|
HannibalBarca posted:
Of it makes you feel better, Hillary was so bad she probably would've lost to anyone. Except maybe Jeb.
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2016 16:16
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 24, 2024 17:12 |
|
|
punk rebel ecks posted:How did the Democrats gently caress up THIS BAD!? I kinda of found my answer.
|
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2016 16:16
|
|
|
Tim Canova ain't too big on Ellison for DNC chair. I don't know how to feel about this -- in the MTP clip he linked, he doesn't really address Chuck Todd's question on whether the Clinton "brand" had become tainted, instead focusing on Trump. On one hand, to hell with Chuck Todd, but on the other, I honestly don't know if taking the diplomatic road w/r/t how badly Clinton blew it like an egg fart in an elevator is a bad idea. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
|
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2016 16:16
|
|
|
It took less than a week for the cspam election thread to go back to unironic "hillary is actually good" and "all men are misogynists" so i'm not sure if this rebuilding thing is going to work out exactly as planned lol
|
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2016 16:18
|
|
|
HannibalBarca posted:
I mean I actually don't disagree with the idea that a Clinton v Trump campaign was a best-case scenario for Clinton Just, y'know, not for anyone else e: actually this is Pre-Election Thinking on my part, any of the other GOP candidates apart from possibly Cruz would have lacked Trump's populist/"populist" appeal and it would have been a more traditional-style election which Clinton would have had a decent shot at
|
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2016 16:20
|
|
|
Just saying, once more - if you can, attend your local meetings. It will be about ten thousand times more meaningful than an email or letter, and a thousand times more meaningful than a phone call. These meetings actually matter - and stay afterwards and talk to the staffers and come back with info for us on how to get more involved in the future. Zo posted:It took less than a week for the cspam election thread to go back to unironic "hillary is actually good" and "all men are misogynists" so i'm not sure if this rebuilding thing is going to work out exactly as planned lol And this is with all the Hill toxxers banned? Actually I suppose most of them bought back their accounts by now... ugh.
|
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2016 16:21
|
|
|
Venom Snake posted:tbf Bernie said he would work with trump on infrastructure so this could just be posturing yeah i think its posturing to be able to say "hey this guy didnt do anything he promised"
|
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2016 16:28
|
|
|
HannibalBarca posted:
Didn't some of the emails from Podesta show that they encouraged the media to treat Trump seriously in order to make Rubio and others take more extreme positions and weaken them for the general?
|
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2016 16:28
|
|
|
Gene Hackman Fan posted:Tim Canova ain't too big on Ellison for DNC chair. If we're too worried about "WHAT ABOUT THE CLINTONS  ", then we're learning nothing.The other thing is it could very well be Canova trying to get back at Bernie for effectively abandoning him and letting DWS win her seat again. Who the gently caress knows. iospace has issued a correction as of 16:33 on Nov 14, 2016 |
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2016 16:29
|
|
|
iospace posted:https://twitter.com/HeerJeet/status/798027270803705856 This is very good stuff. How though? How do we keep the "pressure" on this lovely coalition? I'm not a reporter, so I'll never get to ask a question in an interview or at a press conference. Is this a thing we could actually use twitter for? What if I/we false-frog attack (I'm extremely great for inventing the term false-frog attack) and make a shitload of pepe twitters that inundate Paul Ryan and Reince with terrible Bannon poo poo or vice versa?
|
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2016 16:29
|
|
|
crazy cloud posted:This is very good stuff. How though? How do we keep the "pressure" on this lovely coalition? I'm not a reporter, so I'll never get to ask a question in an interview or at a press conference. Yeah, this is the problem. Neither will they.
|
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2016 16:38
|
|
|
So, let's go to Florida and try and help out...  Any tips?
|
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2016 16:38
|
|
|
Thoguh posted:Didn't some of the emails from Podesta show that they encouraged the media to treat Trump seriously in order to make Rubio and others take more extreme positions and weaken them for the general? Yes and Bill Clinton called trump several times before the primaries to help him organize. The clintons are life long friends of donald trump and set this up to be an easy win for their selves then after running "a perfect campaign" hosed it up.
|
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2016 16:41
|
|
|
Call and email
|
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2016 16:41
|
|
|
temple posted:My point was that boo-hoo'ing about dem politicians is missing the bigger picture and griping about the fact that people aren't perfect. No, no it isn't. They took the reigns and steered us off a cliff. They failed the left in our country's dire hour of need. They need to be replaced. They don't deserve a second chance because they're trying their best and their hearts are in the right place or whatever. I won't accept this line of apologia. And I loving knew this "Won't somebody please think of the poor DWS faction?" would pop up before long. quote:Dems are inept but professionals of all classes have inept people, dems flaws are more public. This is really pathetic playing the victim. Republican flaws aren't exactly a national secret.
|
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2016 16:42
|
|
|
Abrasive Obelisk posted:So, let's go to Florida and try and help out... FL is reaaaaally hosed right now (like more so than usual) so this is unsurprising. When I start college again (Orlando) ill be working with the college dems there.
|
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2016 16:43
|
|
|
Mr. Jive posted:This is really pathetic playing the victim. Republican flaws aren't exactly a national secret. It is and isn't. How long did Clinton's poo poo stay in the public eye vs say Trump's? If they both did the same thing, how come Clinton's actions got 9001 more coverage than Trump's? Republicans always seem to be caught in scandals, but they never seem to face any punishment for it. e: this isn't a defense of Clinton's actions in so far as "if she did/didn't do this, we would have won", it's the fact that RWM knows how to keep scandals alive and LWM/MSM pretty much only covers them until the clicks stop. e2: this year that effectiveness showed its worth. They successfully demonized Clinton to the point where everything was a scandal for her. Everything. I think it's time we fight fire with fire, personally. iospace has issued a correction as of 16:49 on Nov 14, 2016 |
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2016 16:44
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/798184450895081474
|
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2016 16:45
|
|
|
I wish I could start a liberal InfoWars (OK, no I don't) to convince people that Russia and China colluded to sabotage the election so that we'd try to renegotiate on trade deals and that they're going to team up to make the US side of the deals far worse and then buy up all of our debt in the ensuing recession.
|
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2016 16:49
|
|
|
So ... Are local dem meetings confined to town/city residents only? Took a look at RI's democratic meeting schedule and it seems like every town holds them except for the loving capital city ... How do i get involved locally when my own locale doesn't even host meetings???
|
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2016 16:52
|
|
|
iospace posted:How long did Clinton's poo poo stay in the public eye vs say Trump's? If they both did the same thing, how come Clinton's actions got 9001 more coverage than Trump's? I hope someone can quantify this someday but Trump wasn't given a free pass at all. He made so many gaffes and scandals that people stopped caring. Recall that Dean Banquet, executive editor of the NYT, publicly said he would be willing to face jail time for publishing Trump's tax returns in order to sink his campaign.
|
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2016 16:53
|
|
|
iospace posted:If we're too worried about "WHAT ABOUT THE CLINTONS Good point. There'll be enough time for pissing on the Clinton legacy once the progressives have taken over.
|
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2016 16:54
|
|
|
Venom Snake posted:FL is reaaaaally hosed right now (like more so than usual) so this is unsurprising. When I start college again (Orlando) ill be working with the college dems there. What can I do now, besides calling my Representative and Senator? Try to angle for an internship?
|
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2016 16:55
|
|
|
tadashi posted:I wish I could start a liberal InfoWars (OK, no I don't) to convince people that Russia and China colluded to sabotage the election You don't have to, that was the official party line of the DNC. The Obama administration formally accused Russia of interfering. It was a centerpiece of Clinton's third debate.
|
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2016 16:55
|
|
|
Losing the election against Donald Trump should probably count as identity fraud considering Clinton built herself up as a tough, competent ur-stateswoman but it turned out she was just a cowardly, disorganized political science nerd instead. 
|
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2016 17:00
|
|
|
Venom Snake posted:FL is reaaaaally hosed right now (like more so than usual) so this is unsurprising. When I start college again (Orlando) ill be working with the college dems there. Yo lets get connected Im in Orlando Email me at mike.clarke7788@gmail.com
|
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2016 17:01
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/CBSEveningNews/status/798188746067808257Abrasive Obelisk posted:What can I do now, besides calling my Representative and Senator? Try to angle for an internship? Calling (local) offices is something. Internships/volunteering probably won't start up till the fires dim down a bit since it IS the first week after the election. Individually one person is just screaming into the avoid. But when you have a LOT of people making it clear what they want (which seems to be team Sanders strategy) then stuff really starts moving. In the mean time Id look up local advocacy groups that might need help. Protests are fun to! The most important time to get out and work IMO will be when the progressives finally raise the flag above the DNC.
|
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2016 17:01
|
|
|
I emailed both the Chair and Vice Chair of the Virginia Democratic Party to advocate for Ellison as DNC Chair. I tried to call them, because apparently calling is often more effective. Well their number went straight to some weird generic voicemail, so whatevs. I'm also considering emailing/calling my senators (including perpetual stepdad Kaine) to ask them what steps they're taking to push back against any of Trump's draconian deportation orders. Might call the governor's office for good measure? I dunno, I just feel like I should do something!
|
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2016 17:02
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/798192678785716224 yeah he's mad
|
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2016 17:02
|
|
|
Mr. Jive posted:I hope someone can quantify this someday but Trump wasn't given a free pass at all. He made so many gaffes and scandals that people stopped caring. I think that's the biggest  for me, is that if anyone should know that scandals have a diminishing return on their impact, it would be the loving Clintons
|
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2016 17:03
|
|
|
i agree with bernie and all and am heavily involved with the draft keith campaign. but explicitly saying white working class instead of working class is not going to go down well with some of the people we need to win over in the democratic coalition
|
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2016 17:06
|
|
|
Mr. Jive posted:I hope someone can quantify this someday but Trump wasn't given a free pass at all. He made so many gaffes and scandals that people stopped caring. Also the Clinton camp had a talent for needlessly drawing stuff as they attempted to minimize it. How many times over the past year did something come out and Hillary first denied it and then eventually had to admit to whatever it was but went on the offensive to claim it wasn't a big deal. Hell, look at the Donna Brazile giving her questions thing. That was needlessly drawn out and the fact that they were caught lieing about it just reinforced all the negative beliefs people have about Hillary.
|
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2016 17:06
|
|
|
Phi230 posted:Yo lets get connected Im in Orlando I live in South Florida, but I'd love to help any way I can, email me at abrasiveobelisk@gmail.com
|
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2016 17:06
|
|
|
Trump's scandals didn't hurt him (or at least, doom him) because he wasn't running a campaign built on the illusion of decency. Hillary was; being absolutely obsessed with making this election a referendum on decency when a large swathe of America is legitimately angry and scared was, in a word, ridiculous.
|
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2016 17:07
|
|
|
CherryCola posted:I emailed both the Chair and Vice Chair of the Virginia Democratic Party to advocate for Ellison as DNC Chair. I tried to call them, because apparently calling is often more effective. Well their number went straight to some weird generic voicemail, so whatevs. I'm also considering emailing/calling my senators (including perpetual stepdad Kaine) to ask them what steps they're taking to push back against any of Trump's draconian deportation orders. I'm praying Tim doesn't resist the progressive take over. Thank you for your efforts. The more people doing this the more likely they sober up instead of moping in their own misery and the party needs VA solid blue now more than ever.
|
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2016 17:07
|
|
|
Penisaurus Sex posted:Trump's scandals didn't hurt him (or at least, doom him) because he wasn't running a campaign built on the illusion of decency. Hillary was; being absolutely obsessed with making this election a referendum on decency when a large swathe of America is legitimately angry and scared was, in a word, ridiculous. Yeah this is more concisely my thoughts. I had this weird feeling after the Trump slanders a war vet scandal was quickly followed by the Trump yells at a baby scandal.
|
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2016 17:09
|
|
|
Phi230 posted:Yo lets get connected Im in Orlando Ill be down in Orlando around mid December but if I hear anything I'll make sure you know. The college dems at UCF unironically had there poo poo together and are massive bernie supporters. I'm looking forward to doing stuff with them.
|
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2016 17:12
|
|
|
Zikan posted:i agree with bernie and all and am heavily involved with the draft keith campaign. If you have any material for me feel free to post it/PM it to me so I can put it in the OP. Your doing gods work my friend.
|
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2016 17:14
|
|
|
Clinton got more scandal coverage only in the sense that they proportionally got more coverage compared to how much they were really scandals. The loving emails kept coming back like herpes and poor it practice was being put side by side with breaking the Cuba embargo.
|
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2016 17:14
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 24, 2024 17:12 |
|
|
Zikan posted:i agree with bernie and all and am heavily involved with the draft keith campaign. it's notable because specifically the white working class was his strongest base of support in the primaries, which shills everywhere used to call him a racist and then that whole group decided the election when they stayed home or crossed over to Trump (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
|
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2016 17:16
|
|
