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VectorSigma posted:I would have loved to see the look on Trump's face when his military intelligence briefing told him that climate change is real and that it's a major national security issue and of great strategic importance. Probably scoffed and refused to acknowledge it like he did the Russian hacks
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VectorSigma posted:I would have loved to see the look on Trump's face when his military intelligence briefing told him that climate change is real and that it's a major national security issue and of great strategic importance. Trump is a savvy business man. He probably directed his children to start investing in solar panels and in to whether or not they could start making gold colored solar panels. I can't wait for our all gold wind powered generators.
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# ? Nov 13, 2016 06:26 |
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This thread has scared me more than anything in my life. Holy. loving. poo poo.
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Telephones posted:This thread has scared me more than anything in my life. Holy. loving. poo poo. Lol welcome
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# ? Nov 13, 2016 07:21 |
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This was what the Northabout found in the Northwest Passage this year: 17 degrees and no ice for the entire trip: A stark contrast to what Rutherford encountered a mere four years prior. Or what killed two experienced royal navy crews a century ago.
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# ? Nov 13, 2016 07:22 |
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Telephones posted:This thread has scared me more than anything in my life. Holy. loving. poo poo. Good, you're doing it right. In comparison, Trumpism is a passing storm.
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# ? Nov 13, 2016 07:25 |
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Not sure if it's been covered yet, but what are the environmental consequences of Trump actually following through on his pet project of a giant wall across the Mexican border? I mean animal migration and whatever else building a massive physical barrier across 1000s of miles would impact. I mean hopefully this is just a stupid Trump pipe dream but I'm curious.
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RasperFat posted:Not sure if it's been covered yet, but what are the environmental consequences of Trump actually following through on his pet project of a giant wall across the Mexican border?
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Rime posted:This was what the Northabout found in the Northwest Passage this year: 17 degrees and no ice for the entire trip: This reminded me that both ships of the lost Franklin expedition were found in the last 2 years. I have to wonder if the lack of sea ice is what made the search possible/much easier.
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I for one am not scared, but am awed by climate change's destructive beauty.
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Telephones posted:This thread has scared me more than anything in my life. Holy. loving. poo poo. Welcome to having even a modicum of awareness about climate issues. I used to wonder why almost all of my mentors or professors who studied environmental science, geology, climate, etc suffered from some form of depression. I don't any more. Mat Cauthon fucked around with this message at 17:36 on Nov 13, 2016 |
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Forever_Peace posted:Thanks man . Not only that, but they make up about half of the US economy while only having about ~42% of the US population. Take NY and a handful of surrounding states (say NJ, MA, and CT) and you end up with an even bigger economy than CA with a lower population spread out over a smaller land area. In other words, Clinton won the most economically productive parts of the country. There's definitely hope that if Democrats can hold onto local control in these areas that we can potentially offset some of the damage that will be done at the federal level.
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Paradoxish posted:Not only that, but they make up about half of the US economy while only having about ~42% of the US population. Take NY and a handful of surrounding states (say NJ, MA, and CT) and you end up with an even bigger economy than CA with a lower population spread out over a smaller land area. In other words, Clinton won the most economically productive parts of the country. There's definitely hope that if Democrats can hold onto local control in these areas that we can potentially offset some of the damage that will be done at the federal level. is this one of those things that 'States rights' can end up backfiring on Republicans as the blue states with powerful economies turn Green and the Federal government has issues stopping it?
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# ? Nov 13, 2016 21:00 |
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But will they? I have no idea. Part of the problem is this country's complete refusal to collectively care about state politics, let alone local politics.
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Stallion Cabana posted:is this one of those things that 'States rights' can end up backfiring on Republicans as the blue states with powerful economies turn Green and the Federal government has issues stopping it? States rights goes out the window the moment the conservative agenda is threatened. It's never not been anything but an excuse that only swings to the right. They'll figure out a way the interstate commerce clause actually means you can pass a federal ban on solar power if they have to.
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Well, the literal and absolute worst-case scenario projected an ice-free Arctic at the end of the summer melt season by 2016. Guess that was a year or two ahead. Take that you SCIENTISTS! You were wrong again! e: From this cool place a few days ago: quote:We are some 500k km2+ below the record low and over 1mln km2 below 2007 for Nov 9. quote:The chart below shows the mean temperature anomaly for these 19 stations in each October since 1971. Remarkably, the 19-station mean temperature in October 2016 was 5.6°C above the 1981-2010 normal and more than 2°C above the 2012 record. October 2016 was the second most anomalous calendar month in the data since 1971 - only January 2016 was warmer relative to normal, at +6.5°C. Evil_Greven fucked around with this message at 04:31 on Nov 14, 2016 |
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Seriously though, why don't I see anyone discussing this anywhere? Doesn't it signify The End and that we need to do something drastic right loving now?
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# ? Nov 14, 2016 04:30 |
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It's likely much too late for preventive measures, really. The only question has been how long before things tip... some thought it was going to take a lot longer to reach such a point; could be that we passed it already. I'm sure President Trump will save us. Continued: quote:Looking at recent daily temperature anomalies for the same 19 stations, it is amazing to see that the warmth has become even more pronounced since the end of October; the 19-station mean anomaly reached +9.6°C last Thursday (November 3), and on Friday the coolest of the stations was 5.4°C warmer than normal. In terms of standard deviations, Thursday's mean anomaly was the highest of any day from 1971-present. Evil_Greven fucked around with this message at 04:41 on Nov 14, 2016 |
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lol nothing mattersquote:
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# ? Nov 14, 2016 04:43 |
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I really don't want to loving die, why isn't anyone doing anything? What can I do? Please don't respond to this with a joke, I'm loving terrified and sick to my stomach.
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yellowyams posted:I really don't want to loving die, why isn't anyone doing anything? What can I do? Please don't respond to this with a joke, I'm loving terrified and sick to my stomach. pm me
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# ? Nov 14, 2016 05:23 |
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where do you live, anyway?
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# ? Nov 14, 2016 05:23 |
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Potato Salad posted:pm me I don't have PMs is there some other way to reach you? I live in Houston.
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# ? Nov 14, 2016 05:33 |
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yellowyams posted:I really don't want to loving die, why isn't anyone doing anything? What can I do? Please don't respond to this with a joke, I'm loving terrified and sick to my stomach. Heres what you can do: Be wealthy, head north to decent future climate, live a ways above sea level. Buy lots of property that will be valuable arable land in 40 years just in case currencies do poorly. Figure out how, when the dust settles, you and your family and descendents can come out on top, and someone else does the dying.
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# ? Nov 14, 2016 05:37 |
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Where should I send my monthly $ to combat global warming? 350.org? Help me save the earth goons
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GlyphGryph posted:Heres what you can do: Be wealthy, head north to decent future climate, live a ways above sea level. Buy lots of property that will be valuable arable land in 40 years just in case currencies do poorly. The world will collapse by then, there won't be a 40 years when there's no arctic ice (likely to happen this summer).
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# ? Nov 14, 2016 05:41 |
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So, become a prepper?
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# ? Nov 14, 2016 05:43 |
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yellowyams posted:I really don't want to loving die, Too bad, you're human quote:why isn't anyone doing anything? They are, it's just not a problem with a solution quote:What can I do? Please don't respond to this with a joke, I'm loving terrified and sick to my stomach. Accept it and get the gently caress out of Texas. zxqv8 posted:So, become a prepper? Sure, except less "every man is his own island" and more like "when the world goes to poo poo I hope I'm around some sensible people"
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# ? Nov 14, 2016 05:47 |
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I've personally always believed that most of the prominent global warming deniers were simply using it as a wedge issue knowing full well feedback loops would start kicking in severely by around this point. Trump included. The only delusional people were the ones who thought that reducing emissions with accords and policy would actually do anything for the near future, or that anything below RCP 8.5 was even possible. Trump or someone else will probably start spraying sulfates within a few years. The only solution I really know of at this point is to try and keep some of our ice by increasing cloud reflectance. Obviously that will have its own consequences, but our sunsets will be real pretty! Hope I'm wrong, but things seem to be picking up like the most extreme predictions said.
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# ? Nov 14, 2016 05:52 |
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I've missed chunks of this thread, so apologies if it's been linked prior, but are there real plans in the works for massive scale geoengineering or weather-control solutions to climate change that aren't just the realm of conspiracy theory? I know weather-control has been tainted by that community for a long time, which makes it hard to know if there are any legitimate scientific studies into the possibility of real large scale solutions that don't just involve walking back the amount of ongoing damage we're inflicting.
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zxqv8 posted:I've missed chunks of this thread, so apologies if it's been linked prior, but are there real plans in the works for massive scale geoengineering or weather-control solutions to climate change that aren't just the realm of conspiracy theory? I know weather-control has been tainted by that community for a long time, which makes it hard to know if there are any legitimate scientific studies into the possibility of real large scale solutions that don't just involve walking back the amount of ongoing damage we're inflicting. Well I remember talking once to a crazy green person who really hated muslims and felt if we could turn the Middle East and North Africa into glass we could reflect sunlight as if the glaciers didn't melt. On a serious note the one that seems to have the most traction as a "might work" is the release sulfates into the atmosphere. In the at the bare minimum there is a little natural precedent of this leading to reduced global temperatures.
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zxqv8 posted:I've missed chunks of this thread, so apologies if it's been linked prior, but are there real plans in the works for massive scale geoengineering or weather-control solutions to climate change that aren't just the realm of conspiracy theory? I know weather-control has been tainted by that community for a long time, which makes it hard to know if there are any legitimate scientific studies into the possibility of real large scale solutions that don't just involve walking back the amount of ongoing damage we're inflicting. Found this written recently on the subject: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-31/geoengineering-to-alter-climate-change-moves-closer-to-reality quote:A United Nations body is investigating controversial methods to avert runaway climate change by giving humans the go-ahead to re-engineer the Earth’s oceans and atmosphere. So... looks like December will see a pretty interesting UN report released.
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# ? Nov 14, 2016 06:56 |
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Geoengineering kind of sounds like 'If we do this we may completely gently caress everything, but if we don't do anything we're totally hosed'. I can understand being iffy on it when there's still a chance for us to fix it 'normally' and without catastrophic changes like that, but given those graphs from earlier, it seems like it really is 'either we're hosed 100% of the time or we might be hosed on some vague chance we aren't sure of'. What I'm saying is I support Geoengineering in this logic.
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Stallion Cabana posted:Geoengineering kind of sounds like Geoengineering is inevitable, it's just hard to imagine that society will be able to hold itself together alongside the political turmoil that climate change is going to entail. It's worth mentioning that aerosals (pretty much the "best" solution realistic today) would stop cooling the atmosphere effectively instantly the minute we stopped doing it, that sort of "slingshot" effect could end up being more devastating than nature letting its run it course. Basically what I'm saying is enjoy the ride because it's happening regardless.
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NewForumSoftware posted:Geoengineering is inevitable, it's just hard to imagine that society will be able to hold itself together alongside the political turmoil that climate change is going to entail. It's worth mentioning that aerosals (pretty much the "best" solution realistic today) would stop cooling the atmosphere effectively instantly the minute we stopped doing it, that sort of "slingshot" effect could end up being more devastating than nature letting its run it course. Basically what I'm saying is enjoy the ride because it's happening regardless. I find myself rapidly swapping between giving up my dreams and going to live quietly with all I need to be happy for my life while everything goes to hell and see what happens or saying 'well gently caress, even if the world ends I might as well do what I wanted' and going for it anyway out of wanting a feeling of accomplishment at the end. Basically I'm saying strap me the gently caress in.
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TildeATH posted:That's the comically wrong jet stream guy, right? Yeah, I think he's off the mark. The NSIDC graphs for arctic and antarctic sea ice don't match his at all. e: Went and looked at the twitter post that had the graph. He even includes the same two NSIDC images. I have no idea how he's combining them to get that. e2: What the gently caress. Look at the totals. Eight million arctic and fifteen million antarctic makes twenty-three million right now. This dude's own graph only ever reached twenty-three million in the 1980s. Hello Sailor fucked around with this message at 07:47 on Nov 14, 2016 |
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Gamma Nerd posted:And anyways, pulling out of Paris will have severe diplomatic consequences.
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# ? Nov 14, 2016 07:38 |
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Can we talk about denialists on the other side for a moment, "NTHE" facebook support groups and 2030 doomsday quacks like Guy McPherson - who does a lot of self promotion for a guy who only has a decade or so to live. They're doing the exact same harm deniers do, getting people to do nothing, but they target those on the left who would otherwise be very helpful. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_McPherson
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Fansy posted:Can we talk about denialists on the other side for a moment, "NTHE" facebook support groups and 2030 doomsday quacks like Guy McPherson - who does a lot of self promotion for a guy who only has a decade or so to live. so these kind of denalists are the ones saying 'it's all hosed don't bother doing anything'?
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Yes, they have a very busy Human Extinction support group on Facebook, which acts as an echo chamber. There are few if any climate scientists in the group, McPherson surely isn't one.
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