poo. Still want to see Mott and Cricket though
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Those kids seemed completely unnecessary to the plot. They literally did nothing. Not even exposition. They existed purely to get impaled.
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King Vidiot posted:I don't know, I can find myself feeling emotions for a brutally killed character I barely know if it's done well. I thought the idea of these two innocent (but naive and pretty stupid) teens just stumbling into a horrible situation, these two really good friends each watching the other get impaled up the rear end and then lit on fire and dying in agony and pain before each other's eyes was horrifying. And it happens so suddenly, they're knocked flat and dragged off and then before they/we know it they're being hoisted up and burned alive. You're right that the Devil's Rejects scene is powerful, but isn't that the first time we see the family doing their thing? That scene is bolstered by it's location in the movie. It's like how Hitchcock used to have a relatively graphic murder scene early on to establish the killer's MO and then, having established that, was free to expand upon it in various ways while moving the plot forward. A fairer comparison would be having the stake scene at the end of the Devil's Rejects instead of them playing Freebird.
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Nov 14, 2016 02:34
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You know how every season is supposed to have clues about the next? What was the clue in Hotel about this season and any guesses for next season?
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Doltos posted:Those kids seemed completely unnecessary to the plot. They literally did nothing. Not even exposition. They existed purely to get impaled. Maybe having a forest right there they just wanted to do Blair Witch homage. And give Tassia Farminga a significant role that wouldn't take too long to shoot because she's a fan favorite.
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Doltos posted:Those kids seemed completely unnecessary to the plot. They literally did nothing. Not even exposition. They existed purely to get impaled. They brought the police in, who discovered the videos and dead bodies.
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OmegaBR posted:Part of me still expects an homage with the Millers and the fake Millers and the Chens and the colonists and the nurses and the slaves and gay Mott all gathered around the fire in the house, decorating a Christmas tree, in a touching family moment to end the season. I laughed aloud but must say, I can genuinely see them doing this with Thanksgiving. The whole colonist connection coupled with this time of year. It would be perfect. I didn't feel that the gruesome scenes from this last episode were any worse than Hotel/Asylum scenes. Then again I did watch this episode right after the Trump-ening, so I was kinda in the mood for dark stuff. I liked this season much more than the last 3 combined. I do think Ryan Murphy has the last episode to gently caress it all up though. Here's hoping he doesn't.
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KIT HAGS posted:You know how every season is supposed to have clues about the next? What was the clue in Hotel about this season and any guesses for next season? The psychic from season one who brought up Roanoke appeared in Hotel's finale. Maybe ghost Paulson's social media stuff hinting at a reality TV theme? Honestly I always thought these hints were a bit esoteric.
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I always thought all the press stuff with Murphy talking about hints or whatever was the guy just straight up bullshitting for the PR. He's always talked a good game about this kind of stuff, but I've always had a great deal of difficulty believing half of what he spins. He strikes me as the kind of guy who just says whatever comes to mind and then has to make it work later on. Presumably why every show he's ever run has so quickly become a disjointed mess.
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Doltos posted:Those kids seemed completely unnecessary to the plot. They literally did nothing. Not even exposition. They existed purely to get impaled. As has already been mentioned, the kids' narrative role was to force the police into action. Throughout the series they've been covering up the cannibal and ghost machinations at Roanoke. By posting a video, the kids make a cover-up impossible and move them towards the mansion. It also serves two other roles. Pragmatically, the kids change up the action and allow the writers to draw out the events of the Blood Moon. There's only so many times that you can watch Sarah Paulson scream at ghosts before it gets old. People were already complaining about the kills getting same-y after the last episode. Second, the kids let the writers reinforce the idea that "this is reality, not a movie!!!" Tassia and her friends all fulfill horror archetypes. In any other piece, Tassia would be the final girl whose curiosity and inventiveness lets her walk away mentally scarred but physically unharmed. Here, she is ceremonially impaled and set on fire. You keep expecting her to somehow get away and, instead, she gets brutally murdered. On a separate note, did the rigged scares ever come into play? I kept expecting the cast to accidentally trigger the explosive sink or the shattering glass, but I don't think they ever came into play.
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QuoProQuid posted:As has already been mentioned, the kids' narrative role was to force the police into action. Throughout the series they've been covering up the cannibal and ghost machinations at Roanoke. By posting a video, the kids make a cover-up impossible and move them towards the Doesn't the death of an entire TV cast crew, who are filming and presumably sending the footage somewhere already achieve this?
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Spermanent Record posted:Doesn't the death of an entire TV cast crew, who are filming and presumably sending the footage somewhere already achieve this? Wes Bentley's appearance suggests that no one thought anything was amiss with the show. There probably would have been questions eventually, but we really don't know how long it would have taken for someone to send a crew up there to look for survivors and get the film. In the meanwhile, the police would have been free to dispose of inconvenient evidence, as they apparently did with car crash lady. The police are only forced to do their job when it becomes obvious that they aren't QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 04:40 on Nov 14, 2016 |
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According to Dylan, he had been left at a motel for the past few days with little to no contact. It sounds like (unless there's yet another big twist coming, which has been claimed) all of the cast and crew who weren't absolutely necessary to the production were kept at arm's length back in town and only supposed to show up at specific times for their jobs (or in the case of tech people, contacted only if necessary to fix cameras or lights or something). If I'm remembering right, the morning where Aubrey and Lee are found is only the day 3 of filming.
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