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Peel posted:trump is even less popular than clinton, he's a widely despised man. but the republican vote just seems more stable in general and turning out more people is always useful voters that strongly disliked both trump and hillary voted for trump 2-1
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Nov 13, 2016 19:19
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Phi230 posted:GET REVENGE Frick the blue dogs
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Peel posted:theory: lena dunham, or whichever celebrity you dislike who endorsed clinton, had a neglibile effect on the election or a slightly positive effect among a demographic you aren't part of, while nobody else cared, and is a topic somehow even more pointless than relitigating the primary Clinton's lack of appeal and messaging to folks who aren't coastal liberals is important, imo
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Nov 13, 2016 19:19
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VOTE YES ON 69 posted:voters that strongly disliked both trump and hillary voted for trump 2-1 pretty much this sums up the election in it's entirety
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basically this https://twitter.com/freddiedeboer/status/796718450945232897
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Peel posted:trump is even less popular than clinton, he's a widely despised man. but the republican vote just seems more stable in general and turning out more people is always useful It's why there's the conventional wisdom that high turnout = democrat advantage. It's also why democrats generally have problems in mid-terms and got slaughtered in 2010, no one showed up.
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:Frick the blue dogs We'll make diamonds of their joes
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Nov 13, 2016 19:23
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we r all gunna die
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Nov 13, 2016 19:23
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iospace posted:The entirety of Trump's ground game was actually the GOP's. They had a ground game, but it wasn't run by the candidate himself. considering that right now 2018 is probably more important than 2020 to not only gain momentum but to prevent republicans from being able to call a constitutional convention and really gently caress things for good I hope that the first thing that happens is that dems abandon the notion that GOTV only matters every 4 years
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Nov 13, 2016 19:23
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fixing midterm turnout is a desperate issue for the democrats so godspeed with thatLinYutang posted:Clinton's lack of appeal and messaging to folks who aren't coastal liberals is important, imo fair (this is to everyone that said this or similar in response)
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Nov 13, 2016 19:24
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BeefThief posted:we r all gunna die 
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Gringostar posted:considering that right now 2018 is probably more important than 2020 to not only gain momentum but to prevent republicans from being able to call a constitutional convention and really gently caress things for good I hope that the first thing that happens is that dems abandon the notion that GOTV only matters every 4 years That is a long sentence but I agree. I also hope everyone keeps in mind that no ground game or surgically applied ads are going to move the general welfare forward without first repudiating the neoliberal policies that have been generating so much grief and unrest in the first place. Which yeah may be pointing out the obvious but it's not like another Trump wasn't going to come along eventually if only Hillary had given more speeches in Wisconsin.
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Also running ads in California or trying to run up the score by trying to flip less competitive Red states.
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Peel posted:fixing midterm turnout is a desperate issue for the democrats so godspeed with that Early or no-excuse absentee voting in all 50 states should be a major goal. It's easy to turn people out when there's minimal amount of friction in voting. Also voter ID laws are bullshit, and should be challenged in courts, but helping people get IDs and navigate any bullshit hoops they put up is something you can do at a ground level right away.
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Peel posted:fixing midterm turnout is a desperate issue for the democrats so godspeed with that the silver lining of trump as president is that because he's so hated it will be easier to get people to come out and try and flip / keep seats to at least get one branch of government back you just also need a message for working class people to vote for which has been the achillies heel of dems for 30 years
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Nov 13, 2016 19:31
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mrmcd posted:Early or no-excuse absentee voting in all 50 states should be a major goal. It's easy to turn people out when there's minimal amount of friction in voting. I'm a WA resident and I have to say, that ballot showing up in my mailbox once or twice a year with a handbook giving a quick rundown of everything on the ballot and a URL for more information is kinda great.
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Nov 13, 2016 19:34
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Gringostar posted:the silver lining of trump as president is that because he's so hated it will be easier to get people to come out and try and flip / keep seats to at least get one branch of government back loving everybody forgot to hit the "raising the minimum wage" issue.
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E: nm
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Gringostar posted:you just also need a message for working class people to vote for which has been the achillies heel of dems for 30 years Actions speak louder than words. I don't buy into the notion that Democrats have been advancing working class interests for the past few cycles but the working class is just too dumb to realize it. It would appear establishment Democrats haven't actually advanced those interests.
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Nov 13, 2016 19:36
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zen death robot posted:I've seen it a lot from certain posters but for gods sake if you live on the coasts stop looking down your noses on those of us that live in the Midwest. Yeah sure living in California would be great but the cost of living difference makes moving there prohibitive and I don't really want to be that far from my family even if they infuriate me from time to time  Plus, some of us have an attachment to where we live and would like to see it become something greater instead of abandoning them to ruin. It really pisses me off when I see dems saying "jobs just aren't coming back" like it's a tautology and expecting me to accept the hollowing out of places where our families have lived for a long time.
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Nov 13, 2016 19:38
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Gringostar posted:the silver lining of trump as president is that because he's so hated it will be easier to get people to come out and try and flip / keep seats to at least get one branch of government back this. the GOP and trump will gently caress the country including the poor whites in the rear end. if the dems at least try and play their cards right we can atleast get the presidency.
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death is certain face to this and go back to the shitfarms you god drat hick yucky
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Nov 13, 2016 19:39
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Who else can't wait for anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage and anti-flag burning and whatever else republicans have a hard one for amendments to the constitution? edit: gently caress the democrats, they sold us identity politics while also shipping those people up the god drat river edit: I mean after 2018
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New Proposed Amendment: Only Republicans can be politicians
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Nov 13, 2016 19:43
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now that trump is president we'll get some cool new wars to make video games out of
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logikv9 posted:New Proposed Amendment: Only Republicans can be politicians I mean outside of the coasts that is basically already true so sure why not
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Phi230 posted:now that trump is president we'll get some cool new wars to make video games out of Secretary of Space Newt Gringrich declares war on Moon
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Nov 13, 2016 19:45
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Raising the minimum wage is a good issue, but can't be the entirety of the economic policy for poor folks. People don't want a minimum wage job, they want a GOOD job. Having a minimum wage job means you failed at life to most people.
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more brilliant strategy from the establishment democrats who we totally shouldn't kick out https://twitter.com/fart/status/797872646536867840
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izagoof posted:So how good are Keith's chances looking right now? I know about Schumer, and now Harry Reid - anyone else on board? He has the backing of a little-known senator from Vermont !
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mrmcd posted:Re: ACA generating so much hatred. I think a big problem is the fact that even a decent but not amazing health plan you get from work is still gonna be $5-7k per year in premiums. Hell, even my not totally poo poo HDHP plan was like $4,500. Most people don't know that though, because most or all of it is usually paid by the employer and don't think about it unless they look up that information or have to deal with COBRA coverage. The ACA was slightly better than the mess that existed before it, but is in no way actually, you know, good. It's too complicated and once the supreme court made the Medicaid expansion optional, it went to complete poo poo in many places. Universal health care MUST be a priority with the next wave of Democrats. We can politely dicker about how we want to handle it (Canadian true single payer? Australia and UK style public/private? German private-but-heavily-regulated-with-subsidies?), about things like copays and deductibles (should there be a small amount charged for each prescription? A percentage up to a max or a flat fee? Maybe a small monthly deductible waivable above a certain income level?), and even what it covers to a small extent (if the pill and IUD's are covered, I'll wince and accept no coverage of abortion and the morning after pill). But it needs to be sitting front and center, and it needs to be CLEAR and EASY TO UNDERSTAND. Yes, Colorado, a state Dems won, voted down a UHC system by a 4-1 margin. Which makes it seem like a loser by both major parties. Keep in mind, though, that: 1) Colorado, especially the front range, has seen a massive influx of people recently due to a combination of jobs and legal pot. Rents and mortgages have skyrocketed, wages haven't kept up, and neither has infrastructure. We're wary of doing things that will cause this inflation to continue. We do not want to be America's guinea pig. 2) It would double the state budget. Which is kinda scary to a lot of people. But seeing it happen on a nationwide scale, when we already have Medicare and Medicaid, is less scary. 3) We accepted the Medicaid expansion. So while there are a lot of people unhappy with their coverage, most people have coverage. 4) TABOR! The taxpayers Bill of Rights. Thanks to this, we have NO rainy day fund. We can't operate at a loss. If the revenue brought in to cover the system isn't enough, we either have to amend the constitution AGAIN to get more money (possibly risking a full dismantling), or start cutting coverage and payments to doctors. Neither option is popular. I think a lot of people like the idea, but want it on a National level, not turned over to the states.
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Massachusetts has good healthcare, legal weed, and it's not too far from where I already live. Looks like I have a preferred destination in four years!
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