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Vladimir Putin
Mar 17, 2007

by R. Guyovich
Is John Bolton really that much worse than Gingrich?

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mannerup
Jan 11, 2004

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deathbysnusnu
Feb 25, 2016


Vladimir Putin posted:

Is John Bolton really that much worse than Gingrich?

Depends on your thoughts regarding invading and occupying the entire middle east.

tadashi
Feb 20, 2006

deathbysnusnu posted:

Any possibility that Trump wrecks the economy right out the gate, the voters rightly blame him, and over the course of 2018 and 2020 they clean house? Will someone please soothe me with sweet little lies?

It will be hard. The latest economic numbers have been good indicators that we'll be better off in 2 years unless something awful happens?

Louisgod
Sep 25, 2003

Always Watching
Bread Liar

lol jesus christ, reminds me of this:

http://www.clickhole.com/article/it-turns-out-enough-you-have-googled-pikachu-breas-4327

deathbysnusnu
Feb 25, 2016


tadashi posted:

It will be hard. The latest economic numbers have been good indicators that we'll be better off in 2 years unless something awful happens?

Freedom caucus behind the wheel, debt ceiling not raised as symbolic gesture, markets crash worldwide, self dick shot. Of course we already have Hitler, all we need is the depression and someone to blame and it's historical reenactment time.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

deathbysnusnu posted:

Any possibility that Trump wrecks the economy right out the gate, the voters rightly blame him, and over the course of 2018 and 2020 they clean house? Will someone please soothe me with sweet little lies?

Not right out of the gate, no, but if he goes through the trade deal blustering he could tank us pretty bad yea and that'll kill him.


Vladimir Putin posted:

Is John Bolton really that much worse than Gingrich?

Christ yes. Bolton is a proud warmonger who openly talks about his disdain for just the basic concept of other countries existing. Gingrich is another plutocrat supporting rear end in a top hat like Trump who wants the world divided up into glorious capitalist enclaves to be bought and sold. At least with him there's a world to carve up, Bolton thinks might makes right and isn't afraid to back it up.

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

Vladimir Putin posted:

Is John Bolton really that much worse than Gingrich?

He once said that Honduras was bringing in extreme Islamic terrorists into the US by bringing them over the "Honduras-Mexican" border and then over the US-Mexican border. Notice how the former is in quotes and the later isn't? Look at a map.

Zikan
Feb 29, 2004

Vladimir Putin posted:

Is John Bolton really that much worse than Gingrich?

gingrich will damage all of our major alliances and recommend bombing countries

bolton's first response is sending in the marines

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Bolton was one of the main people responsible for the Iraq war. Maybe top 3.

RandomBlue
Dec 30, 2012

hay guys!


Biscuit Hider

tadashi posted:

you forgot "pro-Israel" which absolves him from all the anti-Semitic accusations.

I don't know what you're talking about, his people have worked in Hollywood and with bankers.

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/798265068857282560

a literal legion of doom brewing

deathbysnusnu
Feb 25, 2016


Tatum Girlparts posted:

Not right out of the gate, no, but if he goes through the trade deal blustering he could tank us pretty bad yea and that'll kill him.


Christ yes. Bolton is a proud warmonger who openly talks about his disdain for just the basic concept of other countries existing. Gingrich is another plutocrat supporting rear end in a top hat like Trump who wants the world divided up into glorious capitalist enclaves to be bought and sold. At least with him there's a world to carve up, Bolton thinks might makes right and isn't afraid to back it up.

I'm also thinking that Iran blockading the strait of Hormuz might be a bit of an incentive for markets to panic. Or maybe 25% tarifs on our two biggest trade partners happens, or maybe Russia over plays its hands on pushing NATO's buttons, or the aforementioned debt ceiling fuckery, or maybe deporting 3 million workers has adverse consequences. This is poo poo off the top of my head. Thank god I'm in my 30's, but man my parents are hosed.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Covok posted:

He once said that Honduras was bringing in extreme Islamic terrorists into the US by bringing them over the "Honduras-Mexican" border and then over the US-Mexican border. Notice how the former is in quotes and the later isn't? Look at a map.

Oh yea, and I'm almost positive Bolton can't name most other countries once he gets through North America, the UK islands, Russia, and China

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
Donald Trump to nominate Time-traveling Brain Damaged 14th Century Crusader for SecDef


Sheng-ji Yang posted:

also im a corncob for saying trump killed neoconservativism because lol bolton what the gently caress

It's honestly scarier than traditional neoconservativism tbh. Bolton is giga-dick cheney

Next-Gen
Sep 22, 2004

Ted Nugent is the next generation in Joint Combat soldiers



Montasque posted:

Sean Hannity: "We're not the alt-right! THEY ARE THE ALT-LEFT!"

i still maintain that spacebar nihilism is the only way to go

Agrajag
Jan 21, 2006

gat dang thats hot

euphronius posted:

Well being putins puppet means war with Iran probably off

That's a good thing . Putin is more peaceful and sane than some other people would could run the USA.

Tell that to the people of Ukraine and Georgia

Fidel Castronaut
Dec 25, 2004

Houston, we're Havana problem.
When does the market start taking a poo poo because this dumb country probably won't care until then.

The Nastier Nate
May 22, 2005

All aboard the corona bus!

HONK! HONK!


Yams Fan

Obama always looks a little defeated, but watching him now, I can hear the voice inside his head saying "fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck :sigh: "

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

His name is Hamm

Jabronie
Jun 4, 2011

In an investigation, details matter.

going full Hamm

Fidel Castronaut
Dec 25, 2004

Houston, we're Havana problem.

euphronius posted:

Bolton was one of the main people responsible for the Iraq war. Maybe top 3.

That cannot be true because Trump was against the Iraq war, so of course he would never hire somebody who was crucial to its inception.

mormonpartyboat
Jan 14, 2015

by Reene

Vladimir Putin posted:

Is John Bolton really that much worse than Gingrich?

http://www.counterpunch.org/2005/04/25/john-bolton-the-undiplomatic-diplomat/ (from 2005)

quote:

Bolton’s diplomatic skills were much in evidence when on July 31, two days after North Korea had agreed to U.S. demands that it participate in multilateral talks on its nuclear program, he told a South Korean audience that North Korea was a “hellish nightmare” ruled by a “tyrannical leader.” Pyongyang replied reasonably that it would not attend talks if Bolton (a “blood-sucker” and “human scum”) represented the U.S. No matter. As Vice President Cheney, Bolton’s chief patron, has said of the administration, “We don’t negotiate with evil; we defeat it.”

In the last week or so Bolton’s personal bullying has weakened his prospects for Congressional approval as ambassador to the United Nations, an organization he once disparaged in a speech to a World Federalists audience. “There are 38 floors to the U.N. building in New York. If you lost 10 of them, it wouldn’t make a bit of difference.” That comment’s come back to haunt him, I suspect in part because it conjures up a mental image of planes crashing into the UN headquarters in New York. The extraordinary unilateralism of Bush policy, and incessant gripes about the UN’s failure to meet its “international responsibilities” (to rubber-stamp U.S. imperialism) suggests that Bolton’s nomination might indeed be intended to smite the international body bringing it down like the walls of Jericho.

Others past statements haunt him too. He allegedly screamed “You’re fired,” at his subordinate Lynne D. Finney when they both worked in the General Counsel’s Office of the Agency for International Development in the 1980s. Why? Because she’d refused to try to persuade World Health Organization delegates to weaken restrictions on the marketing of infant formula in the developing world that would in her judgment cause product misuse and infant deaths. As she tells it, Bolton shouted that “Nestle was an important company and that he was giving me a direct order from President Reagan.” Turned out that he was lying about Reagan and the top USAID administrator allowed her to keep her post.

In 1994 Bolton went berserk when another USAID worker, Melody Townsel, reported to her superiors that a contractor for an AID project in Kyrgystan was performing poorly. Bolton, then legal counsel for the contractor, “proceeded” in her words “to chase me through the halls of a Russian hotel — throwing things at me, shoving threatening letters under my door and, generally, behaving like a madman.” She says that he kept pounding on her hotel door for two weeks shouting threats, making her life a “hell.” (You know, like North Korea.) Despite Bolton’s efforts to smear her as a felon headed for jail time, and to label her a lesbian, she kept her job and won promotion.

Then, to return to where I started, there was the matter of those Cuban bioterror weapons. Carl W. Ford Jr., the former director of the State Department’s Bureau of Intelligence and Research at the State Department (which by the way, concluded that Iraq did not have WMD threatening the world) has told Congress that the bureau’s chief bioweapons analyst Christian Westermann questioned Bolton’s assessment of Cuba’s weapons programs.

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
wait trump bad???? I thought just hillary bad

Beachcomber
May 21, 2007

Another day in paradise.


Slippery Tilde

I've never heard of this guy, but he looks like his name.

Zikan
Feb 29, 2004

In The Grim Darkness Of The Trump Administration There Is Only War

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
Remember when Trump was supposed to be a non-interventionist who wanted to stay out of the worlds problems.

Agrajag
Jan 21, 2006

gat dang thats hot

dude were not all air traffic controllers

mormonpartyboat
Jan 14, 2015

by Reene

Al! posted:

wait trump bad???? I thought just hillary bad

both sides are bad :c00l::c00l:

:c00l::c00l: so vote trump :c00l::c00l::c00l::c00l:

pathetic little tramp
Dec 12, 2005

by Hillary Clinton's assassins
Fallen Rib
lol fuckfuckfuck damedia

https://twitter.com/HotlineJosh/status/798256138496200706

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004

https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/798268922529071104

Beachcomber
May 21, 2007

Another day in paradise.


Slippery Tilde

Zikan posted:

In The Grim Darkness Of The Trump Administration There Is Only War

Maybe this was his plan to fix the economy all along. Get rid of the human surplus and build missile factories.

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

what's wrong(er) with Gingrich?

tadashi
Feb 20, 2006

Agrajag posted:

dude were not all air traffic controllers

I think it's flight interruptions for Air Trump One.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038



:same:

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!

War were declared

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

Venom Snake posted:

Remember when Trump was supposed to be a non-interventionist who wanted to stay out of the worlds problems.

Well, I mean, we'll eventually be able to ignore the problems of the rest of the world when there is no more rest of the world.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Venom Snake posted:

Remember when Trump was supposed to be a non-interventionist who wanted to stay out of the worlds problems.

that was my favorite bullshit narrative, I think.

"Ok sure he said 'bomb the oil, take the oil', and sure he said he'd murder suspected terrorist families and we should conduct surprise attacks like some kinda barbarian horde, and he said we should torture as much as possible, but he clearly won't be interventionist because he said the iraq war was bad!"

Plinkey
Aug 4, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Fidel Castronaut posted:

When does the market start taking a poo poo because this dumb country probably won't care until then.

inauguration day, or like 2 days after.

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Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014



Socialism or Barbarism

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