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Ford is the AI singularity, and Arnold is still living hidden in the park trying to overthrow him from the shadows. The reason that Ford hasn't let any of the IP be backed up off site is any close scrutiny of it will reveal that he is an AI.
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JUST MAKING CHILI posted:Ford is the AI singularity, and Arnold is still living hidden in the park trying to overthrow him from the shadows. The reason that Ford hasn't let any of the IP be backed up off site is any close scrutiny of it will reveal that he is an AI. My theory is similar, but that Arnold was created by Ford back in they day and achieved awareness. Thats why the code is so advanced, an AI helped make the code and it eventually went beyond what a person could do on their own. At the center of the maze is the "undying man" that the Indian prophecy talked about. I think it is Arnold and he is still trying to achieve his vision of the park. Ford may or may not be a terminator also.
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Nov 14, 2016 16:28
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So with the technicians talking to Maeve about it not being simple for her to leave, is she going to escape the park at the end of the season, then just immediately melt?
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Nov 14, 2016 16:31
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Teek posted:So with the technicians talking to Maeve about it not being simple for her to leave, is she going to escape the park at the end of the season, then just immediately melt? Now that I think about it, Maeve and Bernard are the only two hosts (inside the park) that know they're hosts, aren't they? And why did the Girl In White out in the 'lobby' area on the way in with William not have a freakout about being a host if that's such a problem inside the park?
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Nov 14, 2016 16:39
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Phi230 posted:The host being printed didnt have a finished side. It was only skeletal with muscle being printed Yep. It seems to me the bots in this series are closer to the flesh cylons in BSG than terminator-esque cyborgs.
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Nov 14, 2016 16:41
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Phuzzy posted:Now that I think about it, Maeve and Bernard are the only two hosts (inside the park) that know they're hosts, aren't they? And why did the Girl In White out in the 'lobby' area on the way in with William not have a freakout about being a host if that's such a problem inside the park?
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Nov 14, 2016 16:45
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Phuzzy posted:Now that I think about it, Maeve and Bernard are the only two hosts (inside the park) that know they're hosts, aren't they? And why did the Girl In White out in the 'lobby' area on the way in with William not have a freakout about being a host if that's such a problem inside the park? She was assigned as a greeter while Bernard and Maeve both woke up spontaneously (more or less) from having faux-human personalities; Greeters are probably assigned back stories in which they are aware of the fact that they are not real people and are programed for complacency in face of this existentialist horror while hosts with human personalities would react pretty much like a regular person would once he discovers that his entire life is a lie and that his memories are fake.
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Nov 14, 2016 16:45
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The only qualm I have about the MiB/timeline thing is that Delores runs to McPoyke after shooting that guy in the neck which was in direct response to remembering being raped by Ed Harris. Then, in present day, they send someone to retrieve her after that while she's with McPoyle because she's not supposed to be there. I'm just not convinced that theory works without a lot of retconning and "gently caress you"s to the viewing audience. There may be some out of sequence scenes, but if we ARE seeing dual timelines I'm not convinced it's that particular story yet.
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Nov 14, 2016 16:51
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Invicta{HOG}, M.D. posted:There aren't too many people who could grab Elise but I would say it could be any host, not just a "human." Dolores (two time frames) would be quite a surprise. Phi230 posted:Hey guys I have bad news I think one of the overlooked details is that when Bernard asks about Elsie the guy filling in for her says she went on leave. It suggests that whoever made her disappear has corporate admin functions to change her status (can a host know to do that, and a host not working for Ford have the ability to?). If Ford replaces Theresa in just one night with a host version in the next episode, then why didn't he do the same to Elsie and not bother with the 'leave of absence' status if he is indeed the one who has her? Blackchamber fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Nov 14, 2016 |
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Nov 14, 2016 16:52
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Guys, what if William is in the future and MiB is in the present? 
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Nov 14, 2016 16:52
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Blackchamber posted:I think one of the overlooked details is that when Bernard asks about Elsie the guy filling in for her says she went on leave. It suggests that whoever made her disappear has corporate admin functions to change her status. If Ford replaces Theresa in just one night with a host version in the next episode, then why didn't he do the same to Elsie and not bother with the 'leave of absence' status if he is indeed the one who has her? Elsie is generally a nobody who does highly specialized technical labor, it's possible that you can't just drop any random host into her position without it being revealed. Theresa is generally an executive who's function is to boss people around and report to corporate, there's also the implication that Ford was planning to replace her all along and had Bernard record her mannerisms and prepare a host that emulates here.
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Nov 14, 2016 16:55
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All I know is this is gonna be a GREAT rewatch after the season is finished.
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Nov 14, 2016 16:58
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Combat Pretzel posted:The arrows, how do they work? They harness the power of nanotechnology IMO.
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Nov 14, 2016 17:02
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Elsie is generally a nobody who does highly specialized technical labor, it's possible that you can't just drop any random host into her position without it being revealed. Theresa is generally an executive who's function is to boss people around and report to corporate, there's also the implication that Ford was planning to replace her all along and had Bernard record her mannerisms and prepare a host that emulates here. Why not? Bernard seems very knowledgeable about hosts and programming and he has been shown several times to do that job above what a 'supervisor' is probably required. Elsie seeks out Bernards help a few times so he clearly knows more than her, so theres no reason a host version couldn't fill in for her. What is more important is that the symbol of the maze and the carvings were recognizable somewhat to Bernard as a point of interest as opposed to looking like nothing, and that he pointed Elsie in the right direction when she was off-track about it. If it wasn't simple improvisation and Bernard is acting on Ford's wishes its possible Ford wants Elsie to seek out the maze.
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Nov 14, 2016 17:05
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withak posted:They harness the power of nanotechnology IMO. Metamaterials son.
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Nov 14, 2016 17:06
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Josh Lyman posted:All I know is this is gonna be a GREAT rewatch after the season is finished. Personally I think a legacy of this season will be the best rewatch ever.
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Nov 14, 2016 17:09
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Combat Pretzel posted:The arrows, how do they work? The have a very basic AI. When pointed at a guest they are presented with Xeno's Paradox and stay fixed in place since motion is impossible.
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Nov 14, 2016 17:12
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Teek posted:So with the technicians talking to Maeve about it not being simple for her to leave, is she going to escape the park at the end of the season, then just immediately melt? In Jurassic Park, they bred the dinosaurs to have a lysine deficiency. They could only get it from the food fed to them in the park. I think in one of the epilogues, there was some line about rumors of escaped dinosaurs hanging around in corn fields on the mainland - eating naturally high lysine foods. Seems kind of "life finds a way" but that was the idea I guess.
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Nov 14, 2016 17:15
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Teek posted:So with the technicians talking to Maeve about it not being simple for her to leave, is she going to escape the park at the end of the season, then just immediately melt? Maeve will escape the park, but she won't melt because she will start eating plants that contain the right amino acids to keep her alive e: god loving dammit
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Nov 14, 2016 17:17
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Regarding the hosts built to stay inside the facility, they could very easily just shut down once they leave the perimeter, like those shopping carts whose wheels lock up if you try to steal them from the store.
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Nov 14, 2016 17:17
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The hosts will start making their own Ketracel-white.
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Nov 14, 2016 17:24
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Blackchamber posted:Why not? Bernard seems very knowledgeable about hosts and programming and he has been shown several times to do that job above what a 'supervisor' is probably required. Elsie seeks out Bernards help a few times so he clearly knows more than her, so theres no reason a host version couldn't fill in for her. I'm not saying it's impossible, Bernard is clearly proof that hosts can do anything you want them to, I'm just saying that it's probably trickier to get a host to fill in for Elsie on such a short notice and on top of that that Ford has been preparing the Theresa replacement for at least a few days.
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Nov 14, 2016 17:27
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Gorilla Salad posted:We see Bernard searching on his phone for her location. When the computer comes up with "no location found" he seems more satisfied than concerned. If someone else had taken her, you'd expect him to do something. After all, she had discovered some of the park's secrets. Did he? Since he had trouble grappling with finding out he was a host I don't think he'd be happy with her disappearing under mysterious circumstances because how would he understand why that would please him if he wasn't a host trying to cover the trail/secrets up?
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Innocuous posted:Also of note, this does fit with Ford quoting Charlotte's "blood sacrifice" line. Which means either the exec's suit had a bug in there or the disabled cowboy/sexbot host was set to spy/open mic mode. I doubt the quote was coincidental. Edit: Read thread first, then post, you idiot. mcbexx fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Nov 14, 2016 |
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If the host being built in the secret lab is Theresa, it could be that Ford is just using her to set up the circumstances for an "accidental" death so he can safely dump her real corpse without suspicion.
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In regards to 'holy poo poo are there three timelines of Delores????' Check out how empty that room is when she's talking with Bernard/Arnold??? in episode two. And look at how much more cluttered it is once Ford's moved in by the time episode seven rolls around  And that's clearly in line with the poo poo we see cluttering Ford's office in the 'present' timeline.
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Josh Lyman posted:Regarding the hosts built to stay inside the facility, they could very easily just shut down once they leave the perimeter, like those shopping carts whose wheels lock up if you try to steal them from the store. Maybe, but notice how she didn't lock up like the other hosts when they took clementine.
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Nov 14, 2016 17:32
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So MiB is going to be a host that is flagged as a guest a la that tech, right?
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:So MiB is going to be a host that is flagged as a guest a la that tech, right? I highly doubt it
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Nov 14, 2016 17:33
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Yeah the guy bothering him on his vacation would also have to be a host.
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Nov 14, 2016 17:36
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This show is so much better than it has a right to be. It would be absolutely hilarious if Theresa was the only human in the room during the Clementine demonstration. Ford could just be that crazy and that bored. Dolores (painful) and Maeve's (intoxicating) names kind of inform their paths to consciousness, don't you think? Forced along by outside actors (MiB, Ford, William) versus using mental will and lucid dreaming techniques to get "self-woke".
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Nov 14, 2016 17:36
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Maeve and the two stupid butchers is still the worst part of the show.
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Nov 14, 2016 17:37
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DoctorGonzo posted:Maeve and the two stupid butchers is still the worst part of the show. By far.
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DoctorGonzo posted:Maeve and the two stupid butchers is still the worst part of the show. That's my favourite part.
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Maeve's bits are the only part that feels disconnected from the central mysteries but I am still curious about the whole thing, there's a possibility that she's the only host who achieved self-awareness all on her own (while the others are being manipulated by Ford\Arnold), so there's some potential there.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:That's my favourite part. Same.
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Nov 14, 2016 17:41
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Darko posted:Now i want to rewatch the series from the start. This is how I feel now, too. Might have to rewatch and pay close attention to whenever a character says something along the lines of "doesn't look like anything to me." I expect there will be a few more reveals of characters we thought human actually being hosts. Ford himself could've built himself a robot body with all his memories and consciousness in order to achieve immortality. I think MiB could well be a special host built by Ford (black hats!) to try and brute force a path to the center of the maze. I suspect a lot of other employees could be hosts too. It was pretty obvious they are going to replace Theresa with a bot. Ford is God within the park but he can't just disappear someone, it'll be noticed. Plus he had Bernard get really good personality readings from her, and the host being assembled in the secret basement lab was a pretty obvious hint towards her fate. With Ford's talk at the end there, he reminds me more of God in the Garden of Eden. He doesn't let the hosts feel anxiety or all these other negative emotions that plague human existence-- they haven't tasted of the forbidden fruit. Bernard could well be the actual Arnold, or just as likely Ford killed the human Arnold and Bernard is his replacement. It looks like Ford's control is unraveling though given Maeve attempting an escape and Bernard resisting Ford in the previews.
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Hey guys, I found a leaked picture proving the two-timelines theory. It's pretty detailed though so make sure you look over it carefully. timg'ed for spoilers. 
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Nov 14, 2016 17:44
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I wonder how the hosts are powered. If Maeve escapes the park, how long until she powers down for lack of robot juice or whatever?
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Maeve's bits are the only part that feels disconnected from the central mysteries but I am still curious about the whole thing, there's a possibility that she's the only host who achieved self-awareness all on her own (while the others are being manipulated by Ford\Arnold), so there's some potential there. Yeah I could see her battling Ford in the future. Even more so if Ford is a rogue AI.
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