Nevvy Z posted:

Based on?

withak posted:

Donald Trump had no idea what the president's job actually consists of, and his staff didn't realize that they actually had to hire everyone who would be working in the west wing because the current presidential staff would not be staying on. Barack Obama takes pity on the president-elect and will be doing some additional hand-holding during the transition.

Main Paineframe posted:

He's a black Muslim progressive who was first elected in 2008 and backed Bernie for president. People are really excited about him because he ticks the "progressive appeal", "minority appeal", "young people appeal", and "anti DNC establishment appeal" check boxes, so the Dems can go ahead and take all those demographics completely for granted and focus all their policy and messaging efforts on winning over the middle-aged white lower-middle class instead.

Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike Ellison. But I'd feel a lot better if anyone even seemed to care what his vision for party fundraising and strategy is beyond "he's a progressive Bernie supporter", or if he was actively expressing interest himself rather than being appointed by all the party insiders. Right now, the push for Ellison as DNC chair brings to mind thoughts of Michael Steele, and that's pretty concerning.

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Rural voters don't have good schools, they don't have job prospects, there's a heroin epidemic ravaging them, and it's impossible to reach them on any of those because they would rather blame it all on black people and immigrants than accept hard truths. It's not that the Dems don't want to help them. It's that they reject every plan the Dems offer up because they don't like any of the real solutions to their problems - the narrative of "well, all your problems are due to those outsiders and foreigners and when we get rid of then all your problems will magically disappear" is just plain more convenient to them than the truth is. Sure, the truth is a lovely message. But what the hell is the alternative? The rural working class doesn't want retraining, they don't want welfare, they don't want subsidies, and they don't want guaranteed income. They've stood by and done nothing while Republican governors and legislatures axed Dem infrastructure projects and squeezed unions to death. The rural working class has only themselves to blame for their predicament, and while that's not a politically useful observation, it's extremely hard to help people who actively reject and fight against any attempt to help them.

Toph Bei Fong posted:

Business Gorillas posted:

Check this out

*lowers sunglasses*

You're doing the bougeroisie's work for them by trying to find working class scapegoats and dividing on racial lines

*does a sick kickflip while skateboarding away*

thechosenone posted:

I honestly don't feel like the economy is that good, despite what people say that numbers say. The first step in making things better is admitting that things aren't how we want them to be.

Martin Random posted:

You are a good loving poster who has been significantly correct on your calls and you deserve more respect from the thread. I just felt the need to say this. The whole loving wild way you were on point about Hilary, millennials, and the working class divide. That deserves recognition and everyone should take note.

boner confessor posted:

is this another one of your epic fakeposts because it seems a little short

Scent of Worf posted:

And actually this election has opened my eyes. I'm actually kind of glad Trump became president. Now it's going to be survival of the fittest. No more coasting on neoliberal policies and thinking you can just ignore 90% of the country.

Lightning Knight posted:

The Clinton Foundation did receive money from a Saudi prince, yes, and yet Hillary didn't run on a platform that was any more pro-Saudi interests than any other American politician and was still running on a platform that was pro-women's and LGBT rights. The conceptual leap required to establish quid pro quo is baseless because there's no proof it made a difference in her actions.

icantfindaname posted:

taking money from gulf oil barons looks loving awful, even if there is no smoking gun. why are people still defending Hillary on this poo poo?

eviltastic posted:

If Trump is realizing he's in way over his head and is leaning on Obama, that's...surprisingly good news. Like, the situation is still horrifying. But if Obama somehow stays on the short list of people Trump goes to when he finds himself without a clue, which I assume will be happening on a regular basis, that might really mean something in terms of mitigating the disaster.

Scent of Worf posted:

And actually this election has opened my eyes. I'm actually kind of glad Trump became president. Now it's going to be survival of the fittest. No more coasting on neoliberal policies and thinking you can just ignore 90% of the country.

Lightning Knight posted:

I feel like this isn't going to go the way you want it to go when AG Rudy implements national stop and frisk and every R state implements harsher and harsher voter suppression.

My Linux Rig posted:

Same here. I didn't really realize why people were going to him in droves while trying their hardest to explain away why trumps racism or radicalism wasn't going to be that bad. They're gambling on what blowing up the status quo might do.

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That's fine with me. Too many people out there concerned with what's happening in their neighborhoods and don't do anything to better themselves. Too many lazy people out there who can't go out and vote once every 2-4 years.

I live in a blue state and am moving to a very blue big city soon. I've never had problems with cops and I never will.

Trump is going to be a wakeup call for a lot of people. If you can't make t in this new world you are literally going to die..

Lightning Knight posted:

We've won the popular vote twice but lost the Presidency. 2000 and 2016.

thechosenone posted:

Do we really need money from groups that run at cross purposes from us? it appears that the quality of a candidate and consistency are more valuable than whatever dubious advantage money has. We get enough money to get what we need, and any further money is just tying us up with folks who make it harder to show where our loyalties lie.

Guy Goodbody posted:

Three times. Learn your history, friend. smdh

Scent of Worf posted:

And actually this election has opened my eyes. I'm actually kind of glad Trump became president. Now it's going to be survival of the fittest. No more coasting on neoliberal policies and thinking you can just ignore 90% of the country.

boner confessor posted:

is this another one of your epic fakeposts because it seems a little short

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Representative Hensarling (R-TX) has already spoken to Vice President-elect Pence about hitting the ground running in the new legislative session. Hensarling says that Pence informed him that President-elect Trump had already given him assurances that he would give Pence a wide latitude to set the policy agenda; including staffing decisions and drafting executive actions to promote religious liberty and pro-life health measures.

Martin Random posted:

I'm sorry did you correctly and precisely articulate the views that decided the last election for many months because I must have missed that.

Martin Random posted:

I'm sorry did you correctly and precisely articulate the views that decided the last election for many months because I must have missed that.

thechosenone posted:

Do we really need money from groups that run at cross purposes from us? it appears that the quality of a candidate and consistency are more valuable than whatever dubious advantage money has. We get enough money to get what we need, and any further money is just tying us up with folks who make it harder to show where our loyalties lie.

Lightning Knight posted:

You might be a sociopath. Just a bit.

icantfindaname posted:

Unfortunately it seems Dems actually have to get white people from flyover country who aren't Fully Woke critical theory majors to vote for them if they don't want this poo poo to keep happening


taking money from gulf oil barons looks loving awful, even if there is no smoking gun. why are people still defending Hillary on this poo poo?

boner confessor posted:

fanning internet grudge matches about bernie sanders long past the point of tedium decided the election i knew social media was more important this election but jeez

Martin Random posted:

I'm going to ignore the guy who pointed out the problems with Hilary's candidacy that actually lost her the election and can inform us moving forward because I'm still butt hurt about Berniebros and the primary.

Condiv posted:

why are you doing that?

icantfindaname posted:

Unfortunately it seems Dems actually have to get white people from flyover country who aren't Fully Woke critical theory majors to vote for them if they don't want this poo poo to keep happening

boner confessor posted:

"ugh could this party that consistently pushes for minimum wage increases ignore wage stagnation any harder?"