docbeard posted:

Can you imagine what would actually happen if a major faithless elector incident actually reversed the election results? No one would accept the legitimacy of the results (though it'd be kind of funny watching Trump argue that he should be president in spite of having won neither the electoral college vote nor the popular vote).

Like, the part of me that likes train wrecks would love to see this happen, but the part of me that likes a vaguely functioning democracy...well, all right, that part of me won't be satisfied no matter what.

Not that it will happen anyway.

Turdfuzz posted:

AAAAARRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo

NofrikinfuN posted:

I realize it is purely anecdotal, but as a rural white guy who voted Bernie, then Clinton, part of my argument for her weakness as a candidate was that republicans poisoned the well on her 20 years ago.

In my area, her opposition wasn't based on policy and email/corruption was mostly an afterthought. They established they vehemently disliked Clinton before they had even become politically active. The Texan Ag official wasn't the only one dropping the C word, let me tell you.

The lesson from the primary should have been that there was a viable candidate that didn't have the kind of baggage Clinton did, appealed to independents and energized young voters. Regardless of her capabilities as a politician, she and her staff snuffed out the very thing they needed most in the election.

If nothing else, the next primaries need to be open to independents in every state and special weight needs to be given to the candidate who performs best in swing states.

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docbeard posted:

Can you imagine what would actually happen if a major faithless elector incident actually reversed the election results? No one would accept the legitimacy of the results (though it'd be kind of funny watching Trump argue that he should be president in spite of having won neither the electoral college vote nor the popular vote).

Like, the part of me that likes train wrecks would love to see this happen, but the part of me that likes a vaguely functioning democracy...well, all right, that part of me won't be satisfied no matter what.

Not that it will happen anyway.

Nichael posted:

What? I'm very skeptical about laying the blame solely on Clinton. I honestly think she was too good for this loving nation, and I say that as someone who voted Sanders in the primary. Her only fault was her lack of circus-like energy, and the only reason that's a "fault" is because American voters are too braindead to react to anything but an orange clown babby.

Turdfuzz posted:

Perfectly Safe posted:

I'm rather with you on this one. I'm not a huge Hillary fan, never have been, but the US electorate had a decision easier than "should I dip my genitals into this bucket of battery acid?" and managed to gently caress it up. She was perfectly qualified, the criticisms that can be made of her campaign are minor, and on principle and as a matter of fact the actual choice of president is down to the people, not the nominees. And we're now in a position where we literally can't even usefully speculate what's going to happen. You'd think that we might hope for Trump just being wholly unprepared to do anything of note, but even that indicates that we'll get all manner of evil poo poo coming out of the GOP and Putin making some interesting geopolitical moves. Sooo.

But I feel less embarrassed about that whole Brexit business now, so there's that.

Beet Wagon posted:

Anybody betting against American voters being stupid and reactionary just gets a lol honestly. Just lol