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Yeah I don't care at all about renaming cities and have literally never done it (even when it was an achievement in V), but the lack of a sentry option is truly baffling. I understand getting rid of doomstacks, I understand districts. I do not see any gameplay reason for ditching sentry whatsoever.
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I think I'm at the point where I am going to cool it on Civ (60 hours played) until they at least patch it or maybe until the next expansion. Like, if they add in the build queue and fix the trade route/espionage interfaces I will feel more confident they know what they're doing.
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:I think I'm at the point where I am going to cool it on Civ (60 hours played) until they at least patch it or maybe until the next expansion. It took me a while, but I now feel relatively comfortable with espionage. There needs to be a way to look at the list of cities in the trade UI and know which ones already have traders headed there. I'm trying to establish trading posts everywhere, dammit. Also, make it clearer where there are and are not roads.
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:I think I'm at the point where I am going to cool it on Civ (60 hours played) until they at least patch it or maybe until the next expansion. There are mods on civfanatics for trade route screen fixes (allows you to sort by whatever resource you like), which works quite well, there is also one for a production queue, but I haven't personally tried it.
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prefect posted:It took me a while, but I now feel relatively comfortable with espionage. There needs to be a way to look at the list of cities in the trade UI and know which ones already have traders headed there. I'm trying to establish trading posts everywhere, dammit. Also, make it clearer where there are and are not roads. I honestly wouldn't mind the fact that it takes three clicks to set a spy to do the same exact counterspy mission, or even the fact that you have to do it every 4 turns, but combined it is just the loving worst
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Nov 14, 2016 18:36
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Is there a mod available that increases the number of strategic resources in the game? And has anyone tried it to see if that helps the AI? It's really tough to play with 6 or more Civs because the resources are so scarce. And unless you have an encampment, you need 2 of each to build the proper units in a city. Now I understand making things like Uranium scarce, but isn't aluminum one of the most abundant elements on the planet? 2 of the 7 remaining Civs in my game had access to it near the end. TyrantWD posted:They should tie it into the trade system where you win by having your corporation's exports reach a trigger point. That would also make international trade routes useful - I don't think I've run external trade routes outside of a game I played as Russia. Don't international trade routes boost tourism for your Civ in the game?
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Nov 14, 2016 18:38
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Niwrad posted:Is there a mod available that increases the number of strategic resources in the game? And has anyone tried it to see if that helps the AI? It's really tough to play with 6 or more Civs because the resources are so scarce. And unless you have an encampment, you need 2 of each to build the proper units in a city. Now I understand making things like Uranium scarce, but isn't aluminum one of the most abundant elements on the planet? 2 of the 7 remaining Civs in my game had access to it near the end. There is no indication of this. Most of tourism is a mystery.
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Niwrad posted:Is there a mod available that increases the number of strategic resources in the game? And has anyone tried it to see if that helps the AI? It's really tough to play with 6 or more Civs because the resources are so scarce. And unless you have an encampment, you need 2 of each to build the proper units in a city. Now I understand making things like Uranium scarce, but isn't aluminum one of the most abundant elements on the planet? 2 of the 7 remaining Civs in my game had access to it near the end. Yes, but +X% of (????) doesn't really give a clear idea of how much you are helping with that trade route. With V's cultural victory I had a clear sense of how I was generating tourism, and which civs were going to be the major holdouts that I needed to target with diplomacy and Great Musicians. Every time I look at VI's tourism screen all the civs appear roughly the same and the screen has no useful information. So I just build the suitcase things and wait The Human Crouton posted:There is no indication of this. Most of tourism is a mystery. You can see the trade route / open border effects by hovering over the civ in the tourism screen. Why this is a tooltip when it's a super-important piece of information (V had a separate column for this) is a mystery, just like the actual tourism mechanics
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:I honestly wouldn't mind the fact that it takes three clicks to set a spy to do the same exact counterspy mission, or even the fact that you have to do it every 4 turns, but combined it is just the loving worst Okay, this I can get behind. Just "counterspy until I tell you to do something else" would be plenty.
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Nov 14, 2016 18:51
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John F Bennett posted:Religion should just be a passive thing. Let your religion spread naturally,. With religious pressure that you can manipulate with buildings and wonders. It looks like you don't like to manage stuff. I think religious business its a nice addition and adds depth to the game. PS: Just lost a Space victory on Immortal 6player, I was SIX turns short. Silly spies failed 3 missions in a row 
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Nov 14, 2016 19:05
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Yes, but +X% of (????) doesn't really give a clear idea of how much you are helping with that trade route. With V's cultural victory I had a clear sense of how I was generating tourism, and which civs were going to be the major holdouts that I needed to target with diplomacy and Great Musicians. Yeah I have no clue how any of it's calculated. It does show the 25% bonus for a trade route though and the -50% on religious tourism once you hit the enlightenment apparently. Has anyone actually gotten a relic yet? Do I just wait around for someone to kill my apostle?
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Nov 14, 2016 19:10
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You can also get relics from tribal villages.
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...and archaeological sites
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:You can also get relics from tribal villages. "How did these barbarians get Jesus's foreskin?"
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Efexeye posted:...and archaeological sites Nope, relics only come from martyred apostles and villages.
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Relics are one of the more rear end-backwards mechanics in the game. What is their point - some weird religious / cultural cross pollination that requires you to play towards one victory condition empirically poorly in order to marginally improve another victory condition?
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prefect posted:Okay, this I can get behind. Just "counterspy until I tell you to do something else" would be plenty. Or until they level up. The promotions are foreign spying-centered. I liked that spies would start out as counter-spies, learn a trick, and then go out into the world as specialists. Having them keep going until they get caught, successfully do a heist, level up, or get moved around by me would make it a pretty fun system.
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Kanfy posted:Nope, relics only come from martyred apostles and villages. I guarantee I have gotten relics from archaelogical dig sites
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homullus posted:Or until they level up. The promotions are foreign spying-centered. I liked that spies would start out as counter-spies, learn a trick, and then go out into the world as specialists. Having them keep going until they get caught, successfully do a heist, level up, or get moved around by me would make it a pretty fun system. I keep sending spies out to steal things from other countries, they learn how to do stuff that's better back home, and then I have to shuffle everybody. (Congratulations on stealing all that money! You are now the quartermaster and can never leave home again.)
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Efexeye posted:I guarantee I have gotten relics from archaelogical dig sites I can't say I've ever seen anyone get one from an antiquity site nor are they listed as a possible yield from them anywhere in-game or in the manual. Unless you hit some strange bug I haven't seen mentioned anywhere, you're probably confusing them with normal Artifacts.
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When it asks which artifact I want, does it matter? Is there a theming bonus for grabbing artifacts from one civilization?
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Niwrad posted:When it asks which artifact I want, does it matter? Is there a theming bonus for grabbing artifacts from one civilization? The theming bonus is for artifacts all of the same era but from different civilizations. Unless you're England, who automatically gets the theming bonus once their XL-sized museum is full with any type of garbage
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Niwrad posted:When it asks which artifact I want, does it matter? Is there a theming bonus for grabbing artifacts from one civilization? So far it seems like the theming bonuses are all "same era/type, different civs/artists", so pretty much choose whatever is not your civ's artifact if you have a choice.
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This is actually pretty neat. Stealing Great works is awesome. There should also be an option to sabotage/destroy great works but it only works if you are currently leading the culture/tourism wars, think of it as rewriting history. That way it gives civs going for the cultural victory a method of staying ahead without just straight up going to war. Additionally if you are behind, you can steal enough great works to get ahead, then start rewriting history 
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Kanfy posted:I can't say I've ever seen anyone get one from an antiquity site nor are they listed as a possible yield from them anywhere in-game or in the manual. Unless you hit some strange bug I haven't seen mentioned anywhere, you're probably confusing them with normal Artifacts. i specifically remember digging up a monk's toe
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Powercrazy posted:This is actually pretty neat. Stealing Great works is awesome. There should also be an option to sabotage/destroy great works but it only works if you are currently leading the culture/tourism wars, think of it as rewriting history. That way it gives civs going for the cultural victory a method of staying ahead without just straight up going to war. Additionally if you are behind, you can steal enough great works to get ahead, then start rewriting history There are a lot of really cool dimenions added to Civ VI, even though some are still half-baked. The more I play VI and the more I hear what people miss about IV, I think what it boils down to is that IV was a more ideal multiplayer game while V and VI took the series to a deeper and more true civilization (lower case intentional) experience. IV was the peak of the series in terms of playing like a deep board game - faster-paced, lots of combat, minimal systems to distract from the core objectives. But V and VI definitely blow IV out of the water in terms of being a civilization simulation.
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What do you mean civilization simulation? I hope you aren't talking about any kind of reference to the real world beyond possible some names.
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I've played super-passively in my current game, only using violence when somebody else attacks me and all the other civs STILL hate my guts and are forever yanking me into the diplomacy screen to whine and bitch at me. Next game, I'm gonna immediately declare war whenever someone denounces me, just to teach them a loving lesson.
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Tom Tucker posted:Relics are one of the more rear end-backwards mechanics in the game. What is their point - some weird religious / cultural cross pollination that requires you to play towards one victory condition empirically poorly in order to marginally improve another victory condition? It strikes me conceptually as religious rubberbanding mechanic, especially if you pick that tenet where you don't lose presence when you lose an apostle, as I sometimes do as Egypt, since I don't care to spread my religion to others. The scale is a bit small, but it wouldn't be the only half-baked thing around.
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Tom Tucker posted:Relics are one of the more rear end-backwards mechanics in the game. What is their point - some weird religious / cultural cross pollination that requires you to play towards one victory condition empirically poorly in order to marginally improve another victory condition? you can get relics from villages which is why kongo should lead with two scouts
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left hand: the AI should attack the player if it's got an overwhelming advantage right hand: at high difficulty levels the AI should get a lot of free warriors to keep it safe from barbarians and cheesy rushes synthesis: lol i hope you like going warrior slinger warrior every game
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Not sure how bad of an idea this is on Immortal and above (I've only played a few Immortal games so far), but I always seem to gravitate towards Scout Scout Builder Slinger Slinger Settler Builder Trader followed by more Settler spam until my initial territory is covered. The second city starts spamming archers and switches to builders after I'm at 5-6 archers. The double scout start is mostly just a leftover from Civ 5, but most of the time I get a decent number of goody huts and 2-3 early envoys to city states, so I guess it isn't all bad.
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Pistol_Pete posted:I've played super-passively in my current game, only using violence when somebody else attacks me and all the other civs STILL hate my guts and are forever yanking me into the diplomacy screen to whine and bitch at me. This is something that I think is an inherent dilemma in the AI. Do you want the AI to try to win the game, or do you want them to simulate relationships and react accordingly? Civ VI I think they actually made the AI more directly trying to win, but that means as soon as you take anything resembling a lead in any victory condition you are treated with disdain and the CPU starts marshaling its resources to knock you off your perch. I miss some of the previous Civ games where I had civ bros who would join up even if it meant killing their chance of winning. Like, play for 2nd place sometimes.
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What people actually want is an AI that you can understand and manipulate on the strategic level (diplomacy), but who plays competently on the tactical level (using units).
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Smol posted:Does Immortal+ AI ever not attack attack you before turn 100? In my current Immortal game I had a civ meet me and immediately declare a joint war against me with someone I hadn't met. This happened twice and we all had warriors.
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Aren't most multiplayer civ games basically over by the reinissance?
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Started a new game and met Egypt who then denounced me in a couple turns and Greece who declared war on me right after introducing themselves. Funnily the game bugged and showed my civilization declaring war on me as well. This is on Warlord. Egypt denounced me because I didn't have a big army. Greece as far as I could tell declared war on me because I haven't declared war on anyone. This new AI is bad.
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StashAugustine posted:Aren't most multiplayer civ games basically over by the reinissance? Civ games in general, in my experience
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I've had a deity game where nobody declared on me, but it was Island Plates and that's probably why. I happened to be a little out of the way and they all met and started killing each other before I even came on the scene. My only war was with France and I declared it because I was worried about them beating me in culture. Everyone still hated me like I killed their dog though.
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