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Covok posted:https://twitter.com/igorvolsky/status/797957100160749568 Lugenpresse strikes again!
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Paul Ryan: Medicare Phase-Out will be first priority of new Congress. On the plus side angry old people might go bankrupt and die penniless? *posts picture of "Keep government out of my Medicare" Protesters
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Nov 14, 2016 01:38
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Rodenthar Drothman posted:I'm sorry, w-what did bibi say, exactly? quote:In a speech before the World Zionist Congress in Jerusalem, Netanyahu described a meeting between Husseini and Hitler in November, 1941: "Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jew. And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, 'If you expel them, they'll all come here (to Palestine).' According to Netanyahu, Hitler then asked: "What should I do with them?" and the mufti replied: "Burn them." http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.681525
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Paul Ryan: Medicare Phase-Out will be first priority of new Congress. whelp, bye old people
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Nov 14, 2016 01:39
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Paul Ryan: Medicare Phase-Out will be first priority of new Congress. Well, this means democrats will be in power soon. Once medicare and medicaid is removed, all the old voters will die off as well as the poor working class. Problem solved for democrats. /s Seriously, this is hosed up.
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Nov 14, 2016 01:39
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Jack2142 posted:On the plus side angry old people might go bankrupt and die penniless? These great and much improved plans are always designed to phase in so it won't effect people currently using them. The last time Ryan came up with this poo poo, it affected people 50 and younger.
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Nov 14, 2016 01:39
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Jack2142 posted:On the plus side angry old people might go bankrupt and die penniless? Everyone 55 and older gets to keep traditional Medicare. So, people who are 54 or younger right now will go bankrupt and die penniless in 10 years. No political backlash if it doesn't happen for 10 years!
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Nov 14, 2016 01:39
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I... That's... Good? I guess? Strap in, folks, because nobody has any idea what sort of ride this is going to be. Including, or especially, Donald.
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Nov 14, 2016 01:40
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Everyone 55 and older gets to keep traditional Medicare. So, people who are 54 or younger right now will go bankrupt and die penniless in 10 years. Damnit I should probably read things before shitposting, I want it to be accurate.
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Nov 14, 2016 01:40
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the black husserl posted:Everyone I know who cares about defending American freedoms in the face of a Trump autocracy is getting licensed and buying guns lol. In like three days its been a dozen people who never would have ever wanted to own a gun are getting training and going to the range. People aren't at all dumb about what's going on. They've been getting more and more freedoms since birth and they're legit worried someone is going to take those away. Juden here. I'm gonna start practicing with my rifles more, and am considering getting a ccw. Even though I know it's probably useless, but dammit... the hell are we supposed to do? Steve loving Bannon has the president's ear.
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Nov 14, 2016 01:40
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Nov 14, 2016 01:40
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Trump just said he wouldn't collect the Presidential Salary. He said he'd collect $1. Now he's probably full of poo poo, but Jesus Christ this man knows what people want to hear. If Democrats can learn anything from him, it's how to talk to the working class. Hillary would've hmm'd and haw'd around that question and given a non-answer.
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Nov 14, 2016 01:40
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i mean trump and the clintons were friends before so it's not the most surprising thing ever. still, gonna piss off the people he voted big time seriously dems, if we can't get some momentum in 2018 we're dead in the water as a party
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Nov 14, 2016 01:40
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Josef bugman posted:Do you think they will care? Because I don't see most of the GOP heads just bending the knee. They'll let him do speeches and ignore him. He won. They're going to follow his every move for now, because he demonstrated that he knows better how to win than they do. Lightning Knight posted:I regret writing that post because now it's the center of attention. That's the whole problem. The last few times major economic problems and shifts swept through the rural areas, lots of people left and went to the cities, because that's where the jobs were. That's how we got so much of the population concentrated in the cities in the first place - as agricultural life became economically unviable for more and more people, they packed up and left. This time, though, the people still out there in the rural areas don't seem to be willing to do that, and insist that the jobs be brought to them.
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Mahoning posted:Trump just said he wouldn't collect the Presidential Salary. He said he'd collect $1. He already earned 8 years of presidential salaries renting out his own properties to the RNC during the campaign, his salary is peanuts.
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Okay, while still really bad, it's not as bad as the "Hitler did nothing wrong"-esque statement you had hinted at. Still loving  though.Like, even if it's true, who the gently caress cares?
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Nov 14, 2016 01:44
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Also, just lol at "serious policy wonk" Paul Ryan saying that Medicare price bargaining will bankrupt Medicare. It's literally the exact opposite and he knows it and is not called out on it.
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Nov 14, 2016 01:44
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Also, just lol at "serious policy wonk" Paul Ryan saying that Medicare price bargaining will bankrupt Medicare. It's literally the exact opposite and he knows it and is not called out on it. The article linked does call him out on it actually now that I am reading it to inform my angry shitposting.
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Nov 14, 2016 01:45
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Breaking: Donald Trump doesn't want to prosecute his personal friends just because of something he said in a table top RPG session that got way out of hand.
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Nov 14, 2016 01:45
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Main Paineframe posted:He won. They're going to follow his every move for now, because he demonstrated that he knows better how to win than they do. there's always going to be people that want to stay with their homes. by forcing everyone into big economic centers and leaving the people behind to rot, you give them a lot of power in our political system and turn them against you. seriously, never frame it as they want jobs brought to them. i myself want to see my state revitalized, not handed out free pity jobs or something. i'd like there to be a real source of pride in my state, as small and inconsequential as it may be. please don't treat me like i'm a spoiled child just because i want to see the place i grew up in and the people i grew up with prosper
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Nov 14, 2016 01:45
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Ice Phisherman posted:I'm usually down with someone with military experience on the ticket as they not only know how to lead, but also how to be lead as well. Though I'd like someone with recent military experience. Sandbox experience. Tammy Duckworth might be someone the dems can run as she has military experience written not all over her body (as she lost two legs and nearly an arm) but comes from a military family that stretches back in an unbroken line all the way back to the US Revolutionary War. I'm wary about running yet another woman though. Not because I'm sexist, but because I think it hurt more than it helped Hillary. There was so little talk from pundits about how she'd be the first woman president. No one seemed to care. I can definitely get behind a general all comers brutal primary. We need as many people in there trying. Not some loving coronation. In fact Keith Ellison should put some explicit rules to prevent anything like the 2016 primary from happening. Also even if it fails the dems should start by any attempts to destroy SS and Medicare being a redline. If Third way tries to pull the poo poo it did in 2005. Announce officially that third way is permanently being severed from the Democratic party and is considered a enemy. @Condiv, where are you from if I may ask?
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Nov 14, 2016 01:46
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I... That's... This is consistent with Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Now that he's established dominance he's conciliatory.
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Nov 14, 2016 01:47
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Rodenthar Drothman posted:Okay, while still really bad, it's not as bad as the "Hitler did nothing wrong"-esque statement you had hinted at. Beats me. I didn't mean to imply that bibi said that Hitler did nothing wrong, but downplaying the Nazi's as "Well, they just wanted to expel us at first, but those Palestinian Muslims told them to burn us instead!" is hosed up. Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Also, just lol at "serious policy wonk" Paul Ryan saying that Medicare price bargaining will bankrupt Medicare. It's literally the exact opposite and he knows it and is not called out on it. Hey, if you let Medicare negotiate prices, what next? The Pentagon negotiating pricing with Lockheed and Northrop?
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Nov 14, 2016 01:47
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Additional Paul Ryan shittiness: They are suspending the debt ceiling for the first two years of the Trump Presidency to "give him room to maneuver to help us recover from the Obama era debt crisis." "Principle" right out the window as soon as possible. But he is a very humble, serious, and non-partisan person.
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Nov 14, 2016 01:47
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Jack2142 posted:On the plus side angry old people might go bankrupt and die penniless? I'm pretty sure they're going to do something that lets everyone with Medicare now to keep it. It'll just be the rest of us who go without it.
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Nov 14, 2016 01:48
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If I were the leader of a US ally I'd be taking notes; you can probably get Trump to agree to maintain the status quo so long as you fete him like a king.
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Nov 14, 2016 01:48
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Yeah, I'm considering arming myself too. Not to engage in rebellion or any of that bullshit, but for self defense against right wing paramilitaries.
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Nov 14, 2016 01:49
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Rodenthar Drothman posted:Okay, while still really bad, it's not as bad as the "Hitler did nothing wrong"-esque statement you had hinted at. He's trying to blame Arabs for the Shoah so that ethnically cleansing the Palestinians is more palatable.
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Nov 14, 2016 01:49
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So what would Bannon most likely do as Chief Strategist? Isn't Trump strongly in favor of Israel?
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By the way, remember that "The GOP will now turn on each other because they aren't united" thing I was talking about? This is what I was talking about. The conservative factions in the GOP whose base is largely old white people will be very reluctant to cut medicare; the idea of doing so is entirely a pet project of the Libertarian wing led by Paul Ryan.
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Nov 14, 2016 01:50
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Fojar38 posted:By the way, remember that "The GOP will now turn on each other because they aren't united" thing I was talking about? This is what I was talking about. The conservative factions in the GOP whose base is largely old white people will be very reluctant to cut medicare; the idea of doing so is entirely a pet project of the Libertarian wing led by Paul Ryan.
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Fojar38 posted:By the way, remember that "The GOP will now turn on each other because they aren't united" thing I was talking about? This is what I was talking about. The conservative factions in the GOP whose base is largely old white people will be very reluctant to cut medicare; the idea of doing so is entirely a pet project of the Libertarian wing led by Paul Ryan. Literally every Republican house member and 52 current Senators voted for the Ryan budget. It is not controversial at all in the caucus. There was a minor revolt by 50+ house members because the Ryan budget didn't go far enough, because it let people 55+ keep traditional medicare and phased in his tax cuts over 6 years.
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I'm curious about a couple things in regards to the presidents regular life. Does he get to choose their own doctor? Are their tax returns secret? The President is probably the most public figure in America, and I feel like as President, Trump won't be able to hide a lot of the stuff he could when he was private. I know that it isn't illegal for the President to run a business at the same time, though its considered skeevy as hell, but we all know the Republicans don't give a poo poo about it. Though will the people? I guess it depends on if the press corps are completely shut out everything, which is completely possible.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Everyone 55 and older gets to keep traditional Medicare. So, people who are 54 or younger right now will go bankrupt and die penniless in 10 years. Yup, and all the "savings" from his budget don't kick in until 10 years. Instead if true to plan, we get much larger deficits for many years until most of the older folks who have real, actual medicare die off, and that's only assuming Republicans somehow manage to not find some other thing to waste money on like the Iraq War. The best part of the article is the broken record "Obamacare Obamacare Obamacare". Hey rear end in a top hat, who wrote and passed the Medicare Modernization act of 2003? Not Obama. Republicans. Republicans made medicare way more expensive, by giving seniors prescription drug coverage but letting the public get loving gouged on drug prices by banning re-importation. The AARP came out strongly against the Ryan budget the last time, maybe them and progressive can come out and really shake those assholes up. If there's a time to filibuster, it's this poo poo.
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Just said he's keeping the pre-existing condition aspect of Obamacare and the age kids can stay on their parents insurance. I know none of us believe him but he's doing a really good job of convincing a lot of America that maybe isn't as woke that he's not going to be a nut job with his finger constantly on the nuke buttons.
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Nov 14, 2016 01:53
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Nov 14, 2016 01:54
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What would it take to allow the military to fire on American citizens on US soil, out of curiousity?
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Condiv posted:there's always going to be people that want to stay with their homes. by forcing everyone into big economic centers and leaving the people behind to rot, you give them a lot of power in our political system and turn them against you. So here's the thing. If you can't take something out of the ground where you live and sell it to people elsewhere, then there is no reason to be there. Now we can give you money and you guys can trade it amongst yourselves while buying things from elsewhere and letting it pour out of your economy again, and we can rinse and repeat. And I'm fine with doing that to some extent. But now that's not good enough for you. You demand that some sort of "real" job be created. Like I have to build a time machine and go bury something worthwhile in your back yard and if we don't we're mean.
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lmao, maybe you should of mentioned this when your crowds were chanting "LOCK HER UP LOCK HER UP!" 
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